We support RESTRICTED collective bargaining. @John Hebert - wont the billion $ you quoted be a savings to the taxpayer (including you?) or available for other services and not actually taken OUT of the economy?

I am a Lutheran pastor and I applaud the Waukesha County Board. It is a social INjustice to continue to spend money you don't have on public sector employee pensions, while private sector employees are getting laid off. Sadly, collective bargaining has been abused to the detriment of the average tax payer. There are lots of Lutherans who don't buy into the "social gospel", which is no gospel at all.

Our public employees did not cause our state's deficit, the current recession did. Our state pays a fair wage with fair benefits--many would do better in the private sector. If we're not willing to compensate workers adequately, services will indeed suffer.

Eugene,

Surely you are smarter than what you write. At least I hope so, but if I read you correctly, if not for collective bargaining people would still be being shot to death for asking for better shop conditions? There were people with both excellent pay and working conditions before any unions appeared in the US, so how do you explain that. There were people who worked only 5 days a week before unions. How do you explain that? In fact, there are still many people in jobs with no union protections that have excellent pay and working conditions and work 5 days per week.

To credit every positive improvement in the workplace during the last 150 years to unions and collective bargaining is disingenuous and quite honestly sounds like your either reading from your local 344 newsletter or having too many breakfast meals with the union stewards.

I was in a union and have seen this from both sides. Don't kid yourself and please try to be honest with other readers who see this. The unions buy as many candidates as any corporation does. In the end, corporations and unions can spend money, but it still is up to an individual to coherently and intelligently decipher the overload of information they are provided and go and vote. They did this in November and as Obama so eloquently stated when he won, "elections have consequences."

Does everyone notice the huge disconnect with the private sector? Most, if not all of the private sector would consider the public employee benefit package substantially more than just "fair." Perhaps these public individuals should see what the private sector has to offer if they do not like the proposed self contributions to their benefits?

If you are correct (which I don't believe to be the case) the market will take over and taxpayers will be forced to pay more to these public employees in wages and benefits. However, with 9% unemployment, there will be a line of more than qualified people waiting to fill ANY job vacancy available in the public arena.

Mr Reagan Disciple,
1. can you prove that more than 5% of USA's population worked less than 60 hours a week before 1915?
History documents that this was reality.
And of course child labor which you ignored.
And that those that did not live on farms and worked 80+ hours a week, lived in squalor in factory towns and big city tenements.

2. Up to 400,000 Wisconsin public service employees will have about $5,000 each less to spend in Wisconsin.
Instead this two billion dollars will go to health insurance companies and the investment companies that manage pension plans.
Thus two billion less will reduce our economy and participate still more layoffs.
As important, this will weaken already stressed Wisconsin businesses.
All this also increases Wisconsin's contributions to unemployment insurance and decreases tax collections.
It's a lose, lose, lose, lose, lose all around situation.
Walker simply does not understand economics and his bill in reality is the - "Sink Wisconsin Bill".

@Eugene - city, county, state, and federal governments cannot continue to sustain the current union packages. I live with a budget and it is time that governments get spending under control. The unions continue to push through extensions on current contracts - with employees now paying a portion of health insurance and pension, but it is not enough. Employees still dont have the option of opting out of the union and they they continue to pay union dues. Mercury Marine and Harley both asked for concessions from the union and got them; the alternative was move out of Wisconsin to do business. How have the unions helped the auto industry in Detroit area?????

@Eugene -
1. How about you prove to me that 95% of US workers did work more than 60 hours per week in 1915? (BTW- I never stated such a statistic, rather spoke in more general terms, so now you can try to back up your own ludicrous statements on shootings, your knowledge of what Christ would want etc...)

2. It is also apparently you who does not at all understand this bill. The insurance and investment companies will not be receiving anymore money at all. None!!! Instead, the money (same amount) they currently receive will just come from another source (the public employee) instead of the previous source (taxpayer) . The taxpayer has been footing the whole cost of the public health care and pension plan and now the public employee is just being asked to contribute a small percentage towards their own benefits(how horrific!). The money you claim will be taken out of the pocket of the public employee is actually just staying in the pocket of the taxpayer. There is no loss of economic dollars here to health care or investment companies.

It is really not even possible to have a discussion unless people can understand the basic principles, facts and concepts of this BRB which by reading your post, you seem to not fully grasp.

The budget didn't get busted overnight. We shouldn't try to fix it overnight and especially by degrading our educational system or hurting our senior citizens as Walker's plan does. When educational programs get cut, class sizes increased, and teachers are laid off, only a fool would say that education will not suffer. A child has but 12 years to get through school. When a program gets cut a child is cheated for life. It may be you who pays the ultimate price of DEATH because that was the child who would have found the cure for your cancer. But he wasn't motivated to to go on in school because the program that would have sparked his interest was CUT so that we could give a tax break to billionaires and corporations that are sitting on trillions and not hiring because there are no buyers who can afford to buy their products . The Republicans tried the trickle down theory now for more than 10 years and look at the mess we are in. It is not the children or the teachers that caused this mess. We shouldn't expect them to bail us out.

Well Eugene, it appears to me that you have omitted something to. Who gave the authority to you to decide that I don't need my money?
I have earned all that I have and believe that it is on theft for someone else spend my money in a manner that I don't agree with.
All you libs scream about greed... lets not forget about avarice as you are tossing all those epithets about...

If money was the answer for everything why after generations of throwing money at the schools are there so many kids leaving school without the basic reading, writing & math skills? Money isn't the answer. We need to look further. I'm very pleased to hear that Governor Walker wants an assessment of their skills at third the grade level before we "pass" them. The really great teachers (and I know we have them) won't let money or the lack of money get in the way of doing what they say the love to do. If they don't love it any longer it's time for them to move to our world, the private sector & see it through our prisms of reality. There are so many young enthusiastic folks just waiting to fill those positions.

Private sector workers have been feeling the "pinch/ouch" for several years now. My husbands wages have been frozen for 3 years now and we pay 30% toward our health insurance. Instead of complaining, we feel grateful every day that he still has a job. We've had to adjust our lifestyle to a reduced income so I'm sure the public workers will find a way. They still have job with Cadillac pension and health benefits. I hope they find a way to be just as grateful.

Wisconsin is broke just like so many other states & so many other families. If collective bargaining is so great, then the unions won't be afraid that these teachers will now have a choice to pay or not pay union dues. Let's all wait to see what happens when they have that choice?

Eugene,

You also have not proved any of your initial claims that all of these improvements are solely from unions. Were there strikes in the 1800s & 1900s? Absolutely. Would people still be shot today if it were not for unions, No. Society has evolved to the point this is not acceptable. In fact, it was not even acceptable back then which is why it is a historically significant event during the time period.

Here are the claims that you have stated which have not been backed up.

1. 95% of US workers were working more than 60 hours per week?
2. What is Christ's opinion on collective bargaining?
3. You also never even address you basic mis-understanding of funding for this bill in that you believe the money is being taken from the workers to give MORE money to the health care and investment companies. This is simply not true.

4. The point of my argument was really a causation vs. correlation situation. You have tried to credit every improvement in the workplace to unions without anything to factually back this up. It is to the point were you even cite your opinion of what you believe Christ wants.

See the radical disconnect? Think about what you are saying.

Even if you are correct on everything positive that you directly correlate to unions, the unions you are referring to are PRIVATE sector unions, not public employee unions. There is a difference.

Bravo to the Waukesha County Board for standing up to the dissenting voices. They have to live with the reality of less money like those of us in the Private Sector. We all have to make decisions about where we are going to cut our budgets and we don't like it either.

But we have to count our blessings .. stop counting the hardships. My husband's wages have been frozen for 3 years now and our healthcare costs continue to rise. We contribute 30% and don't get to take our private insurance with us when he retires. We remain grateful that he still has a job and I pray these Public Unions workers will do the same.

Will the public union workers come and protest for my husband and all of those like him? Didn't think so.

If Walker was so interested in balancing the budget, why did he give a 117 million tax break to the corporations. When you factor that amount across the corporate scene, it is a puny amount that won't make any business move here or leave the state. If you gave it all to one company, they could hardly build a new facility with it. For those of you who think you have suffered by having a pay freeze for three years, I can more than empathize with you. I took a 65% pay cut , lost my pension and ESOP stock through a contrived bankruptcy. I don't need lectures about sacrifice nor do I need an MBA to know that big business will do what ever it wants in the Walker environment- and get away with it. Your 3yr pay freeze will become a pay cut as they compare you to the public sector in the not too distant future. It's called ratcheting. What you are really doing is helping them to cut your pay sooner rather than later. If you don't believe that, you deserve what you get. And don't forget that teachers have been on a pay restriction since the Tommy Thompson days and the institution of the QEO. They couldn't get pay raises commensurate with the private sector, so they negotiated for the benefits which you envy instead. They paid for those benefits in lower salaries. Instead of using the public sector to negotiate your futures up, you have chosen to believe the corporate propaganda and ratchet the public sector down. What goes around will come around.

The smoke-screen has worked, and Walker and his leftenants have the working class pitted against the working class. Why is it that people think because somebody elses benefit package is "better" than theirs we should cut the better pakage? Why aren't we asking why the big corporations with record profits have been steadily reducing the pensions and benefits of the public sector? Why can't you people look past the smokescreen and see what is really happening? This has nothing to do with the budget at all - it's about power and money - and how much the Republicans can transfer to the rich and multi-national/state corporations from ALL of the middle class.

Reagan's Disciple. FYI, Reagan once said, "Where unions and collective bargaining are forbidden, freedom is lost". PS. Even though you claim that Eugene is uneducated, I believe you might be the one being schooled in history and knowledge.

