"Subcome", huh Jeanne? Your literacy fits with the republican/ fascist/fatcat party of your allegiance . Enjoy your namecalling - it's really all you guys have left!

Go ahead... But do you really think he cares? He wanted your vote last November. And now neither your support nor peoples protests don't bother him in the least. People don't matter to him. So enjoy being used big time.

No offense MW Mom, but you're delusional if you think Democrats legislate from the bench and Republicans don't Ever heard of extending citizenship to corporations? Overturning bipartisan legislation to keep corporate AND union money out of politics even though the Constitution neither includes money as a form of "speech" nor extends those rights to business?

Stop watching Faux News and start looking at the real world.

wwjd,
You call it legislating from the bench and I call it exercising the power to balance overly aggressive executive branches and rubber stamping legislative branches.

wwjd,
I suggest that you read both the state and federal constitution concerning separation of powers. It is the role of the courts to decide what is constitutional from instruments that were specifically written vaguely and in an open ended fashion. Also courts depend on precedence to interpret the law drawing upon decisions and trains of thought. That does not represent legislation but philosophically consistency. The courts protect from rapid change that can and often are driven by the whimsy and current passions of the public. Designed as a conservative institution, it is necessary for justices to serve long tenures so that they are resistant to the changes of the political climate.

WWJD, you cannot be serious. Maybe you should head back to 3rd grade and learn about the system of checks and balances that the founding fathers put in place in our government. Ring a bell? The job of the court is SPECIFICALLY to check the over-reachng of elected officials. It was created to be more independent specifically to avoid the madness of crowds syndrome that can happen when unconstitutional ideas become temporarily popular. Also, longer terms of service are supposed to make them less tied to party affiliation (although states that elect judges, like ours, sort of thwart this idea).

You sound as bad as Fitzgerald telling us a judge had "no right to comment on the legality of how the legislature passes laws". Of COURSE they do, that's the entire point of having 3 equal branches of government that all check one another.

Get real Digest.
Look at her court cases. She's the only one with real experience.
So put your glasses on and read.

Vote For Kloppenburg

Let me help you be less bewildered. The Koch brothers support policies that advance their immediate self interest. Soros witnessed the horrors of the Nazi take over and doesn't want something similar from happening here in terms of an authoritarian takeover, so he tends to support policies that advance his immediate self interest.

No, traitors who are attacking our democratic system.

I guess you have a different definition than I do concerning whose a patriot. First and foremost the Koch Brothers are business men. Their libertarian philosophy is in support of their business interests. If one looks at their activities, it is business first. They are great philanthropists donating hundreds of millions to the support of the arts. They also tend to not involve themselves in social conservative issues such as Right to Life, etc. They are interested in only one thing; business deregulation and to abolish unions that protect worker's rights. There brand of patriotism projects plutocracy as the only leadership the nation needs or wants.

Reagan's Disciple,
One man's rationality is another man's insanity. Rationality is probably not a term you want to employ since anything can be rationalized whether the assumptive foundation is sound or not. If you want to say Prosser is the clear choice for conservative focused Wisconsinites, then that follows true. What will be telling, is after the election, if enough conservatively focused Wisconsinites turned out to re-elect him. If Kloppenburg wins, then it is obvious that one has to consider that there aren't as many conservative Wisconsinites as you may think or that they were not committed enough to turn out to support their conservative candidate; especially given the fact that he's the incumbent.

Keith,
I agree that Kloppenburg is a clear choice if we don't want to permanently shift the balance of power to the Libertarians. Since the courts are the third element in the separation of powers, then it is imperative that it should remain independent to check the power grab by the executive and his rubber stamp legislature. The state's future rests on one person right now and that is Kloppenburg. All of us that see the danger of the current political situation should be out actively supporting her and making sure her campaign is well funded.

Reagan's Disciple,
A fundamental principle of the court's role in the constitution is to limit the power of the other two branches, called the Separation of Powers. The authors of the Constitution were very clear about this. The courts were designed to prevent excesses of power by the other two branches by giving the assumed power, exercised under John Marshall, to interpret the constitutionality of the other two's actions. However, this does not mean that the courts don't exercise partiality in their decisions even though they are supposed to be impartial; they are human beings. The courts traditionally have been given great latitude in their decisions and they have ranged from extreme conservatism to extreme liberalism. One man's "legislation from the bench" is another man's view of defending social justice. As far as taking a civics class, I much prefer my philosophy and political science classes.

If it is not the case that the Supreme Court is there to offset the legislative and executive branches, why then does the GOP want to capture it?

