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Madison Shocker: Senate Passes Bill Limiting Collective Bargaining

Even with Democrats out of state, Republicans get modified budget repair bill passed Wednesday.

In a stunning move, the state Senate Wednesday night passed a revised version of Gov. Scott Walker's budget repair bill - without Democratic senators returning to vote on the measure.

Sen. Dale Schultz, R-Richland Center, cast the lone vote in dissent of the bill. The Democratic senators remained in Illinois and did not vote on the bill, which strips public unions' rights to collectively bargain for benefits.

For weeks, Senate Democrats have remained out of state to block a vote on the controversial measure. However, Republicans on Wednesday modified the bill so that it only needed a simple majority to pass — not the 20 votes that the original bill required.

The revised measure was approved by an 18-1 vote.

The bill is expected to be voted on by the GOP-controlled Assembly on Thursday. If approved, it would eliminate collective bargaining rights for most public employees and would require them to pay more of their health care and pension costs.

“The Senate Democrats have had three weeks to debate this bill and were offered repeated opportunities to come home, which they refused,” Walker said in a statement. “In order to move the state forward, I applaud the Legislature’s action today to stand up to the status quo and take a step in the right direction to balance the budget and reform government. The action today will help ensure Wisconsin has a business climate that allows the private sector to create 250,000 new jobs.”

The bill’s passage quickly drew the criticism of Senate Minority Leader Mark Miller, D-Monona, who issued a statement say that in 30 minutes, the 18 Republican senators who voted for the bill undid 50 years of civil rights in Wisconsin.

 “Their disrespect for the people of Wisconsin and their rights is an outrage that will never be forgotten,” Miller said in the statement. “Tonight, 18 Senate Republicans conspired to take government away from the people.

“We will join the people of Wisconsin in taking back their government.”

Under the state legislation, collective bargaining is limited to wages for public unions. The wages can’t increase consumer price index-based cap, according to a news release from Walker. The cap could be exceeded by referendum.

The union contracts are limited to a year and wages frozen until new contract is settled.

Law enforcement, fire department personnel and state troopers and inspectors are not affected by the proposed legislation.

Other issues that are in the bill include requiring state employees to contribute 5.8 percent toward their pension and 12 percent toward their health care benefits. That move would save the state $30 million as it looks to plug a $137 million budget deficit by the end of June, according to the news release.

Schultz said in a prepared statement that he received tens of thousands of e-mails, thousands of phone calls and spent hours meeting with his constituents who told him they wanted two things.

“First, be inclusive by listening and working with your colleagues on both sides of the aisle to reach a compromise which addresses our fiscal crisis,” Schultz said. “Second, public employees are willing to make sacrifices on things like wages and benefits, but we need to preserve collective bargaining as a tool which has helped keep labor peace in this state for decades.

“Ultimately, I voted (with) my conscience, which I feel reflects the core beliefs of the majority of voters who sent me here to represent them.

“I look forward to working with my colleagues in the days ahead as we now need to join together to work through what promises to be a difficult budget.”

Senate Majority Leader Scott Fitzgerald, R-Juneau, said in a statement that the action take by the Senate followed the law after confirming the legality of the items in the bill with the Legislative Fiscal Bureau, the Legislative Council and the Legislative Reference Bureau.

“The people of Wisconsin elected us to come to Madison and do a job,” he said. “Just because the Senate Democrats won’t do theirs, doesn’t mean we won’t do ours.”

Sen. Mary Lazich (R-New Berlin) said she voted for the bill because “something needs to be done to balance the budget… and avoid large-scale layoffs of public employees.”

Passing the amended bill will prevent layoffs, Lazich said.

Lazich argued that the Democrats “ignored repeated efforts to negotiate on the bill.

But Democrats objected to the hastily scheduled vote and its sweeping impacts.

“In the dead of night and in less than 30 minutes, the Senate eviscerated over 50 years of collective bargaining and labor peace in this state,” said Sen. Fred Risser, a Democrat from Madison.

He questioned the legality of the vote, whether it violated state open meetings laws and said it amounted to “nothing more than an abuse of power.”

Sen. Julie Lassa, a Democrat from Stevens Point, called the vote a “truly sad night for Wisconsin democracy.”