@JRod. What freedom is there when employees cant opt of the union? What freedom is there when union supporters boycott Kwik Trip and block the entrances to Sendick grocery stores?

If big business can get the politicians to destroy the public school system it will insure them of a continuous supply of uneducated cheap labor. So just go on believing the Republican party line. What you don't pay in taxes you will double or triple the amount to send your kids to private schools or you already do and to heck with those who can not afford to do that! Don't forget it is all about ME, ME, ME.

@Jack. Good teachers will continue to teach - just without the hefty health care premiums and pensions paid by the taxpayer - you included.

Diane
So I guess what you are saying is that if we all like our jobs we will all eventually be willing to work for the robber barons for nothing . There is something wrong in our society when we are willing to pay a salesman, who doesn't need a college degree just a gift to gab, to sell widgets more than we are willing to spend to formulate the minds of our children.

Jrod,

Please keep making stuff up. Please show me where did I say Eugene was uneducated? He clearly does not have a grasp on the funding for the BRB or where the monies are going by his own admission. The lefties ability to just make things up out of nowhere although astounding, is not surprising.

As for schooling... Reagan made that statement (when he wasn't even President) in reference to supporting the working people in...... communist POLAND. Furthermore, public unions are not "free," as they cost the taxpayers money and employees are NOT able to decide whether or not they want to belong to said union. Employees are forced to join public unions.

If you want to discuss what people think about public sector unions, look at FDR or former labor leader and first AFL-CIO president George Meany and lets discuss their thoughts too.

Keep looking for more information in your next monthly newsletter too! Those things really keep "da union" members riled up (I used to receive one) and has them posting tidbits on sites like this that are easily knocked out of the park by anyone with even a modicum of common sense and/or knowledge.

@Jack I did not know that salesmen make more than what teachers do in 9 months with paid health insurance and pensions. Please point me to a listing of salaries of salesmen. You are right that you dont need a college degree to do be a salesman; neither do you need a college degree to teach. Governments need to control spending and live with a budget - like the rest of the population. Can you spend more than your income? I know I cant.

Diane
You do need 4 year degree to teach in public schools and continuing education through a Masters degree equivalent to keep your teaching license in most states.

@Jack - yes, that is the present requirement. But here are people who can teach who do not have degrees - and they will teach without the complaining that we hear from the current teachers.

@Eugene. It will be 2 billion that taxpayers will have in their pockets to boost the economy and help those whose services may be cut.

@Eugene - no one should have to pay higher taxes - not even you - if spending is controlled and cut back.

@Diane, I don't think a boycotting is contrary to freedom but a way to express freedom. We do it to plenty of countries we think are not fair to their own people. If there were a few people blocking the entrance at Sendik's, I think you are correct. Where I don't think you are correct is by using the actions of a few to make a point that applies to thousands of others.

Diane
There will not be 2 billion going into the economy as your taxes will not be cut and it will not be in your pocket to put in the economy.
As for non educated teachers - Are you saying you would get on an airliner with someone at the controls who wanted to be a pilot but never went through the years of training most pilots have? Because that is what I'm hearing. Do you really want that for your child's education or just someone else's.

@ Eugene I have the CHOICE to shop where I want - Kwik Trip and Sendick's. I am glad that the police were called to New Berlin and that someone was arrested at another Sendick's the next day.

I am also happy to read that County Board Chairman Jim Dwyer took control of the Waukesha County Board meeting began the meeting by explaining that each speaker would have two minutes to speak during the public comment portion of the meeting and that clapping, cheering, booing or making noise would not be tolerated.

@ Jack Why bring pilots into the conversation unless it is to say that pilots could teach in a classroom of students which is my point that people OTHER THAN TEACHERS WITH LICENSES are capable of teaching. I remember when everyone was afraid to let the controllers go on strike...... didnt others take over?

@regan's. You are right. A license does not make a good teacher.

Re 32 hour week.
Again, look what just happened at Reagan in DC.
Controller fell asleep.
And because of cut backs, only one was on duty.

There exists a group of wealthy individuals that are putting Public Good over Individual Greed.
- They state:
Over the last 30 years, economic policies in America have slowly but surely shifted to disproportionately benefit the nation’s top earners.
Wealth for the Common Good, which represents many of these individuals, was organized to help rebalance our economic system.
Our goal is to contribute to the public debate on taxes and support President Obama and Congress in creating a more progressive tax code.
- Their web site is: http://wealthforcommongood.org/
They have positive proposals, I hope you read them.
WE AREN’T BROKE!!!
THE REPUBLICAN SOLUTION IS NOT THE ONLY SOLUTION!!!

Let everyone know that even some very wealthy Americans recognize that serious tax policy changes are needed.

@Eugene. You make some really good points with North Carolina comparison.

Diane: What you and many more don't understand is that Public Worker compensation includes wages and benefits. They are already paying 100% of their Health Care and Pension. This is exactly the same with private employees. Total compensation includes wages and benefits. These benefits are part of what they are paid for their labor. If you would like to know how this has been misconstrued read David Kay Johnson.
What is happening in Wisconsin by Walker is that the certain public workers are getting a substantial reduction is their compensation. If we honestly look at it they are getting a pay cut by a dictatorial administration. And then they are also stripped of their collective bargaining rights which they have worked years to achieve. They will no longer be able to negotiate for better working conditions and safety rules. This will result in result in harm to our public services. Larger class sizes for teachers for example. Those that support these unnecessary cut backs are cutting off their noses to spit their faces. You don't recognize that these actions will harm YOU.
The truth is that our State is NOT broke and there are plenty of other measures that could be taken to correct a deficit. You are blinded by Republican rhetoric. When is a unfunded tax break to business NOT a deficit increase?
And Eugene, you are absolutely right. These pay cuts for public workers WILL further erode the Wisconsin economy.

One last thing, everyone need to know that the Walker strategy is part of a greater plan. It includes deliberately pitting one group in society against another; divide and conquer. It includes segregating out a particular sub-group and vilifying them. Making the larger population believe that that group is unfairly privileged and deserves to be cut down. This then makes the larger group feel justified in punishing the villains. That is why many private workers in Wisconsin feel good if their public servants are whipped a little. History shows that this strategy was used with devastating efficiency before.
To counter this evil plan we need to recognize that we are all in this together and look for solutions that are fair and equitable.

I've been with my company for 38 years...without collective bargaining. See no need for it. The rest of us have made sacrifices for the last few years...it's about time that the state employees do the same.

@Reagan, so you assumed that you schooled me on Reagan's quote. Cute and "ludicrous". Also, I don't and have never received a union newsletter. I noticed that in this blog you have spent most of your time "challenging" other people’s facts and opinions while you have only provided very little facts and lots of personal opinion. This can make the reader think that you have a good argument when in fact you do not provide sufficient data to consider your point worthy of consideration.

For Walker to be able to call the 6% and the 12% a "fair share", he also need raise taxes on the rich and on corporations. Instead he decided to lower taxes on some corporations. To raise one and lower or keep the other the same, make these percentages an “unfair share". Things HAVE in fact changed which mean public employees DO need to pay more (and they have), but the rich and the corporations DO need to also pay more. This idea of “a new normal, let’s make individuals pay more, but oh wait, can't raise taxes on the rich and on corporations" is from someone with a “modicum of common sense and/or knowledge".

Corporations are in fact enjoying billions of record cash balances. Corporations are also benefiting from the highest profit margin levels of the last 17 years. If anyone believes that keeping corporate taxes the SAME under this "NEW NORMAL” will create jobs, you have another think coming. You must also stop reading the corporate newsletter.
@ Reagan, to bring up the “New Civility” call that Obama made days after the murder of a 9 year old girl in Arizona as rebuttal to Eugene’s comment of S Walker might put into question your ability to reason and apply logic. Please consider the possibility that your arguments can be equally flawed.

One more thing, your idea that the 1billion is “just coming from a different source” makes the assumptions that all the corporations that pay corporate taxes are Wisconsin based, that none are foreign, that all the shareholders of all those corporations reside within the state of Wisconsin and that all the moneys not paid in higher taxes stay in the Wisconsin economy. You also assume that taking a few cents from the masses (corporations, the RICH as well as all the other Wisconsin tax payers) has the same economic impact than taking a few dollars from the hands of a few in the middle class.

Bob, this is the joke that people use to defend collective bargaining.

'They will no longer be able to negotiate for better working conditions and safety rules.'

They are already protected under state and federal laws for safety and working conditions.
It actually has more to do with them protecting rules that provide them ungodly overtime, extra days off , seniority privileges, paid time for union duties and other compensations no other employees would even think of asking for.

Mark S:
Show me the regulations that prevent a school district from demanding unworkable class sizes.
How about the regulations that prevented the recent situation with only ONE air traffic controller on duty.
I'll bet I know which propaganda you have been listening to and accepting without question.
No joke!

@ Bob I am afraid that you have some facts that are not right. The state has been paying the employer portion AS WELL as the EMPLOYEE portion of the pension plan. So the state has been paying 100% of the pension contributions. Now Gov. Walker proposed in the budget repair bill that the legislature passed that state worker contribute to the EMPLOYEE portion to the pension plan. That is still a lot better than a 10% - 58% 410K match with a cap in the range of 6% to 10% of base pay. This is what the better employers in the private sector contribute to their employee retirements. Not only is the contribution being asked of state employees still pretty small, they get a real pension. The kind where there is a guaranteed benefit when they retire unlike a 401K which could be worth LESS than what was paid into.

Lets take the "substantial reduction" argument in a hypothetical case. Lets say Sally Sluffoff is a state employee making a meager salary of 50K per year. The 5.6 contribution would amount 2,800.00 per year that she would now need to contribute. Lets also add in the 12.8% contribution to her medical costs (keep in mind this is not 12.8% of her salary but is 12.8% of the insurance cost). If you do a web search you will find numbers ranging from 10K to 15K per year. So 12.8% of 15K is only $1920.00. So our poor Sally now has to come up with $4700.00.

to be continued...

the rest of the story...