OK Disciple, let's get it on. In your statement "The court's purpose is to make sure the other branches are adhering to the constitution and enforce laws." I agree, the State Judiciary was constitutionally established to review the constitutionality and actions of the other two branches; the legislative and executive branches. However, I do not agree that the courts are to enforce laws, which is the function enumerated by the state constitution exclusively to the executive branch. Unlike the U.S. Constitution, the Wisconsin State Constitution concerns itself primarily with the establishment and administration of the Judiciary. Since the establishment of the State Supreme Court, through the process of rendering decisions the court's authority and scope has become better defined and expanded. The court has determined that they have a constitutional duty, through the interpretation of the Constitution's Preamble, to protect the rights and welfare of the individual citizens of the State of Wisconsin from government actions that harm the general welfare. The Supreme Court doesn't have to wait for laws to come up through the system, they can initiate a constitutional review at any time. Utilizing the Constitution, powers that they have granted themselves, case law and precedent and previous rulings; the State Supreme Court can and does work as a check and balance to the other two branches of State government.

Bewildered,
I think it might wind up in the U.S. Supreme Court. Now whether the US Supreme Court will decide to hear the case, that's a different matter. If it goes against the Republican majority, I am sure it will go to the federal courts. It's too important a case and the nation is watching. As usual Wisconsin leads the way.

Regan's Disciple, judging in criminal and civil cases is not enforcement either. The courts cannot taken action unless the other branch's bring cases before the courts, primarily the executive branch. Only Supreme Court Judicial Review can be done without the other two branches bringing it before the courts. Enforcement can best be described as application of legislated statute. The courts decide through presented evidence if a violation of statute in fact has occurred. If so they are charged with imposing fines and other penalties, including incarceration. I don't think the BRB will be challenged on constitutional grounds but will be challenged due to the Open Meetings statutes and if the Joint Conference Committee violated that statute. Even if it is found that they did and the courts overturn the legislation, the legislators can still pass it and have it to be constitutional. I don't know what other challenges could be made which would force it into the federal courts.
From my reading on Kloppenburg, I doubt seriously that she would legislate from the bench. She has worked both for a Democratic and Republican AGs and has argued cases before the high court. She also worked as a clerk for Shirley Abrahamson and understands how the court operates. Prosser has a well known record and will be judged on that record.

I suspect that he would, if re-elected, continue to rule as he has for the last ten years. His conservative credentials are well established and the Republicans are counting on him to help get the redistricting through. If Prosser is re-elected, the Republicans will have pulled off a "hat trick" and the potential for an elected tyranny.

Bewildered,
The challenge will probably come concerning Gerrymandering, this is usually the reason given. However, challenging the census counts can also be a reason. If the Gerrymandering is too extreme then the courts will rule as such. Some of the famous cases heard by the Supreme Court involved Gerrymandering.

Very busy in city of Waukesha too.

Get out and vote Waukesha. I think it comes down to Waukesha County vs. Dane County for the win. Fox Valley and the rest of the state will equalize the Milwaukee vote.

Call your friends and relatives! Send out email reminders!

Reagan's Disciple,
Why don't you point out that JoAnne Kloppenburg cannot tell the "third party" who is running the ad to not run it or change it. If she attempts to modify their message then she violates the government funding law. Also, no one is stupid enough to ask Prosser's "third party" supporters to change or pull their misleading ads. Let's get the stories straight and consistent.

Lyle,

Please tell me you are smarter than that. Of course there are ads on both sides, but the Kloppenberg ad is a complete lie that also against what the actual victims in the case state happened. It is both offensive and untrue, plus it is backfiring on her.

If you really don't believe Joanne has the ability to ask them to stop this ad, you need to become more active and knowledgeable in the management campaigns at all levels of government. In the end, Joanne calls the shots whether it is for her or a 3rd party. If she doesn't want it on the air, it would not be played.

Reagan's Disciple,
If it is as you say, which it isn't; then Prosser is also in control of the third party ads he is running. By the way, I have plenty of campaign and lobbying experience and Kloppenburg is only following the law.

Elaine Blonigen,
The charges that you have levied against Kloppenburg as a liberal activist attorney are unfounded. Please site your sources to back up your claim and if you can't then stay off the posting.

Lyle,

Are you honestly kidding? Just google "Kloppenberg DNR attorney" and start clicking away. I came up with 25,900 results and articles. Suing farmers over not planting grass on their land, a restaurant to close to a lake, not allowing homes to be built on private property that people already owned and had permits and a mortgage are just the first few. You can look at he other 25,897 links if you would like.

Reagan's Disciple,
How can you claim she is an environmentalist attorney when she has worked for the state AG's office for the past 21 years. She is only prosecuting cases that are covered by state statute and not private civil cases. Her job is as a state prosecutor, not a civil attorney.

