Wonderful Whine Country in Wisconsin.

Hey Jimmy, I will also collect there $50 when Walker gets convicted by the John Doe probe.

Another 4,300 private sector jobs lost in Wisconsin. Is this Walker's idea of exceptionalism?

@Keith -

Considering that you're one of the six people in the entire country that actually believes the biggest whopper of them all, the radio/television advertising campaign which declares "we're the United States Postal Service, and we care," forgive me if I don't take your assessment of this situation all that seriously.

Even the Daily Kos poll shows Walker ahead of his closest Democratic rival by 5 points or more. Remember, the bet is a first in time proposition - either wins in the recall or gets convicted of a criminal charge.

BTW - I don't take personal checks!

Rest with the real Hoffa... you sound just like him, typical Waukesha Republican crook who can't deal with an honest legal issue...

consider the source, Faux News

No, it just shows a "poll where Americans are seeking FAIRNESS."

The does NOT relate to the Moammar Walker VOTER ID LAWS!

It is unconstitutional; Just about everything Moammar Walker does is unconstitutional, evil and undemocratic...

Fortunately for REAL citizens of Wisconsin, we will be able to throw bananas at Moammar Walker, in his jail cell... soon!

You can find a way to deal with the fact that you supported Wisconsin's greatest crook ever...

Blind people do not SEE...

It can't happen soon enough.

I agree. We can do it ourselves!

You are one sick puppy!

I would say the same of U.S. Supreme Court Chief Justice Roberts, who chose to re-argue instead of rule on the state-level Citizens United case (Michigan) that has now rolled back 50 years of campaign finance law. Thanks to activist justice Roberts, super PACs and unfettered corporate/wealth interest are distorting the election process. Justices are given lifetime appointments so that they may serve above party politics. So much for that.

THAT is what hypocrisy looks like.

This is what DEMOCRACY looks like...

@Noble Nygaard -

When was the last time you saw 50,000+ of us "repugs" banging on drums, blowing on plastic horns, and parading around the state capitol with homemade signs depicting Hitler when we didn't get our way?

Yeah, that's what I thought.

James, the Tea/GOP has never been able to muster that many supporters to my knowledge, not even when the astroturf was shiny and new! ; )

@Bren -

It only appears that way because the "TeaGOP" usually sets its biggest rallies for election days. Otherwise, we're busy working and contributing to society. Wasn't that made clear in 2010?

@James R Hoffa

You Rethugs are not that coordinated...

We don't. Hence the need for voter ID. Glad you've expressed your concern and I assume that means you support the Voter ID law.

Voter ID is the only way to stop Republicans from doing that.

How true... they all have their loin cloths on and are carrying burning crosses... sameness, like lameness, personifies the Rethugs...

That statement would be funny if it weren't so stupid. The majority wants voter ID- both parties, not one.
Many dead have continued to vote for years after passing, I have seen names of deceased still on the poll lists, as someone who knew they were dead I could have called a friend from another district to cast a vote in the dead person's name. I have several people that I know who have died in the past year, and if were not illegal to cast votes in their name I would do it to prove voter fraud exists. Just because you do not know where to look doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Kinda like you would never know your cable TV is out of service if you never turn on your TV...Is that simple enough for you to comprehend allmighty Noble one?

Craig, the "majority support" for voter ID bills is a paean to the success of ALEC in manufacturing a crisis in order to benefit Big Business through GOP dominance.

I believe most people take their voting rights seriously. Since the few incidences of fraud are caught there is no reason for the bill.

Morninmist reported that Yum! Brands was the latest company to back away from ALEC in recent days. Yum! is in good company, along with Coca Cola, Pepsi, Kraft, Intuit, McDonald's Corporation, Wendy's. These companies realize that the ALEC agenda is not a good agenda, and they are intended to be the beneficiaries! (No surprise that Koch Industries is sticking with its pet special interest group).

Time for voting Americans to back away from ALEC and their manufactured voter fraud crisis.

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Bren: Just look three comments below this for my version of a cut and pasted reply. This way I need no footnote.
As a true independant, (gag) you should want elections to be 100% corruption free.

Craig, statistically our elections are close to error/fraud free. .000005 or 15 incidents out of 3,000,000+ votes cast in 2010. As pointed out by myself and others, those incidents would not have been prevented by the ALEC Voter ID bill currently under discussion.

Bren: "statistically our elections are close to error/fraud free"
How would we know if we do not check?
If a tree falls in the woods, and noone is there to hear it- does it make a sound?