Lets compare that to Willy DeWorker who too makes 50K in salary working for Widgets of America, Inc. He gets a very nice 401K match of 10% up to 6% of his salary (which is pretty typical). In order for Willy to maximize the companies match he would contribute 6% of his salary to his 401K. That is $3,000 per year for retirement (remember his retirement benefit is NOT guaranteed). In addition he has the typical health care plan, not a cadillac plan but not a bad one either. Lets just say for sake of argument that it is about the same as Sally's, so about another $1920.00. So his costs are about 1,000 higher.

Oh yeah, one more little detail... Sally has a family deductible of... believe it or not the WEA plan is $300.... This is according to their web-site

https://www.instantbenefits.com/control-panel/cgi-bin/files/temp/6124815.pdf

Willie has to pay his deductible of 600... per person up to 1,800 per family... I guess that makes the total cost of the benefits for Sally around 5,000 compared to Willie paltry 6,100 - 6,700. I don't know about you but I would love to have Sally's job!

Lol
First, we have school boards (you know the ones that have been bowing to the unions for years ) and parents that would not allow that and you know it.
Second, no excuse for a sleeping controller, it's called incompetence. There were two pilots that slept right past MN a year or two ago, does that mean we need three or four pilots? I'm sure we'll find some interesting facts come out, like there was another one that was getting coffee.
Third, learning what collective bargaining is actually about is not 'propaganda' it's called knowledge. Using leverage to get more and more from taxpayers without an ability for them to say enough is called abuse.

@ Bob re: Gov't exists to serve the public and can tax in order to meet its financial needs." that statement says it all and it is why collective bargaining needs to go away................... we all are tired of the increased taxes - for additional services like more inspectors to make you move your pool or wood pile or telling you that your fence is too short or too tall or the 9 difference food agencies for food inspections. and the cheery attitude you get from the IRS or Post Office and lets not forget the DMV. Dont get me started on the poor service from the Post Office and how many weeks it takes to have undeliverable mail returned with additional postage due. I will stop now.

@ Mark. Yeah! Right on! : )

We must remember the important lessons we have been taught for decades upon decades by our largely Republican and conservative teachers and college instructors:

- Business is bad, even evil, and cannot be presumed trustworthy;
- Government is good, even benevolent, and must be presumed trustworthy.

Therefore:

- Any thing that limits, reduces or penalizes government is a bad thing.
- Any thing that limits, reduces or penalizes business is a good thing.

We can then understand the rigid ideological stance taken by Republicans and conservatives that government rules, regulations and taxes are presumed good ... and that union membership against management is presumed good, whether in the public or the private sector, including organizing against and weakening management or ownership power over the powerless worker -- salary levels, benefit levels, staffing levels, production expectations, classroom sizes, work conditions, work rules, work calendars, etc.

If you believe everything above EXCEPT that the words Republican and conservative must -- for the statements to be true -- be replaced with the words Democrat and liberal, then you understand that these ideological positions are largely cast in stone and that only individuals on the edges of either side might be convinced to swing their point-of-view to the opposite side by rhetoric or logic.

Re-read the first words: "We must remember the important lessons we have been taught for decades upon decades by (whom)" Aha!

@Diane and Andy, let's make sure people that are reasonable and will look out for all taxpayers will be representing us for years to come!

Reagan, here you go again. Corporations have everything to do with this debate. This debate is about S Walker's attempt to break unions for the benefit of his corporate friends. In the process he is muddying the waters to try to convince vulnerable people such as you that this is the right and only thing to do.

Since you know about that little thing called NYSE, you ought to know if it is billions or trillions. But while we are at it, this debate has nothing to do with the NYSE.

Incidentally, I do trade in the markets and that is why I am able to supply you with facts not just opinions. I am a capitalist and pro business, but this does not mean that I have to take an abusive position against the individual worker.

I think that many individuals in the middle class side with Republicans because they want to pretend that they belong to the same Country Club rich people and corporations belong to. How else can someone justify voting for the party that clearly does not look after their interests but that of corporations.

One more thing, trickle down economics is not working, AGAIN. If it would be working corporations would be taking this excess cash to create jobs, expand, invest in new plant and equipment, etc but they are NOT. Instead they are sitting on the cash and/or increasing divident payouts. But no new jobs. What corporations are saying is that there is no demand for products and services hence no need to create jobs. CONCLUSION: if you give more money to individuals this money will trickle up to the economy. That is if you give the money to the people that will spend it (not the rich) and this in turn creates the demand for products and services. Basic logic.

Hay all - take a deep breath -
Has anyone stopped to read this? -
There exists a group of wealthy individuals that are putting Public Good over Individual Greed.
- They state:
Over the last 30 years, economic policies in America have slowly but surely shifted to disproportionately benefit the nation’s top earners.
Wealth for the Common Good, which represents many of these individuals, was organized to help rebalance our economic system.
Our goal is to contribute to the public debate on taxes and support President Obama and Congress in creating a more progressive tax code.
- Their web site is: http://wealthforcommongood.org/
They have positive proposals, I hope you read them.
WE AREN’T BROKE!!!
THE REPUBLICAN SOLUTION IS NOT THE ONLY SOLUTION!!!

Let everyone know that even some very wealthy Americans recognize that serious tax policy changes are needed.

I bet Bob read this from the jest of his comments.

Vote Prosser on April 5.

Mt Reagan's Disciple who ever you are,
Do have at least one "NEW" positive suggestion to make to solve our economic problems?
If you Google my name you will find many I make, publicly, using my real name.
I've suggested we all get together and solve the WI property tax problem.
Have you read my suggestion?
Will you come out of hiding and help?
Are you capable of doing real hard advocacy work or just hide and call people names and label issues you don't agree with, leftest, liberal & the such?
Hay little guy, Stop hiding and be a real man.

@ Elaine : we are with you.

If you want to go with Elaine back a couple of decades when men thought of women as less than me, you certainly are making the right descision. Good Luck!

+1 for Elaine as well!

I'm a caveman, but I love strong woman that know how to vote!!

Insult??? Personal??? Please....

We are with Elaine - vote Prosser April 5

Go back three decades with Elaine. Vote Prosser April 5.

Vote Lloyd Carter as Waukesha County Judge......Kathleen Stilling has spent her life protecting sexual predators.
Lloyd Carter and Judge Prosser has our vote.....!!!!
Thanks to everyone for your vote of confidence. I refuse to keep quiet.

Three decades back was 1981, Reagan was just starting his presidency and there were many great achievements to be made in the next few years. Winning the Cold War, making Americans proud and on the cusps of one of the greatest economic and market expansions in the history of the US. Similarly, he took over for an individual who failed miserably (Carter) just as Walker is taking over for a miserable and failed predecessor (Doyle).

Vote Prosser April 5th! Keep WI Strong!

I wouldn't want it any other way, it is a democracy. I just don't think that an individual that is doesn't choose his reactions but his reactions choose him is a good candidate as Supreme Court Judge.

Let's put it this way; I would choose Clinton's presidential terms over Reagan's hands down no questions.

Reagan was president for two terms. Taking credit for the nation's accomplishments for the three decades following makes you the best Reagan Disciple but also a bit extreme. You speak about Reagan as if his presidency was a model to our history. Please remember that during his terms we saw the US selling arms to Iran, unemployment was no lower than 5.5% and it was only during the last two years of his presidency, we saw the highest number of bank failures since and including during the Great Depression and growth was easy to achieve with the descision to increase our budget deficits to levels never seen before. Let's remember that the budget deficit was corrected and back into the black with the arrival of Clinton. I am happy however to see you not bring up President Bush or Richard Nixon as evidence of Republican political supremacy. Thank you.

Amen, RD!!!

I am glad you did not argue against the reality of Reagan's terms as President. I think the success of Bush's Presidency rests entirely on our ability to forget. 97% of historians Alreadyconsider it a failure.

I hope you are not holding your breath my friend. Save the State of Wisconsin don't vote Prosser April 5th.

Well, progress is being made. We're considering ourselves friends. Well, as good as that sounds, friends agree to disagree.

Personally, for as rare as it may sound, I'm grateful for "rich" people. They pay more in taxes than I do, they have given my families jobs, they have created wealth for themselves, yes. But after watching my husband run a business for 25 years I believe most "average" taxpayers would never want to pay the personal price to be a success. In fact, your average person just wants to go to work an earn a living, take home a paycheck and doesn't want to make the 70-80 hours a week it takes to be a success. And, guess what, we never got rich. He now works for a "regular" employeer and is happy to add to their wealth so he can just be a "regular" guy.

Most government workers just want to be among the "regular" folks as long as the rest of us pay for their retirement and healthcare for the rest of their lives.

I am making calls promoting Vote for Prosser on April 5th and the response has been very positive. Our energy surpasses the anger of the Unions and we will prevail.

Elaine, I can appreciate your position. Please know I don’t find joy in wanting to make the rich pay more in taxes, but this situation that we are going through calls for their taxes to be raised at least temporarily. Perhaps until we as a Nation re-gain footing. The wealth that has been accumulated by the rich is stagnant and out of our economic flow. There are so many goods and services that they possibly consume. So that accumulated wealth is not moving. To make matters worse, the strong and close relationship between our government officials and them make matters worse by phasing out estate taxes, capital gain taxes, etc, etc. At the very least our tax structure should incent them to spend by taxing wealth at a higher rate. Give them an incentive to spend in home improvements or new vehicles, or in bringing jobs back to the US. It is on everyone's best interest, including them, that we make these changes so we can move forward. Remember, it is our purchasing power that helped make them rich. We are the customers and the engine of the corporations and the rich. If we increase taxes on the masses (non rich/non corporations) we will put us our economy further into the recession whole. Right now corporations are enjoying record cash balances and profit margins. What does that mean? They are doing well but the rest of the Nation as a whole is not.