No, I never said it was. But hypocrites usually only get upset with one side. I wouldn't have appointed someone like that myself. Let's hear your denouncement of Peg and how embarrassing that was.

You might want to read her own website!

"Her legal experience is broad and deep and inlcudes constitutional law, appellate law, civil litigation and environmental prosecution.."

She has made her name prosecuting citizens for the WI DNR. You may not like the label, but a duck is a duck. The term environmentalist attorney is not exclusive to private practice alone. It is a legal philosophy of prosecuting and fighting issues using an environmentalist mindset whether you work for the state or in private practice.

I'm sorry, but throwing a farmer in jail becasue he will not plant grass on his own land is not the type of legal philosphy that I am encouraged by.

Reagan's Disciple,
Your definition doesn't cut it. If she didn't prosecute the cases, then what would you call it? I call it malfeasance. It is time to recognize that even if she does privately support environmentalism, which neither you or I know since she has not publicly announced her position, she is willing to carry out state statutes that she has been charged to protect. This is a good argument supporting her claims that she will not be an activist justice. Prosser has a long biased history and it's no secret where he stands. Her credentials are impeccable; whereas Prosser is tainted by his active conservatism. I worry more about him legislating from the bench. The case of Justice Gableman is a prime example of not holding a fellow conservative's feet to the fire for the campaign lies he directly controlled. From everything you have said, let me guess; you're not an environmentalist and probably think that global warming is just a leftist lie.

It is the vigor in which she prosecutes the cases that gives her the label.

As for Prosser, he was appointed by Thompson after being unanimously recommended by a non-partisan commission. Prosser is independent and rules based on the laws, which is why he was recommended by that commission and also why the JS has recently endorsed him against Joanne. As you are aware, the left needs to paint a picture of the man to be something he is not. If Prosser were to be viewed as what he really is, he would win in a landslide. Now with the lies, I'm just hoping he wins.

How ironic you mention Gableman, I saw Mike last night. Great guy and Justice!

Keith, I plan to head out today and talk to people about their feelings on the election, which race is most important, ect. Will you be out today? I would love to talk with you. How about anyone else? I'd like to personally meet those of you who take the time to comment. You can certainly reply on here, or shoot me an email at: sarah.worthman@patch.com. You can also call/text me at: 414-412-5561. Hope to hear from you soon!

Keith,

Are you disgusted with the Illinois unionistas invading our state and capital building too? It seems to me and others in the state that the out-of-state faction is definitely more supportive of the left than the right.

Please stop the "non-partisan" line as nobody really believes it. The people who state, "non-partisan" or "independent" are usually just liberals trying to come across as moderates. Anyone can read your posts and see that you are anything but independent.

With your own reasoning you also seem to not have a problem supporting a candidate who is essentially running by opposing a law that has not even been posted yet. Where is that independence which you so much desire?

The above is entirely untrue and done for humor only!

... I wonder how many times our former AG Lautenschlager was drunk and didn't get caught either. How proud were you then? Or... doesn't that count because she was a democrat?

Not pretending to be, nor is Walker... but the name alone has certainly shown it riles up you lefties on all the blogs here.

Reagan's Disciple,
Your worship of St. Reagan says volumes about you. We have been living through Reagan's mess for the last thirty years and with the new awareness of the extreme right wing agenda, the public is finally going to swing back to a moderate position.

Not sure what "worship" you are referring? It's a screen name that I now see really riles up you lefties. In fact, I don't believe that I have ever brought up his name other than as a screen moniker.

Although I will admit that I have found some joy in the fact the screen name upsets so many lefties here. Not really sure why, but everyone seems to hyper-focus on it.

Who is crying? What is inappropriate? She was an AG who was caught driving drunk. I'm only a father and husband and still I'm smarter than driving around after drinking, much less being the AG and not having that common sense. I was simply responding to a claim about Walkers appointee that someone on the left inferred, that he was probably doing it more often than the two times he was caught. Turnabout is fair play isn't it? Plus, it is really simple. Don't respond to me if you don't like what I have to say.

As for the Reagan screen name...
Repost from above...

It's a screen name that I now see really riles up you lefties. In fact, I don't believe that I have ever brought up his name other than as a screen moniker.

Although I will admit that I have found some joy in the fact the screen name upsets so many lefties here. Not really sure why, but everyone seems to hyper-focus on it.

Peg, lost the primary and much of it was lefties holding her accountable for her D.U.I.

I wouldn't have appointed him, but I also didn't vote for Peg. I wasn't the one who started the bashing of anyone. That seems to be your job.