When's the last time you voted in a forest? There are poll workers at every polling station. No one receives a ballot sheet unless they have checked in. Each address is tied to a specific polling station.

Manufactured.Crisis.

You said it best, Noble Nygaard!

@Craig

As a dead person, who do you have ghost writing your stupid and ill-informed posts?

The constitution requires voters to be US citizens, for all you want to be constitutional scholars. The government does have the right to require verification of this.
Sorry, Liberals, find another fight.

Wilson must have been kicked around a lot as a child on the playground. Attitude and brain damage buddy....

gbp, could you describe the scenario by which voter fraud by impersonation could take place? When I vote there are poll workers to check addresses and register first-time voters, etc. It has never happened, but do you not believe that there wouldn't be a report filed if someone showed up to vote and their name was crossed off? And wouldn't those reports be picked up by the media if this was occurring in any volume?

The voter ID laws are ALEC-based legislation as part of the overall strategy to promote the interests of Big Business-by working to ensure the dominance of the Big Business-friendly Republican Party.

The question isn't are people smart enough to go through the process of procuring voter ID, but why they are being asked to when the 2010 election yielded fewer than 20 incidences in the 3,000,000 votes cast. (I point out that the voter ID bill on the table would not have stopped those incidents-mostly eligibility errors-from happening). So let's preserve our Constitutionally-protected right to vote and save $5-$6 million dollars at the same time. That's being patriotic and fiscally conservative!

Bren is right gbp - ALEC is responsible for pushing Voter ID down our throats.

Forget about the FACT that poll after poll consistently shows that over 70% of the voting age residents in the state actually support the Voter ID legislation, as what a majority of the public wants was never all that important to Democrats anyway. Yep, it's that shady front group known as ALEC that's really responsible for everything that is going down in Madison today.

Just be sure to keep your doors locked and windows closed, otherwise ALEC just may find its way into your home as well! You've been warned.

Thank you Bren for reminding of us of the true evil that is really behind Voter ID legislation.

Mr. Hoffa, sorry that you seem to be taking a pounding elsewhere on Patch this week!

But thank you for reinforcing my point that voter fraud has been inflated to Staypuft Marshallow Man monster proportions. The majority of Americans believe they are against the Affordable Care Act as well--until they learn what it actually is. Each point then receives overwhelming support from Republicans, Democrats, and Independents. (No surprise there.)

@Bren, Hi, my name is Eric Holder and I live at 321 Main Street, Washington DC can I have a ballot please? It's that easy to impersonate a registered voter because poll workers have no way to verify voters without photo ID requirements:

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/04/08/DC-Polling-Place-Holder-Ballot

Considering how much power is at stake only a fool would believe there is no voter or election fraud taking place, perhaps we should have the IRS make the same assumption about every tax return? We need photo ID and other common sense protections of our elections to prevent fraudsters from stealing elections.

Explain how a small non-profit found more cases of voter fraud in one year (2008) than the Department of Justice found in five?

http://www.electionintegritywatch.com/documents/2011-Report-Voter-Fraud-Convictions.pdf

Money quotes:
"The actual number of illegal votes cast was in the thousands. Most unlawful voters were never charged with a crime because they simply pled ignorance. We have evidence of these people casting illegal ballots, but in Minnesota, ignorance of election law is considered to be an acceptable defense."

"While some ineligible felon voters registered in advance of the election and should have been flagged for challenge, the overwhelming majority who evaded detection used Election Day Registration, which currently has no mechanism to detect or prevent ineligible voters."

Hey BREN, Last I looked the DEMOCRAT party is the party in bed with big business. Both parties have been bought off.

Johnny, I couldn't agree more!!

Sorry to annoy you, but even Iraqis would be upset if their ability to vote hinged on showing documentation that they did not possess in order to get their IDs. Bear in mind, many of these people are legally registered voters who have already proved their age and US citizenship long ago by means that were legal at the time.

Johnny Blade, voting doesn't for a democracy make. There are many countries that have elections that are not democratic. Voting is a Constitutionally-protected right and should not be targeted by ALEC as a strategy to ensure GOP/Big Business dominance.

Atta boy Johnny Blade! You can slice and dice it anyway you like, but a FRAUDULENT election doesn't allow a true democratic republic.
Without voter ID, we have to rely on the numbers from the GAB, which we know is about as useful as teets on a Boar.

Johnny, you really are far sicker than you comprehend...

I've been looking for schools with the windows boarded up, teachers selling apples on street corners, widows, orphans and the elderly digging through dumpsters in search of something to eat and reports of bodies stacked up like cordwood for lack of proper medical care, all courtesy of the Walker administration, but I'm not having any luck at all. You guys thrive on the unprovable - this shouldn't even register on your scale.