A truly fair income tax law would be the flat tax. No matter what you earn - a set percentage for EVERYONE is taken out of your pay. Damn the tax shelters, the deductions, the loopholes...whatever the percentage is, that is what you pay on your income, whether you earn $10,000 or $ 100,000 or anything in between, above or below. Only then will income taxes be equitable.

@ Elaine - thank you.
@ karen - we agree. But it would mean no jobs for the CPAs who then would be whining.

I am sorry to say that I struggle with people in the middle class that spend time looking over at what anyone else get. Let me make a suggestion; If you are jealous of people who are unemployed, then do something about it so you become unemployed. If you wish you would be so poor that you would qualify for food stamps, then pray that you loose both your jobs so that you can get them. If you want to be a single parent, you can do that too and that way you might qualify for rent assistance. I really wish everyone would mind their own business and their own lives, and be happy with who they are and with what they have. This thing about looking down the ladder and picking on the needy is a bit sad. When you look at the whole American pie, what they are getting are the crumbs. I think that a lot of the policies of the "right" focus on very sad socio-economic bullying. We are human beings for God's sake not a pack of wolves. To make matters worse, since the top 1 or 2% pay 65% of the taxes in this country, most of the people that join-in the bullying don't even have the right to make any claims about the money they are getting because the middle class is NOT carrying their own weight. We just heard GE is not only paying less taxes than someone that is making $40,000 but they are getting a credit. Corporations create jobs, but this is plain good old lobbying.

One more fact for those union worker haters. The Labor Bureau of Statistics show that for the last several decades personal income has gone down at the same rate as the amount of union employees. What that means is that unions help everyone's income stay higher. Yes, that includes the private sector as well. Think about it, when the union worker's income and benefits go down, there is no need for private sector jobs to pay as much or offer as many benefits. So, as you celebrate S Walker's win, be aware that you are shooting your own foot in the process of hatng what they get. Add to that the fact that these people might leave the union, there will be a higher supply of workers and more competition for YOUR job. Keep hating.

Nice job Union.....

http://biggovernment.com/bjacobson/2011/03/31/wi-union-boycott-threats-border-on-illegal/

Heh...didn't you know that Unions are above the law - and reproach?

Like I said.."keep it up." More votes for Prosser on Tuesday !
No freedom of speech here in Wisconsin, oh unless you are in support of union thugs.
Hats off to all the local networks for covering that story last night !!
Neutral means "no"... "put up these signs or else"?????
Yes, nice job Jimmy P.

GO PROSSER !!!

@Alexis. Agree! Vote Prosser! There were 8000 yard signs distributed weeks ago. We printed our own and put them out. Can download a PDF file at Prosser's website. I cant wait to see the union signs in business for me to boycott. PROSSER PROSSER PROSSER PROSSER

Heard on the news this morning to expect to see people with recall petitions at the polling places on Tuesday.

@Diane & anybody else interested
I received word this morning that new Prosser signs have come in. I know they had been out of them. Contact the Prosser campaign office if you'd like a sign or two or three !! :-) or yes you can make your own as well.

Yes I heard they can do the recall petitions at polling places ...oh joy ! Since they will do anything to stop us...this should be interesting.
GO WALKER - GO PROSSER !!

@Alexis
Do you have a phone number for Prosser campaign office? There was a list of phone numbers on his website awhile ago, but not now. Thanks!

You Go Girls! I hope you are as vocal with everyone as you are here. I have been. I'm not going to let those protesters drown out my voice. Are we allowed to wear our "Support Prosser" pins into the polling booth? Probably not, but I won't be bullied whether those protesters are standing there or not. I've been going out of my way to support the businesses that are being bullied by these protesters and I always find a manager to let them know that. They need to know there are PLENTY of us out there. We are the majority so let's hope all of us show up to VOTE PROSSER on Tuesday.

: )))))

I vote at
Peace Lutheran Church
17651 West Small Road
and if I see requests for recall petitions or a worker "rights" group, I may stand with my Prosser sign.

I am even MORE vocal than I am on here !! LOL
I think I just might wear a "Support Prosser" pin.
Why not they can wear/do whatever they want, so can I. I have emailed & told everybody I know how important it is to vote Tuesday, lets hope everyone takes just a little time out of their day to vote. It's so very important !
Diane..the number I have for signs is: 262-522-2889 they are getting signs in today or tomorrow. They also need volunteers to help put signs together..I am hoping to recruit some people & help out over the weekend !

GO PROSSER !!!

@ Mark. The article written by a conservative website does state "BORDERS on illegal". What S Walker is doing against the judge orders, IS illegal. And I am supposed to support the judge that supports the guy that sees himself over the law of the state he governs. A guy stealing a candy bar from Walgreens gets arrested before getting a judge to see the case. Here the judge is giving his rulling and S Walker and his government ignore it. I don't care who you support, there are times that in support for our democracy you have to call your politician and tell them to stop breaking the law. Here is a case of if it is our guy its okay. We are going backwards people!, and this has nothing to do with unions.

If anyone thinks Walker cares how many people are living on the streets of Wisconsin and how many more will be added because of his crazy illogical plans, you're as warped as he is.
What happened to the 10 Commends being enacted in Wisconsin??
Did Moses bypass Wisconsin?
It seems to me Walker can not read well.
- It's obvious he can not read the 10 Commandments.
If he thinks about this for a few minutes, he may come up with the weird idea that Wisconsin's education and support for the needy must be improved and NOT GUTTED.
(Whoops, Walker think positively, I made a mistake) (scratch that thought.)

Karen, please consinder the posibility t,hat the hate you feel might be the one working really hard to find hate in my words. Just a thought. I know, cause I only hate a couple of people in my wife's side of the family and it has nothing to do with politics. So, I love you. There. :)

As far as your comment that the union has not done anything for you, pease know that labor cost is set by the market. So while the union is demanding higher benefits, you are indirectly the benefactor of higher wages in this society. Let's suppose that GE wants to transfer an employee to your community. They will offer a better moving package to the employee and when that person buys the house in your neighborhood it will raise the price of your house. So the union bargaining does help you. The Republican party wants to lower their benefits so they can lower yours in the long run. Statistics show the evidence. Just please plan accondingly. Whatever you do, please don't listen to Rush or Beck. Please!!!!

Blah Blah Blah...Are you trying to convince us of something?? Not working.....

VOTE FOR PROSSER April 5th !!!

@JRod
I dont see that Karen used the word "hate". That is pretty strong - way too strong for this discussion. I was taught that hating someone means you want them dead. I dont think that is what you mean. Prosser still gets my vote. and the sign in my yard. and perhaps me with a sign on Small Road on April 5.

Since you have shared some of your personal situation, I think it would be important for you to know why I decided to call out the "haters" come from. My kids always went to private schools. I always paid property taxes for which I was not getting any benefit of. I still pay tons of property taxes and my kids are out of school. Not once did I look at how my property taxes were paying for someone else's kids education. That was until I started to hear the oppinion of some of those parents that I was paying for their kids to get an education. My hard earned money. And their kids had better computers, proograms, services, lunches, all that gravy that you talk about. I never cried as you called it. So unless you never had any kids go to public schools, you shouldn't be saying that you are paying those cushi benefits because you and most everyone is not. Do the math. It costs about $10,000 a year per child. Look at your property tax bill. So, for those out there in this position, please stop talking about what someone else gets. You have no right. Just begin to enjoy YOUR free ride.

See how much you pay in property taxes and see how much did that cover the cost of your children going to school every year. only is paying for those union

Please excuse my bad cut and paste job.

Thnx Reagan !
and Amen Karen !!
Enough is enough !!

I think JRod needs to settle down before he has a coronary. He's not going to convince any of us to "come over" to his side. I've long said that unions had a time and a place in this country - decades ago. That time has passed. Now, they're nothing more than legalized Mafia. Thugs. Extortionists. Thieves.

I've no hate for them - however, I've no use for them either.

Karen is right, we are not going over to that dark side of thugs, extortionists & thieves.
I too believe unions had a place at one time but no more There are many, many laws in place to protect employees actual rights...not privileges...rights !!

But can I ask,

1- Since I am the one paying your your kids to go to school, why is it that it is not up to me to decide how the money gets spent.

The average family in Waukesha County has two kids and owns a $250,000 house. They pay $3,500 in property taxes. IF you do the math, you will see that at graduation this family paid $42,000 for their children to go to school but a neighbor (such as me) paid the rest or $246,000.

You might want to consider how the taxpayer is supporting your family before you talk about how someone else is supporting that of others. We have to behave like adults, not children.

I am not writing to convince anyone. I am intelligent enough to know that will never happen. I do think that people need to pay their OWN WAY before they have the RIGHT to DEMAND that others pay theirs. That is all.

JRod what about those of us who have no children at all.
I pay thru the nose in taxes. I think the least our district can do is look for ways to cut costs..ie contributing just a bit more to their OWN health ins & pensions. The peace of mind alone, of not having to worry about money for retirement, should be enough to get people to pay just a little more. A huge portion of my property taxes paid for FLAT screen tv's...really?? I didn't need those when I was in school.
I know for a fact that there are MANY other ways to save money in my district & yes that does include kicking in for their own pensions & finding less expensive insurance, which a friend on the board told me would be a huge savings.
So I have been paying my way for a long time...time for just a small concession from others.