“Deaf to the pleas of the overwhelming majority of Wisconsin citizens, Governor Walker and Republican legislators have demonstrated absolute contempt for the democratic process. They should be ashamed of themselves.”

A Green Bay senator, Dave Hansen, called his Republican counterparts “morally bankrupt” and predicted the move would lead to their ouster from office.

“Their actions are reckless, repulsive, unnecessary and mean-spirited,” Hansen said.

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Lyle Ruble March 13, 2011 at 09:41 pm
Bewildered,
I am not saying teachers are not professional. I am talking about state workers having as many as seven different unions and a number of different bargaining units. The local she belongs to also covers probation and parole and P&P have different rights than the social workers. P&P have protected status like police officers and firefighters while the local's social workers do not. Sorry for the confusion and I will word it more carefully next time.
Mr. Conservative March 13, 2011 at 09:43 pm
Lyle,perhaps you willnow cease laying out your credentials to attempt to gain credility, stop asking folks about their education level, which seems to be an obvious attempt to reduce the credibility of others.
You really don't need to do these things as you're one of the few liberals that will actually try to use some facts and thoughtful arguments, but these other tactics are annoying and condescending.
Bewildered March 13, 2011 at 09:51 pm
Telling Kathyran and myself to "Take some classes in basic economics" almost, I repeat almost, convinced me to give you some credibility as an expert in Econ.... Until I went back and reread all your conflicting comments and considered all your posting about your numerous degrees and vast work experience. I am sorry , But like others, I'm just not buying what you are selling.
Bewildered March 13, 2011 at 10:13 pm
And what does this have to do with your orig comment that public sector union members have a choice and don't have to pay dues. Such rash generalizations don't help your credibity
Lyle Ruble March 13, 2011 at 10:15 pm
Bewildered,
I too am concerned about people misrepresenting themselves and I don't think I claimed to have been an economist. My degrees and business experience have given me some unique perspectives that is not normally heard in these types of discussions. I am not trying to sell anything but want people to look at the other side of things and move beyond their prejudices and biases. I'll let you know that my avocation is that of social philosopher and I look at public policy and politics as it impacts society. Personally I would much prefer a social democracy like those found in Northern Europe rather than what we are struggling with in the US. As a social democrat I am not troubled by some types of socialism in regards to public welfare. However, I also believe in the benefits of capitalism and constantly look at achieving a balance between the needs of people and retaining business productivity. I have the luxury that most don't have in as much as I can research and study full time. So when I say something keep in mind my socialist leanings, my ivory tower attitude to intellectual challenges and my basic enjoyment of a good discussion.
Lyle Ruble March 13, 2011 at 10:28 pm
FC,
I depend on you and Bewildered and others to fully discuss the issues and I am not afraid to cede points when you have them. I strongly believe that we can come to consensuses when we fully air all different sides of a given issue. So much of the time we only see the world through our interpretation of reality and we are capable of being blinded by our prejudices and biases. I can't possibly have had your life's experiences and you can't have mine. You and others help me to look beyond my own interpretations and attempt to see your world. I hope I can do the same for you. This is a journey we all make together and we all have a vested interest. Just because someone doesn't see the world as I do, I will not condemn them, I value our shared humanity. I will fight to the death your right to be heard and to live your life free of tyranny, whether it comes from the left or the right.
Lyle Ruble March 13, 2011 at 10:34 pm
Bewildered,
I over generalized and the original statement was meant as not all public sector employees have to join unions as I clarified in subsequent posts. Thanks for pointing this out and I will be less general in the future. A number of my friends and relatives who are or have been teachers have indicated their displeasure at being forced to join the teacher's union and have the dues automatically pulled out. I do think it is an injustice and a loss of freedom.
Bewildered March 13, 2011 at 10:56 pm
Ok , Lyle. Truce. I respect your last two comments (here and above). Let's agree to disagree, be careful with our words and enjoy factual discussions. Perhaps some day sitting down together and enjoying a fine adult beverage brewed right here in the town we love. Mazal Tov!
Lyle Ruble March 13, 2011 at 11:32 pm
Bewildered,
I'll look forward to when you post again. I would enjoy an adult beverage with you. By the way I'm on facebook and we could chat there. Mazal Tov and Shalom Alechem. :}