You're also assuming all the poor, elderly and minorities who'll be "disenfranchised" (more like slighty inconvenienced in most cases) are Democrats. Guess what - it applies to Republicans and Independents as well. What could be more fair than that?

@Noble Nygaard -

So, convictions are the only scientific proof positive way to determine if something is in fact occurring or not, is it? By that standard, I guess littering doesn't happen either, as it's extremely difficult to find any convictions of such criminal activity. Only one thing then - could you please explain to us why there is new refuse in the ditch along the road that fronts my property on an almost daily basis. Must be aliens, right? And why the need for the Adopt-A-Highway program - after all, littering just doesn't happen cause there's no convictions.

As to your disenfranchisement argument, we had an election back in February when the Voter ID law was in effect. How many complaints of voter disenfranchisement because of the Voter ID legislation were received by either the GAB, the ACLU, etc? In fact, I didn't hear of single complaint being registered with anyone, did you? And a complaint is much easier to make than proving a conviction in a court of law, isn't it?

Try again without flawed logic next time.

@JRH -- I think the refuse along your road is proof that littering is taking place, whether or not the litterer is caught and punished. Where is the mass protest from registered voters showing up at the polls only to find that *someone* has already voted in their name?

You could just as easily argue that a dragon alights on my roof every night and is smart enough to leave before I can photograph it in the morning. So how can I prove it has never happened?

@Randy1949 -

Unless AMC's 'The Walking Dead' is in fact coming true and the dead are in fact rising and protesting the fact that someone else had already voted under their name, I'm guessing that would be a little hard for the dead to do. Not to mention all the people still on the roles that have since moved - it's a little hard to get upset and complain about something that you yourself would have no way of knowing actually occurred, would it?

As to the dragon nesting on your roof every night, didn't you mention on a past board having to take up a re-roofing project this summer ;-)

@JRH -- So we're worried about the old 'dead people voting' are we? Don't you think that's more a problem of an inefficiently maintained database that would compare death certificates against voter registration lists?

As for dragon damage to the roof, I'll let you know if i find any claw marks or piles of dragon-droppings.

That's the whole problem Nygaard. Think about the process without Voter ID.
You walk into the polling place.
You give a name to the polling worker.
You get your ballot.
You vote.
You leave.
You go to another polling location.
You give a name to the polling worker.
You get your ballot.
...
Unless someone hears you and knows you aren't that person, no one will know if it you are the correct voter or not.

We know there have been over votes in Milwaukee for YEARS.
Don't believe it? Check out this:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122576113489495571.html

Or

http://dailycaller.com/2010/11/23/the-voter-fraud-hall-of-shame-milwaukee-voter-fraud-conviction-makes-acorn%E2%80%99s-2010-total-at-least-15/

I can relate to that!

Have you Rethugs seen Willard and his cohort, Paulie Ryan, attempting to buy votes by giving people FREE Cousin's Subs?

This is a clear VIOLATION of Wisconsin LAW!

But, what the hell, Rethugs do what they want, damn the LAW...

They are not poll taxes, they are not Jim Crowe laws. Quit the BS. If you read the law, all these scenarios are covered. IF these costs are truly and issue, than I have no problem setting up funds to pay for the costs to get the ID cards for individuals. We spend money on far less important things. This can be done. We need Voter ID.

@ Mr Angry

Time to take an ANGER MANAGEMENT course... you make no sense...

John, its not that complicated. When someone votes who is not supposed to vote or is voting multiple time, they are disenfranchising legitimate voters. read my other post., we can resolve all of your supposed concerns.

The Wall Street Journal is a blog? That must mean the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel, the Wisconsin State Journal and the Capital Times are as well. Going by Noble's definition, all media stories are blogs.

so
"he report found that between 4,600 and 5,300 more votes were counted in Milwaukee than the number of voters recorded as having cast ballots."
Or
"Absentee ballots were cast by people living elsewhere"
Or
"ineligible felons not only voted but worked at the polls"
Or
"transient college students cast improper votes"
Or
"and homeless voters possibly voted more than once."

Don't bother you. You don't think Voter ID would stop most of this? I know you do know it, but that roughly 5,000 votes are strategically placed where they can do the most good.

And tell me how do you know there is no voter impersonation fraud? Unless someone actually knows the voter, there is no way of knowing until it is too late.

Remember, Al Gore won Wisconsin by less than 6,000 votes in 2000. This time it may be even closer.