Karen, I can relate.
I have been paying taxes for 15 years now.
Every time I look at that "pie chart" with the portion of my taxes that goes to schools...I shudder. On the other hand, I do want good schools for my friends & neighbors children, but I think there is just TO MUCH WASTE and now with everything coming to light, I REALLY think there is to much waste. I appreciate teachers, city snow plowers and others who do a service but SO DO I.

Alexis - Your question is an easy one to answer.
Who paid for your education?
Now it's your turn to pay for the current generation.

& Karen - Can you describe some of the waste you are aware of?????
I bet the School Boards, Town and County Fathers would like to hear from you.
They struggle everyday with limited budgets and requests for improving the schools and patching potholes and sheltering & feeding the less fortunate and calls for more police protection.

Do you do any volunteer work to help out in these very dire times?

Karen....LOVE IT

Eug I went to catholic school !!

Eug...stop it !!
Back off of the Caffeine !!

I have heard - and have not verified this for myself yet, but plan on researching it - that the Elmbrook School District has, in addition to the School Administrator, THREE assistant administrators. If that is the case - and I am saying IF that is the case - there's some waste for you. A school district this size does not need a total of 4 administrators.
The best way to cut costs in school is to cut down on the number of board members, cut down on the high tech equipment, get more reasonably priced health insurance, have employees help PAY for that health insurance, have employees help PAY for their retirement benefits, and get back to basics so that they can turn out EDUCATED young men and women.

Karen, did you do your own math? You have been paying taxes for 41 years. That is not the only number that goes in the equation. How many of your kids did go to public school. Did your parents send you to private school?

Diane and Reagan, where are you?

Eug I went to Catholic School too! Half the money I made since I was 12 went to help out because it was a family decision as it was so eloquently put. Same with my brother, sisters had to work too (they started working later). What happened to my folks and Alexis' folks money since people like my family and Alexis' went to a Catholic School? What happens to my money now that our family will choose to go private? My folks are 70 and every dime from the public school fund went to people that we never even met. Sound fair? NOT. Kinda funny how the Catholic School teachers make about half of what the public school teachers get yet love their jobs. SOUND LIKE THEY MIGHT DO IT FOR THE KIDS?!

Your argument is old and soft. Kneeling on some dried peas for a while might toughen you up....

I am Diane's husband and I read a lot of the comments, skimmed others and I really have to express some of my own views...

1. The State Supreme Court race between Prosser and Kloppenburg is much larger than this single issue. Prosser believes in judicial constraint, in other words do not make laws from the bench. Kloppenburg has said in the past that she would vote her conscious, NOT what the laws of Wisconsin govern her to do . So even if you disagree with the Budget Repair Bill, feel Walker is attacking unions or any other of the rhetoric, DO NOT make the mistake of electing someone who believes her opinion carries more weight than the law!!

2. The concept of Flat taxes vs. Graduated taxes has been around a long time. I have debated with my family, especially my brother on this many times. What most people understand when talking about flat taxes is the tax code is way to complex and favors one group over another with the various deductions/credits. They think in terms of a flat tax as the elimination of the deductions/credits, which it is not. To paraphrase Warren Buffet "I only paid 16K in taxes on my income... which is way to low". There are two points in that statement that should be understood. Flat taxes would not change that and Warren, like the rest of us pay as little as possible. What needs fixing is elimination of deductions/credits. Not Flat vs. Graduated.

Diane's Other half :)

Diane's almost better half is smart!!

@JRod
Why do you want to know where we are?

all:
my better half is VERY VERY smart!

re: volunteering
is working at the Homeless Shelter or meal sites feeding the hungry or packing food to send to Haiti, helping to build Habitat houses, cleaning the litter from highways.

Picketing and getting signatures is being politically active, not volunteering.

Did you see what passed in Ohio - limits on collective bargaining! YEAH OHIO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The idea that is often linked with flat taxes is elimination of the deductions. But they are two totally different things. Changing from a graduated tax to a flat tax without the other tax reforms is pointless, in fact would favor the rich even more. What the debate should be about isn't flat tax vs graduated taxes but the need to promote social policy through tax laws. Why do we get a credit for mortgage interest? To encourage home ownership... but why? Why do we get a deduction for our dependents? For reimbursed employee expenses? For Capitol losses? For wildlife funds? Get ride of ALL the deductions / credits and define income as any source of money earned. Then a graduated tax structure would allow the most needy in society to pay a little while the most affluent would pay a higher percentage.

I believe that we all would see significant reductions in taxes... and the cost to prepare them. That is another racket...

Diane's other half :)

Diane, I was just accused of not reading someones post in its entirety. My post is clear. Were you the bneficiary of public education and or are your personal property tax payments enough as to cover the cost of your chbildren education? If the answer is no, you are in a very weak or in no position to tell someone else what they are entitled to.

Does Mark have or will he have kids in the public school system? Is Reagan hidding?

So far I have found an unusual amount of people in a conversation that are in fact carrying their own weight as far as education is concerned and haveevery right to be upset about waist.

Waste. Sorry.

As a Conservative I must chant "WHINE, WHINE, WHINE". Get over it you coddled crybabies. Thank you Governor Walker for standing up for the real working families and not the entitled, trough feeding moochers.

As far as education is concerned. My siblings & I all went to private school. I have lived in the same community all my life, my father still lives here (& pays taxes) my grandmother lived here years ago and she paid taxes as well.
You may be surprised to know, as I was, just how many people we have met with no children. They also pay taxes and at least one couple we know, both attended private school. I do not know about the rest, but there are allot of us out here who do NOT have children & are still required to pay the same amount for property taxes as those who do have children. We have all paid & are still paying our share. My brother lives in East Troy & his girls attend private school as well. Again, I am not opposed to a good education, but think these small concessions need to be made. This is not just about the schools but all unions. I don't think it's right/fair for those folks to have all those "entitlements" when I work just as hard(maybe harder in some cases).
I know quite a few teachers & one lawyer friend who works for the state, they have all said on numerous occasions, how good they have it...until now. Now I am hearing as John G said.."whine, whine, whine"...I have to laugh. They seem to think they are taking a pay cut because they have to contribute to their OWN health & pension...LOL Are you kidding??

Well ladies and gentlemen, I stand humbled before your opininon and your position. I can't argue with most of you people that have blogged during the last two days. I am in the same position as you, so I understand what is it to pay for private school and still, when my kids have been out of school for seven years, be paying property taxes to educate someone else's children. I concede that you guys DO have full right to be upset with the current education funding system and demand change. What I don't like is the rest of the people out there who apparently don't read or write in this blog, that ARE getting an even cushier deal than the teachers themselves and are raising picketing signs demanding that the government take something away from someone else as if it was their hard earned money.

So the "freeloaders" are calling the "freeloaders", "freeloaders".

I am still waiting for Reagan to tell me if he is in the position to call people "free loaders" or if he put his "freeloader" sign away.

I just left the "Relect Prosser" offices in Waukesha and the phone calls are buzzing away. I plan to go back later and again tomorrow to be sure I don't wake up Wednesday morning and feel like I didn't do everything I can to be sure we have a judge who makes decisions based on the "letter of the law" and not his personal "feelings". Feelings have no place in our court system.
I just picked up a sign and put in Hwy 164 where there's a lot of traffic. I'm talking to my neighbors and sending emails too. VOTE PROSSER ON APRIL 5!!!!!
Please talk to everyone....we will not be put down by these Public Union Complainers.
Oh, and I'm praying a lot too.....and then I've apologized to him for asking him to get involved in "our" world. It's our job to fix our world....

Totally. I hope you finally understand mine.

I just called 262-522-2889 and was told there may be more PROSSER yard signs tomorrow. The campaign is out of money because there is a cap. I will call again tomorrow and hopefully be able to put out more signs over the weekend.

@JRod again - why do you want to know where we are?

Diane, You answered my question.

Hey JRod...thank you for understanding my position. Hope you have a fantastic weekend ! :-)

Elaine...You are awesome to help out like that.
I am hoping to get out there on Sunday & help as well.
To you, Diane & Karen - Have a GREAT Weekend ! Ok ..everybody else also !! LOL
We are not that way...

GO PROSSER !!! VOTE APRIL 5TH !

@ Alexis. You too! I hope we get this government/society back in track someday.

More Americans work for the government than work in construction, farming, fishing, forestry, manufacturing, mining and utilities combined.

Interesting article.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704050204576219073867182108.html

All the moonbats will be taking their heads out of the trough long enough tonight to try to go make a statement at Country Springs Hotel. To those of you planning on doing so, us level-headed taxpayers will be laughing at you from our nice, warm, cozy homes. The Union goons are getting even more outlandish as we speak. You should know, the party is over, no more confiscatory dues feeding your Big Brother Union mentality. You can still try to strongarm the weak into your "club" but at least people won't be forced anymore. After this all dies down, I think I will try to get my Legislators to start looking into making Wisconsin a right-to-work State. Or, maybe you will start getting more reasonable and stop with your tantrum.....?

Prosser a molester go free and shouldn't be rewarded for that. He also insulted another judge and lacks Kloppenberg's experience. I don't care for Walker's tactics and won't be voting again for anyone Republican anymore after this whole fiasco. I believe in Republicans but not Tea Partiers. Their brew is too nasty for my tastes and they need to have their own party--they have ruined what the Republican Party used to stand for. Once things are balanced again in government and these lawless lawmen are gone, I may go back to voting Republican, but not anytime soon.

JRod... to answer your question, I do have a public school eduction. My kids went to Catholic schools. I understand the double dip that people who choose to use parochial schools. However, that is a choice I made and I do not shirk my responsibility to my community by supporting pubic education. Where I have issues are with teachers that feel that they are under paid, under appropriated, etc. AND we have districts like MPS that do not graduate 50% of their students. Where is the education in that? Also schools have become more of an indoctrination center rather than a place of education.