Mr. Conservative March 13, 2011 at 11:33 pm
I can't see the Socialist Democracy playbook of the scandanavian countries working at all for the U.S.. The population in those countries is extremely small compared to ours, is also extremely homogeneous in race, culture, social mores, religion, work ethic etc. Most of the scandinavian countries have been shown in polls to also have someof the highest feelings of responsibility among their population, which means folks won't be as inclined to take advantage of the system. Just look at the day care scams uncovered in Milw and think about what our average level of resposibility must be in comparison. Also, It's a lot easier to run a welfare state where everyone is pretty much alike. They also don't have the illegal alien problems we do, and I doubt they have the number of unskilled legal immigrants emigrating to their countries either. I think you'll see some changes in these countries though, with the ever growing influx of Muslims you're already seeing some squabbling and class warfare starting, and it's only going to get worse. Their unemployment rates have been climbing as well as the number of folks on "sick leave", where they get paid to stay home indefinitely with an illness. Also,countries like Sweden,long held out as the utopia for this type of gov, was forced to make some pullbacks on the socialist programs and cut taxes as well. Socialism, especially on a large scale, just won't work for the long term.
Lyle Ruble March 14, 2011 at 12:52 am
FC,
You're right about a number of issues about the Scandinavian form of democratic socialism. They are homogeneous populations with similar lifestyles, mostly secular Lutherans, and a commitment to social justice. There populations are relatively small and I think all of the Scandinavian countries lumped together only have somewhere under 20 million. They are now experiencing problems with all the guest workers they invited in during the 60s and 70s. The Muslims have not assimilated well and are now a drain on the welfare state. One of the things I have looked at is service delivery between socialism and our system. Obviously they support their system through taxes and we use a combination of taxes and private payment. Several years ago I did some cost analysis and found that on average the Scandinavians, other than Norway with their oil money, pay around 63% to 65% in taxes. When I did a direct comparison between what we pay in taxes and direct payment it amazingly came out to about the same and the Scandinavians have far better programs. There is no comparison of a nation with a heterogeneous population the size of ours, but this is why I support single payer systems for healthcare and retirement for all. The history of the US is steeped in Calvinism and it may be impossible because of our lack of basic tolerance. I think we'll have to continue this conversation at another time.
Anne March 14, 2011 at 02:25 am
This "discussion" has made for an interesting few days. I don't think I've ever had this many e-mails waiting for me whenever I opened my computer mailbox! But for all the debate we've had, we've all got to remember that this decimating of public employee unions bargaining rights has one purpose only: the destruction of the Democratic party and the eventual ouster of President Obama. How do I know? Walker minion and Senate Majority Leader Bob Fitzgerald said so. On FOX news. . . so it must be true. And who does that benefit? Think about it.
Mande March 14, 2011 at 05:15 am
I've recorded everything on Fox the last 4 days and listened to EVERYTHING about WI GOV Walker and Senate Majority Leader Bob Fitzgerald NEVER said anything about destroying the Democratic party or eventually ousting President Obama.
Mande March 14, 2011 at 05:24 am
In NY, it takes 11 working Firefighters to pay for the pension of one. I would like to know how many of any public workers it takes to pay the pension for one in WI. Plus paying the pensions which for a lot of them is 80% of their highest pay when working and we still have to pay full salaries for all the working ones. How long do people think any state can sustain this even if EVERY RICH person payed what others think their share of taxes should be? In NY and NJ, when taxes got to high the RICH people moved out of state so there went all their taxes.
Linda Binder March 14, 2011 at 11:54 am
Mande, here's the segment you were looking for: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLJdijPEBJE
Lyle Ruble March 14, 2011 at 12:40 pm
Mande,
We are not NY, NJ, CA, IL or any other state with an underfunded pension plan. According to such sources as Forbes Magazine, the WRS is solid and can cover their benefit obligations well into the future. Luckily we are not in a pay as you go and the principle remains untouched. The fund, I'm not sure of the totals, is somewhere around $72 billion and the annual payout is around $3 billion in benefits. There have been losses in the pension fund from poor returns on institutional investment losses with the Wall Street fiasco. I think you shouldn't have to worry about paying for "golden retirement" excesses. Also, with the program designed as it is, it is actuarially strong.