OTBW... While you may be right about your stats, but you forgot (or don't know) that a large number of the public sector works you cite are federal employees. Most of which are banned by federal law from being unionized. So I have to ask... What is your point???

Diane's Other half :)

Conservative Cathy...
1. Read the case where Prosser let a molester go free... also read the comments the "victim" made upon hearing that this is now a political issue.
2. Prosser did call another jurist the B-word if I have my information correct. However what neither you or I know are the circumstances that evoked that kind of statement. I know I have let loose with words way harsher than intended once or twice, I suspect you have too.
3. Your comments about not supporting Republicans because they are ignoring the law. Pleeeease... The fab 14 that took the road trip to Illinois were only breaking the law too. What I believe you really should be saying is "I will not support a Republican who isn't a RINO but is a conservative." While you may be a social conservative, it is obvious that you are not a fiscal conservative at all. And your assertions that Kloppenberg make me doubt your positions on social issues, like tossing 80 year old farmers in jail so that you can garnish their bank accounts for not planting grass instead of crops.

Diane's Other half :)

other half, I think the article speaks for itself. Do you have any specific questions?

This whole process is a huge fiasco..... no one wins. A group leaves the state to avoid voting.... laws are challenged in court proceedings that doesnt have jurisdiction. Outrageous. We have become a society of "takers not makers" as the article that obtw sited. What a sad, sad country that outsources jobs while our own people are unemployed.... because of the benefits that employees demand.
I am soooooooooooooooooooooooo sad. Diane

Diane, the 14 Dems did not break the law, contrary to popular belief and are not charged with anything illegal as a result. The farmer had been found guilty already by another judge and still ignored the order to plant grass so that there wouldn't be farm run-off entering a waterway. He had his chances and he chose to ignore them. I can't support a party that tries to turn us against each other while breaking the law and gives welfare to corporations and banks. It's so sad that you would complain about the living wages your neighbor makes rather than demanding that your rates/benefits match that same wage. Aren't workers worth more? Working class Americans are down 23%, the super rich are up over 400%. You are pointing fingers at the wrong party in this case. True republicans need to stand against Tea party ideology because they are destroying the legacy built by people like Tommy Thompson and President Reagan.

BTW, Diane: Being "fiscally conservative" usually means that you want the poorest with too many kids to suffer for being lazy. Meanwhile, Grandma gets affected with the same cuts while the rich get to buy another vacation home in the Caribbean on the loophole money they keep getting. Fiscally conservative means "don't raise my taxes" and cover only the things that I value, instead of everyone else. Those deep school cuts will mean less afterschool programs and lead to more violence in your neighborhoods ultimately. You may wind up paying outrageous fees to private companies to pick up your trash, etc.,. I could go on and on....

"conservtive"cathy said: I can't support a party that tries to turn us against each other while breaking the law and gives welfare to corporations and banks.....
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That , my dear, describes the democrats in charge in DC. Do you want links? Just look up War on Libya, Tarp funds to Libyan banks, GM, GoldmanSuchs, GE, Fannie, Freddie, and JPMorgan for starters. All in the news today.

conservative cathy = pretender

She has all the soundings of a unionista trying to make people believe she has changed sides. Those radicals are the only ones who come out and say "I was conservative, but...." and then backs everything that any radical liberal has ever stood for.

I really take offense to that. I am a Reagan republican and proud of it. I loved Tommy Thompson as our governor. He was fair and effective. I just think that the Tea Party needs its own designation--they are way too extreme for me.

If it walks like a duck....

Vote Prosser on Tuesday.

And also to get conservative cathy even angrier than she already is......

Make sure to Vote for Rajnicek on the Waukesha School Board. She is the only 1 of the 4 who is NOT endorsed by the teachers union.

@Reagan. Don't you see? Cathy has it all figured out. Conservatives are so stupid that she can get online and dupe them into believing she is one of them. So, when she denounces the Tea Party (Tea Party isn't really a Political Party Cathy) then us rubes will be compelled to believe it. And Cathy, the Prosser case from 1977 is the best you libs can do? The victims in that case are LIVID with people like you for trying to speak for them, they are doing their own ads supporting Prosser--let me guess, you're going to vote for the child molester's lawyer Stilling though. I'm going to start calling myself "Liberal John" and preaching about personal accountability, right to life, and lower taxes.

I'm not angry at all. I have faith in my party to overcome the bad name that the Tea Party is giving it. Radicals from any party are not what makes for good government. Walker had it nailed and then they got sloppy and arrogant. That bill would be in effect had they followed the law. Thompson would have been patient and had some class about the whole thing. As for Rajnicek, she just doesn't impress me as a candidate and hasn't familiarized herself with other education-related issues besides the union stuff. In short, she's taking advantage of a political situation without having any other platform to offer . There are too many other important things to consider when it comes to educating our kids.

Hey Cathy, Chris Christie or John McCain, who represents Conservative values?

@ Cathy. Here is the victim you are soooo upset about. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JX7Y8Flgu9o&feature=player_embedded

There is nothing morally acceptable about lying about a sexual assault victim's case from 30 years ago (against the victim's wishes) to try and stick something on her opponent. Let us not forget that the victims even asked her to help stop the ad and she refused to even do that! Disgraceful.

My thought is that if they have to go back 30 years and this is the only case they can come up with, he must be doing a very good job!

the tea party is the only reason the GOP is back in the picture. Without the tea party the GOP is just a bunch of old politicians that are ALMOST as corrupt as the democrats.

@Diane 1/2. Never once have I called someone a bad name (ie b...) in any kind of setting much less a professional setting for any reason no matter what. So please do not excuse this man from calling a woman a very distasteful name of an animal in a professional setting. Also, where did you get that the 14 broke the law. They did not break the law. So far Walkers was and Fitz was trying tro break the Constitution by wanting to take the Democrats votes away. If you really consider yourself reasonable, please do not excuse them for behaving in such an erratic way.

@ Reagan, I assume you don't have any kids in the public school system and/or your property taxes are such that you cover the $12,000/yr it cost to educate each children in the Waukesha public system.

@Reagan, In the Prosser case, the victim is now an adult and you have do what is legally necessary to protect future potential victims by making the information available to those that have to make a voting decision. I hope you were as protective of the CIA agent when Lewis "Scooter" Libby leaked her name. Or was that not "Disgraceful". A very very American Conservative.

@Diane 1/2 Come on....who was fiscal conservative? Reagan? Bush? Don't make me get deficit numbers please. You know them.... and fiscal conservative is a title you guys can no longer claim.....

Of that $12k/yr in Waukesha and $15k/yr to teach a child in Milwaukee, nearly 80% of that cost is salaries and benefits. Please watch the movie "Waiting for Superman" to understand how the Union mentality is destroying our schools. How about this, you let me keep 75% of my current property tax bill and I will promise not to send my kids to your public school and use up "your" precious resources. Sound fair? You still get a little something for nothing and I get to prove that public schools can't hold a candle to the TRULY devoted Teachers and Parents of private schools.

Please Vote Rajnicek for Waukesha School Board on Tuesday.

She is the fiscally conservative candidate who is the only 1 of the 4 NOT endorsed by the teachers union.

@Karen, it is not that simple. Private school teachers start with a better product and most of the parents are already more commited to their kids education. That is why they pay a bunch of xtra money. The private school teacher has an easier job.

@Reagan. As far as I am concerned you have very little right to be talking about being fiscally conservative. It looks like you don't pay enough taxes to have an opinion on how the money gets spent. You have to bring something to the pot luck if you want to be able to eat.

Tea Party extreme? Look at the democrat agenda, thats some extreme leftist crap. Look at what the government has done in the last ten years under Bush and Obama Hussein: EXTREME financial irresponsibility. The combination of the two created the Tea Party and yes the people of the Tea Party are EXTREMELY pissed off that this county is being taken down the tubes and we the taxpayers are paying for it.

Why fight the Tea Party when we have the pretty much the same goals, and morals, as the Republicans? Wouldnt time be better spent fighting the democrats?

Look back a couple weeks ago to Madison, there was the union riots AND a Tea Party rally. The Tea Party people were NOT the ones breaking into buildings, refusing to follow police orders, threatening people, interfering with the ability of the government to legislate, etc. Now you tell me who the extreme ones are.

Article IV, §7
Organization of legislature; quorum; compulsory attendance. Section 7. Each house shall be the judge of the elections, returns and qualifications of its own members; and a majority of each shall constitute a quorum to do business, but a smaller number may adjourn from day to day, and may compel the attendance of absent members in such manner and under such penalties as each house may provide

Out of the State of Wisconsin’s Senate rules regarding quorums and attendance…

Senate Rule 15. Roll call, quorum. Before proceeding to business, the roll of the members shall be called, and the names of those present and those absent shall be entered on the journal. A majority of the membership presently serving must be present to constitute a quorum for the transaction of business; a smaller number, however, can adjourn; and may compel the attendance of absent members. When any roll call discloses the lack of a quorum, no further business may be conducted until a quorum is obtained, but the members present may take measures to procure a quorum or may adjourn.

Senate Rule 16. Leave of absence. Members of the senate shall not absent themselves from the session during the entire day without first having obtained leave of absence. Such leave may be granted by a majority vote of the senate at any time.

Sanchez, blaming Bush and Obama 50/50 for the creation of the tea party would be very unfair. Bush and everyone that voted for him created ths situation not Obama.

Sanchez, the reason Republicans and Democrats have a tough time buying into the tea party as a viable alternative is because your ideas of fixing the problem doesn't take account the disastreous consequences to our country. We know the car has to be fixed but we know we still need all four wheels. You guys don't.

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Diane and I went to a debate earlier this week and heard all 4 candidates for Waukesha School Board and it was obvious that 3 of the 4 are members and have been for some time. Rajnicek is the only one that is not currently on the board. She was the least articulate with her answers, but also with the most passion about her points. She is basically a mom who is fed up with the status quo of spend more, tax more and threaten the public to cut out programs if they balk at the next referendum. While she isn't totally up to speed on the current educational issues facing Waukesha, she obviously cares and has enough intelligence to formula a reasonable opinion.

Contrast that with the comments of one sitting candidate that "...Waukesha has all the best teachers..." . Along with the presumptuous and arrogant statements about the new grading system being so far superior to the traditional A - F grading system based on "... more that 7 years of study..". I am certain I heard in the next breath that it takes special training by the administrators and teachers to use the system. Where does that leave the parents? Or the students for that matter. It is obvious that this board member has been in the seat way too long to think that complex is better than simple, straightforward measures.

Dianes other half

She is the fiscally conservative candidate who is the only 1 of the 4 NOT endorsed by the teachers union.

@Diane or 1/2. I hope you realize that the research you provided does say COMPEL. Compel means you can force. But nothing there says that if you are unable to force the Senators to the vote that whatever they are doing to avoid the vote is illegal. Regarding consequences, this doesn't mean you can take away constitutional rights.

In summary, what you provided support my point not yours.

Well see, what you don't understand is that your plan takes away the engine too. And it akes away the driver, and the steering wheel and the transmission along with the STARTER. We Republicans and Democrats understand that we can take things like the air conditioning and shocks even if the ride might be a little bumpy. But taking everything that you guys want to take away will leave just the seats. And then when unemployment goes to 30%+ you are going to say geez I guess I should have taken out the calculator.

Senate Rule 16. Leave of absence. Members of the senate shall not absent themselves from the session during the entire day without first having obtained leave of absence. Such leave may be granted by a majority vote of the senate at any time.
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Was there a vote before the Democratic senators fled the state? Dont think so. They were elected to do a job. The minority does not get its way when they dont like the outcome. Elections have consequence - Walker was elected because people wanted change.

VOTE PROSSER

@ Foscal Conservative. I hope I am also allowed to help. Read my post again. It has nothing to do with bargaining rights in any Constitution.

Jrod, are you one of the people who think the tea party is all about Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck? Sarah and Glenn have just latched on to the popularity of the tea party. People like Ron Paul and Paul Ryan are who I see as great politicians. Your OPINION that their plans have " disastreous consequences to our country" is only that, an opinion. The GOP and Dems have both had their hands at the wheel in the last decade, maybe its time for some real "change"(fiscal conservatism) not the radical change the liberals are pushing for . Taking a chance on the tea party politics is no more of a gamble than taking a chance on the progressive agenda. The progressive agenda sure sounds expensive and if you are a Christian probably goes against some of your moral beliefs.

@Reagan, My point is clear. Since it is clear that you have danced around this point for a couple of days, I suspect you might have been backed into a corner.

I will make it clear for the benefit of others that are reading this blog.

I believe that no one has the right to call others "freeloaders" if they are "freeloaders" themselves.

ie. If your property taxes are not sufficient to cover the cost of your kids education then someone else's paycheck is paying for you children to go to school.

I have no problem with the way the system work, but when I see people that are getting a cushi deal turn against others because they are getting a cushi deal, I want to throw up. I find that disgraceful, hipocritical, egotistical and laughable.

You are in no position to cast a stone, like the Bible says.

@JRod, isn't Politifact from that bastian of unbiased accurate reporting source known as the Urinal-Sentinel? Regarding property taxes, I should be able to stop paying them now and never have to pay them again in order to educate my children then, right? I've paid tens of thousands in them and never sent my kid to public school for one minute.

Boy that Eugene B guy on here doesn't have any contorversial contacts, organizations or likes on his FB page if you look him up----GEEZ! Michael Moore, Ed Schultz? I will leave out the other "entities" dug up. Let me guess, you're a truther too? No offense Eugene, ahem, never mind, offense intended. You are part of the reason people like me are becoming the not so silent majority. Why don't people like you come right out and say things like. "I'm an unapologetic liberal that wants higher taxes, God out of schools, forced unionization, wealth re-distribution, and late-term abortion."--not to mention whatever Rachel Maddow scowled about that day--can't stand that guy either.

@Karen, if my interpretation were wrong and your correct the Dem 14 would have been arrested, fined etc.

Please don't tell me they weren't because the Republicans were just being nice.

The proof is in the puding. They can't do anything legal about it. Please!!!!

Conservative, you are lost.

I'm sure we could each start posting plenty of videos of MSNBC and FOX where either the entire video isn't shown or something is being presented out of context. In a recent poll 3 out of 4 MSNBC viewers wonderered where the other one was.

Not the way Fox does. Anyway you don't watch it so you I don't think can tell. I keep hearing his thing about I am sure we could thing but nothing ever comes of it. Thre have been rpublic etractions done by Fox that I have personally seen but not MSNBC.

Nice to see everybody playing so nicely today !! :-)
Had to help out the Prosser campaign today by putting out signs & literature. Great responses from people !

Attended the Republican party dinner last night at Country Springs. Fabulous event !! It was sold out ! Leftys were out in full lefty force as usual at Country Springs !!
One of the gals at our table said they called her a "billionaire" as she drove in and she drives a Ford Focus ! LOL
You just have to laugh at them. Always a great source of entertainment.

The left distorts far worse JRod. There was just a video going around FB trying to say--"look at FOX distort this story etc" It was a video from OReilly. The video the left was using from OReilly edited out what he said just before the video and they used it to try to say OReilly distorted the story. It was hilarious. So, unfortunately for you JRod, your side cannot monopolize the message anymore and people have alternatives as to where they get their information. I'd like to keep on typing but I have to get out the worlds smallest violin and get it tuned up.
Also, the Union thugs trying to intimidate people with their mis-spelled letters and threatening tone, so laughable and predictable. They scream, "hey, we're relevant, listen to us!". As I've said before, by the looks of Jimmy the Parrot, he's not intimidating anyone other than the local buffet owner.

To clarify my above comment, the video the left was using to say FOX distorted the story, was a distortion.

Nice to hear Payton, I commend your bravery on breaking through the petrulli curtain.

where can I get a Prosser sign for my yard and a I stand with Walker? I dont have money to donate though, times are tough.

thanks

@sanchez. I dont think you You dont have to make a contribution to get a sign. Prosser is out of campaign $ so I am not sure that you can get a sign. You can call 262-646-3073 to check. You can download a sign from the Prosser website and make your own yard sign. That's what we did - I made two. They are small, but very readable.

@Fiscal Conservative. We have done the same thing and will continue.

Sanchez,

They were out on Friday night and received some more on Saturday. However, those were almost gone by noon as well. No donation is needed, they are just so popular it is tough to keep them on the shelf. Follow Diane'ss advice and/or you can also call 522-2922 or stop by 1701 Pearl St. in Waukesha. Call 1st to make sure they have some or find out when more will be in.

Make sure to also vote Tuesday and tell all your friends and relatives how important this election is too!

Remind all your liberal friends that the election is Wednesday.

@ So, John Galt
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On a more serious note, I read on some blog or on Facebook or ??? that some people think the election is in November and if they knew the election is soon, they did not know which day. ARRRRGGGHHHHH

No offense Diane, but I dont care which side of the aisle someone is on, if they are that checked out they are not informed enough to vote--which generally favors our side.

Just saw a post on Facebook that teachers who protested in Madison boarded school buses (for transportation) - the buses werent needed because schools closed that day. Taxpayer buses, Taxpayer gasoline. How about recalls on school board members and superintendents for losing control of their district teachers?

Diane, the street around the Capitol is one way. It only goes Left.

There will no repercussions.

Did anyone see the pictures from the Zombie Walk in Madison today?

I saw some recall Lazich zombies in front of Piggly Wiggly on Racine on Saturday :)

Thanks to everyone for their info on the Prosser yard signs.

I will not forget to vote on Tues, I will also be voting Lloyd Carter, having a hard time voting for someone named "Carter" though ;) Jimmy Carter, second worst President trailing Obama Hussein.

There are Prosser yard signs at 1701 Pearl Street - upstairs. We did some phone calls this afternoon - most of them positive for Prosser!

Governor Walker is doing exactly what he said he would do, fix the fiscal mess this state is in. And it will take many steps to do this. The sad part is teachers have no clue that Walker is saving their jobs for the alternative was massive layoffs.

lollygagger Definition: a person who dawdles or fools around without achievement.
Thank you Governor Walker for stopping the Lollygarchy in this state.

@JROD To whom was your comment "No need for name calling" directed. Me about Zombies?

This last weekend provided me with the chance to confirm what I already suspected about us adults. All we are is children in older bodies. The challenges we have come upon during the last three or four years have been a test to our character and I think we all have failed misserably. I have seen a bunch of toddlers behave in a more civilized way at a McDonalds Playland than the most of the adults I have seen the last several months. It is trully pathetic to see All American 60+ year olds moving their respective signs in front of each other's like two year olds. I have seen grown "gentlemen" scream their point of view within inches of an older lady's face while the lady was talking back with a sweet grandma's type voice. Six foot plus men get out of their pickup trucks to YELL at small women for "bullying", to the point where police had to be called.
Do we still think we are the best nation and people in the world? We were. That was until our Chinese line of credit got us into financial trouble and we all became nothng but THUGS. Don't tell me this is what democracy is. Take a minute and think back 10 years ago and look at us now. You will not recognize us. To me it is clear that "the frabric of our nation" was nothing but the paper on which money is printed but underneath there is nothing but thugland.