Bewildered March 14, 2011 at 11:28 pm
Not saying WRS is bad (far from it), but even before this most recent budget crisis, many, many munis and school districts fou d themselves with severe financial shortfalls due to falure to anticipate and budget for their portions of WRS contributions. Bottom line is that many governing bodies are already struggling to meet existing and future payouts, due to bad forecasting and long term planning. Luckey for me, my muni sat the WRS bump comming and have been putting $ in a WRS reserve fund.
Lyle Ruble March 14, 2011 at 11:36 pm
Bewildered,
How will the teachers contribute to their retirement? Are they going to be contributing a lot more or do you think the districts will pick up the increases if any?
Bewildered March 15, 2011 at 12:19 am
From speaking with my wife., who is a teacher, her co-workers understand the need to pay the 5,6% b oth from a PR perspective and the need to help their district meet their finN ial shortfalls. Are they jumping for joy, I don't think so ( no one likes to pay more ... In my case, my health contributions went from zero to alost $5k annually which has been a big help, but my choices were pay or leave).
Truth be told, our teachers are under an existing contract till 2012-13 ( signed last year), so they won't have increased contributions till then. Makes budgeting the 2011-12 budget tough. Nice to see you back online, Lyle
Bewildered March 15, 2011 at 12:29 am
Sorry about typing. iPhone has very limited ability to proof
messages when typing and it's " self-correcting" mode drives me nuts. Reading my messages is like playing "Wheel of Fortune".... Buy a vowel and fill in the blanks. By way. Lyle, nice to see you back on line!
Lyle Ruble March 15, 2011 at 01:02 am
Nice to hear from you in spite of your hi-tech issues. My wife's union was one of those that weren't signed before Walker took office. As soon as the bill is certified and printed her new contributions kick in. I am curious to see how long they hold at the proposed rates. I am confused about the increases. Can the governor change the contribution rate without legislative approval? If he can't, when did the legislature approve the change? I thought the only thing they voted on was pulling collective bargaining and the rest needed a super quorum since it was fiscal.
D.D. March 15, 2011 at 01:05 am
I've seen a lot of comments regarding the funding of Wisconsin's pension system. There are other opinions out there.
A 2010 report by the conservative Manhattan Institute says the Wisconsin system is funded at only 72 percent, while teachers’ pensions are running an unfunded liability of about $10.9 billion. David Wirtz of the Federal Reserve Board puts the funding figure – at 88 percent. Wisconsin took out a loan of $950M in 2003 to supplement its pension. It is currently paying 6.5% interest rate on that loan, if the market rate of return on the $950M does not exceed 6.5% we will lose money on the deal and our % funding drops. We've seen similar issues in Waukesha & WFB with bad investments. Most public-sector plans apply asset growth projection rates to their investment portfolios, typically assuming an 8 percent return over time; Wisconsin sets its rate of return at 7.8 percent. The problem is, it’s utterly unsustainable and private sector pensions would never get away with that. That’s why Wisconsin and the three other “fully funded” states will likely join the 46 remaining states in the seriously underfunded category, if they haven’t already (and weren’t always). We should not blame public sector employees for these issues; however, it shows the pitfalls with the public pension system. It's time to start a transition to a 401K type system to allow young employees to plan far in the future and avoid false promises.
kevin March 15, 2011 at 01:15 am
Boy oh boy Brian you sure love talking about the "Soviet Union." Well, you should know then that the International Declaration of Human Rights says "Everyone has the right to form or join trade unions for the protection of his interests." When the declaration was passed, 8 nations abstained. You guessed it, the good old U.S.S.R and how bout this one South Africa (hmmmm apartheid??)
D.D. March 15, 2011 at 01:21 am
Lyle.. the Governer will have to have the legislature approve any future contracts. Remember last year Doyle wanted to sign the contract before Walker took office, but the legislature didn't approve. The legislature approved the change to the contributions as part of the special session that just took place. Since the updated bill didn't appropriate any money (actually spend $$) it wasn't considered fiscal in nature. They had to take the bond portion of the bill out since that did spend $$. I'm sure the courts will review these assumption.
Lyle Ruble March 15, 2011 at 01:21 am
DD,
I don't doubt what you say is true about the funding levels. However, I am very wary of switching over to a 401(k) type instrument. After what I've seen and experienced over the last ten years the 401(k) has proven to be a disaster. If I am not mistaken didn't the state have to take out the loan to replace the funds that Tommy raided? People have proven, myself included, not very adept at managing their 401(k) programs. I think there has to be other ways to create a program, perhaps a super social security system that is not a supplemental but primary single retirement system.
D.D. March 15, 2011 at 01:31 am
Lyle... I agree with your comment about the 401K and as a private sector employee... it make me nervous as well. You may be correct that Tommy raided the funds, I was not a fan of his. Many states simply don't contribute enough. 401K's are very risky and there are probably much better ideas out there regarding retirement savings. Perhaps simply requiring states to fully fund (either directly or including contributions from employees) will help prevent this issue in the future. I certainly don't condone changing retirement plans for those 45+ who may not have time to respond. For the yonger generation we may have to rethink retirement. Unfortunately, I believe both parties failed in leadership over the last couple of decades. They simply promised more goverment than they were willing to tax for. Wisconsin is definitely far better off than other states (just look south). I have family going in the Illinois teacher retirement system and we are fearful of what will happen in 5-10 years.
Lyle Ruble March 15, 2011 at 02:16 am
D.D.,
Now we are getting into the meat of the issue. Government and the public has been betting the house on the economy continuing to grow. I don't know many people I have known who have rationalized their irrational financial behavior based on the assumption that the economy could recede, but they could afford the risk because everything would come back bigger and better than before. In reality real middle class spendable income has been steadily declining since 1980. People have gone on a credit binge to make up for the lack of real income growth in order to support their addiction to consumerism. This aversion to staying within our means has created a situation where we want government services and security but we don't want to pay for them (taxes). For over a decade any politician saying they want to raise taxes to pay for services, is quickly shuttled out the door. I think it is time that we become grown ups and face the music and stop thinking strictly about the me and instead think about the we. We can't cut everything so we'll have to step up and start paying for it.
D.D. March 15, 2011 at 11:45 am
I agree that this is the real question. The unfortunate issue for the state of Wisconsin is that our tax rates are already pretty high. Perhaps there are areas that can be increased and depending on how severe the cuts are that may be necessary. However, Wisconsin already ranks #4 for % of State and Local taxes as percentage of State Income. NJ, NY and Conn rank higher (we are followed by RI and California). The bottom group (lowest individual taxes) are Alaska, Nevada, South Dakota, Tenn, Wyoming, Texas. Wisconsin also has the 40th "best" tax climate in the USA based on a variety of factors. I don't have the data, but I think you will find the lower tax states are the ones that are also seeing the highest population and business growth... and vice versa for the highest taxed states. The Northeast and Midwest seem to be losing people and businesses (or at least growing far less) than the South and Southeast. I don't believe we have to (or want to) compete on tax rates with these areas; however, increasing taxes in Wisconsin has to be considered very carefully to prevent further erosion of income and jobs.
Dave March 15, 2011 at 03:36 pm
People of Wisconsin One Drain on the people Zero
Bewildered March 15, 2011 at 04:13 pm
Dave, have no idea what your message means
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Pennyluhu June 16, 2013 at 07:49 am
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I agree that the folks at this Kwik Trip are great at assisting disabled people like myself but IRead More disagree that all Kwik Trips are helpful. There is a law that all gas stations are to assist you if you have disabled plates or a hanging placard if you press the help or disabled key on the pump. If there is no key (and I think all must have them by a certain date) then you are to honk horn twice and if there are at least 2 employees on duty, they are to assist. The K/T on St. Paul is useless. I've waited there, watching at least 3 employees mill around the counter with 1 or 2 customers and ingnore me. The Grandview station same but I haven't tried them in a few months. The worst station for that is whatever the one on St. Paul and Prarie is. I pulled in to see a female worker standing on side of building smoking. When she went in she was greeted by a male worker and I was ignored by both. I'd like to do a survey on how helpful each gas station is to the disabled. Kudos to Fleetfoot Kwik Trip! Whatever they got they should share with their brethren. I would rather give my $ to K/T because they are WI based and they donate regularly to the Salvation Army
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