Well JRod it has certainly opened my eyes & many others.
The union thugs have stooped to a new low in my opinion & all their followers are going right along with them desperately trying to hold on to their lavish entitlements. I think conservatives were really trying to deal with this in a civil manner but many are just plain fed up with all the "crap"(excuse my french) they are seeing & hearing. "Survival instinct" has kicked in with some of us as well & we are fighting back. I know "two wrongs, don't make a right" but I guess this is what it's come to.
I spoke with a ton of people over the weekend & many, many of my customers over the past week. I can tell you people are really fired up & tired of what is going on, tired of being taken advantage of.
This is going to be a very interesting election.

@JRod: Have you seen "The End of America", "Inside Job" or "Race to Nowhere"? I would love to know your thoughts on these movies. My eyes are opening. WHAT has happened to our country? And why is NO ONE following our constitution anymore???? How are polititians on both sides letting this happen? WHO is making all of this money and why is it okay with us? Why are we cannibalizing our neighbors? I realize I am preaching to the choir with you, but I can't believe this is happening!!!

@Diane @Reagan: Oh come on! The entire world was scammed by the financial industry--thus the GLOBAL recession. My guess is that you lost money too in your own retirement account. Blaming working class citizens and the school boards when we should be blaming the politicians on both sides for allowing this to happen is just stupid and partisan! Do you really think that the threat to our economy is coming from people who make less than 250K per year when the top 2% makes billions of dollars?

Watch the "Inside Job," and bring yourself up to speed. Your views are archaic. Middle class people have seen their worth decline by 23% while the top 2% has seen their wealth increase by 400%. The fact that most politicians and their corporate backers want us to hate our neighbor rather than arguing for more of the pie ourselves, is the downfall of this country. As working class citizens, we should be making 23% more by now than we were 30 years ago. Instead, we are making less in relation to inflation.

Growing up, we learned that firefighters, cops, nurses and teachers were the good guys and that is still true. That the top 2% wants to vilify them is evidence that the billionaires on both political sides want to cannibalize this country even more than they already are. How sick.

@Peyton: Congratulations on playing into the hands of the rich.

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So sad you are.....
One to many cups of coffee this morning. Take a deep breath.

@Payton: You are right, I do feel sad about what has happened to our country, our state and our community. I agree to disagree, but to dismiss me outright shows that your mind is closed to the big picture of what is happening right now. You would rather call me "sad" than to step out of your partisan comfort zone and consider that other sources of information might be true. G0od luck with that.

Heard on the radio..... there are twice as many government jobs as manufacturing jobs.....

AT&T, Verizon, and GE took subsidy $$$ to fund their OWN healthcare.

Where are we going?????

Reform needs to start somewhere - state employees have had lush benefits for years - at the expense of the tax payers.

Kelly, the tax rebate is from your messiah to his cronies at these big companies for supporting him. This comes right out of working tax payers pockets. Here is a link to information from the Washington Examiner.

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_040411/content/01125109.guest.html

It is from Rushes web site but it has the tex of the article. Many of you on here should spend alot of time on this site and actually read it instead of what your union or lafty leaders spew because most of them never listened or read anything from his radio or site.

"Obama is our President and deserves respect"

like the respect that the democrats had shown to GW jr in the past? Like the respect Obama has for "working together" when he called those who disagreed with the democrat agenda "the enemy".
Obama gets no respect from me, the enemy, and his agenda is disgusting.

I dont agree with Walkers choice to hire that 27 yr old kid. At least I am not a hypocritical liberal and bash people for not finishing college, bash someone for having DWIs, then turn around and vote for Chris Abele just because he is a liberal.

"And teachers are the enemy...Go figure."

No, union bosses are the enemy and taking taxpayer money and giving it to the democrats is sickening.

Teachers that want to defend the union bosses from the taxpayers are just feeling the taxpayers wrath. Solution: dont get in the way.

Phone calls for Prosser went great again tonight!!!

Also good news that the Journal/Sentinel endorsed Prosser over his opponent! Wow! I never thought I would see that. I guess their editorial board even knows how unqualified Klopp is.

@Sanchez: GW jr was President and deserved respect too. ANY President deserves respect, although we all have the freedom in this country to have our own opinions.

The office of President of the United States of America deserves respect. Period.

Take us off of your mailing list!!

@Jim

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@Fiscal Conservative, thank you for the links you posted to prove that MSNBC has maliciously doctored video but they don't prove that. In my post, I specifically said "doctored video". You provided me with links that address the report of erroneous information instead. Even though you got off track a little bit, let me say that in most of these cases I don't think the information was maliciously misreported. There were cases of failure to confirm or verify the information source. This is different than going out of your way to play with video with the intention of misreporting. The one I see is should have never happened was the one about the donations. I can's see how she could have come up with numbers that were so different.

Please, don't say Fox News is the most balanced source. We can't have serious discussions if you make statements like that.

@Fiscal Conservative, Barack Obama inherited a huge mess from the Bush administration. Having to deal with that, alone should earn your respect. On top of that he incrased our military forces in Afghanistan which is a conservitive's dream come true, he extended the Bush tax cuts to the rich, he compromised by leaving the public option out of the health bill, he has not taken a role in defense of the union workers, he is eliminating programs for the poor. What else do you want? He is more conservative than Reagan was.

If you think he is a socialist, you are not considering all the facts.

Dan B, I am going to pretend you did not say you used Rush L as your source of information.

in an interview with Univision radio, Obama urged Hispanic votes for Democrats, and said: "If Latinos sit out the election instead of, 'we're going to punish our enemies and we're going to reward our friends who stand with us on issues that are important to us' -- if they don't see that kind of upsurge in voting in this election, then I think it's going to be harder."

is the friend Obama intends to award GE? Sure looks like they are reaping the rewards from their campaign donation.

JRod, Obama hasnt taken a role in much at all. Oh wait I forgot about his final four picks, my bad.

You should also correct your statement: "Barack Obama inherited a huge mess from the Bush administration AND the Pelosi congress. " Coincidence that things seriously took a turn for the worse after the Pelosi regime took office?

@ Reagan. Good to hear the calls went well again Monday night. They did Sunday as well. Anxiously waiting for the results!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@ Sanchez Why do you take a statement that Obama made about immigration and use it in this blog to make an unrelated point about GE. I am going to assume you didn't know that because otherwise you would have been trying to deceive me and I don't think you would have been trying to do that. Maybe you have a p9oint, wrong choice of word because if you read the transcript you notice that only Rush and Beck would be able to make this sound like an attrocity.

@ Sanchez again, the same month that Obama became president Rush L said that the recesion was the "Obama's Recession". So here is a major conservative information source saying as fact what is absurd. Your comment about Pelosi is not quite as bold but in a similar neighborhood. I will reluctanly make you an offer. Pelosi was in power for about 18 months when all hell broke loose. For you to make a Pelosi statement like that you have to ignore the balanced budget he inherited and the prior six years that Bush was president. Let's say then that the fault falls 60 Bush 40 Pelosi. My last offer.

@Karen Pierce, if the Dem 14 broke the law, why haven't there been penalized in any of the many ways available. Can you please shed some light on this? Thank you in advance.

I am thinking it's the same reason Katherine W has not been charged for sending a SERIOUS DEATH THREAT to WI senators.
They are all above the law .. at least in their minds.

Notice to PROSSER supporters:
There is a message today on Facebook on the I STAND WITH SCOTT WALKER page:

ALERT!: WE NEED VOLUNTEERS TOMORROW--PLEASE CONTACT info@justiceprosser.com with your name/county/phone/e-mail . Help stop voter fraud!

We will do what we can to help.

Thnx Diane !!!
I will check that out..
I just heard ballot shredding has taken place at one polling location(probably more)...what a surprise ! ARGH !!

You mean the Republicans were caught cheating again? Bummer. Might have to go to those hanging chads in the future to get ahead. (Wink)

No class what so ever...no surprise there. (wink)

OMG...Kloppy sounds as dumb as she looks...

wow, you liberals sure talk about Rush and FoxNews a hell of a lot more than us conservatives do, or at least my circle of friends and family.....

Yeah, there's no voter fraud

http://punditpress.blogspot.com/2011/04/wisconsin-city-caught-destroying.html

PRISSY just can't handle losing. Just like you can't handle name-calling unless it is a republican doing it.

But Karen can say Kloppy and it's all okay, right. Really?

@Sanchez, Rush has no counterpart to compare to. Amuse me. Tell me who you think is our liberal "Rush".

I get it now. Anything over six letters in it and suddenly you guys forget how to spell. No wonder Ellie May won. Stupid is as stupid does.

@ Kelly, you were saying.....? I can't stop laughing at your people. Good thing you don't want to do anything about changing elections here in WI. Keep up the good work lefties. HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Guess you're just gonna have to get those bongos and birkenstocks back out of the closet. Also, might I suggest that you spend lots of time and energy in an effort to recall Mary Lazich? Please Please Please keep trying, I love the entertainment.

....and before you liberals start saying the Repubs cheated, the Democrat canvass person just said everything was on the up and up in Brookfield. Either way, can we all agree we need election reform here in WI?

Lets see..
Obama said to Klopburg DENIED
Doyle said to Klopburg DENIED
Wisconsin 2011 said to Klopburg DENIED
Sorry, time to hop back on the broom & fly back to the land of OZ

Ok I was caught up in the moment.....that was just mean. I take it back !!
The broom part, not the denied part !!

News of the Prosser lead last night.
PRICELESS !

@everyone, can we all do the following exercise; pull out your wallets look for the plastic named Wisconsin Driver's License and pay particular attention to the date in red, more specifically the last four digits, determine your age and then review YOUR own posts in this blog. The last part is the most important, see if the posts you made are consistent with the determined age and should there be a discrepancy you might seriouly consider u might want to consider contacting MVD to receive a corrrected document. Finally, next time one of our kids behave in a way we might not understand for heir age, let's take it easy on them.