I hold everyone to a high standard. No hypocrisy here.

@mjc

Read BETWEEN the lines.

Is that the voice of our resident "non partisan" and independent? Nice try Kelly and way to show your true colors.

I bet Kelly is someone who respects Reagan for what he stood for, like his sane son Ron. But we know how that drives you righties nuts.

I had hopes for Walker, but he's shown HIS true colors. I'm still non-partisan, but given Walker's latest antics with hiring a mistress and an unqualified drunk, I can't vote for anything associated him, including Prosser. In the future, who knows? Again, I had hopes for Walker, but he's shown HIS true colors.

sanchez,
My friend, for your information it is the libertarian agenda that Walker, Stone and Prosser share. The only kool aid being drunk is the libertarian kool aid that the Koch Bros. and the Bradley Foundation are mixing up. The sad thing is that you don't even know that you have been drinking it.

sanchez,
Thank you for your honesty. Unfortunately others are not so forthcoming about their true philosophy.

Even though they are older doesn't mean they can't see through your bs. If you voted for kloppenburg we all know full well there is only one person your worried about....

Unfortunately they listen to people they think are looking out for their best interests, only to find out people like Kelly just scare them for their vote. It's amazing how low liberals stoop to try to get their way. They say they are for the kids, elderly, poor and handicapped yet every one of social programs is more corrupt than the next and they will keep insisting we need to throw money at it.

Progressives showed last night that Walker and company doesn't have a mandate as he claimed. Remember, this was only the first skirmish. We have to maintain the momentum to win this political conflict. Next on the list is to finish up getting the recall signatures on Senator Darling. Then insure the progressive candidates win the recalls. We only need 3 senate seats to shift the balance of power and bring sanity back to Wisconsin. Also, I urge those who want to testify before the Joint Budget Committee to get your testimony ready. The budget hearing is coming up in West Allis. For all of our friends in Conservative Lands of Waukesha, Washington and Ozaukee counties, good job and we have your back.

Lyle,
Walker and company don't, not doesn't.

Aside from that I'm not at all surprised at the results of last night's vote (well actually I am, I thought Prosser would lose and that remains to be seen so far). You guys are the masters at creating the perception of a victim class exploited by an imaginary consortium of evil rich folk. And in tough times, who doesn't prefer to be a victim of evil overlords rather than a victim of their own largesse?

So we'll see how this whole progressive thing goes. How will Wisconsin fair in light of its decision to make itself as unattractive as possible to business investment? Can we tax those who have to remain here (ie, the very folks who can't afford to move somewhere else to avoid punitive taxation) enough to support the publicly created jobs and supplementary handouts that will be the bread and butter of our progressive utopia? How much can we squeeze out of the left-behinds to subsidize wind farms and other pie-in-the-sky eco-green-brainfart-incubators that will produce minimal jobs while increasing the costs associated with living in your vision of nirvana?

All questions we'll have to answer at some point in the future. Because I truly do believe you guys have won and will continue to win. But make no mistake, Wisconsin has not won - not in the long term. And I do blame Walker for that because he didn't learn the lessons of '08. Never underestimate the public's desire to be victims.

Bob,
I haven't seen much of your postings lately. I am glad your sharing with us again. I disagree with your statement about turning everything into victimization. I acknowledge that their are people out there who are victims of circumstances out of their control. However, the vast majority white non-Hispanics are pretty much free agents and must live with the consequences of their actions or lack of actions. From my perspective I don't see anything wrong in leveling the playing field so that people pretty much have an equal opportunity to achieve their potential.
My vision of the future embraces the idea that Wisconsin and the other "rust belt" states need to move beyond the traditional smoke stack industries and get cracking on the information economy. We all need to cooperate to make that happen. Our education system needs to adapt to the new reality, our private investment needs to focus on hi-tech start-ups, and we need to set up small business enterprise zones in the inner cities to bring hi-tech manufacturing to a waiting and willing under utilized workforce. Bob, I believe it needs to be a win-win for everyone. Nirvana, no; but a more just society, yes.
I trust your observations-what is your sense of yesterday's election in WFB? Did the vote for Prosser and Kloppenburg split 50-50?

I have now idea how the counts went in the Bay - I suspect slightly more to the right than in Shorewood.

I do know that when I saw the large turnout and recall petitioners at my polling place that it meant the left was out in full force. They've whipped themselves into a frenzy for over a month, blown everything way out of proportion, satisfied themselves that they're fighting the evil rich (read that, Republican rich - they have no problem with Chris Abele, even though he embodies everything they hate about Walker and Jim S. combined) and were able to keep the fervent froth of manufactured outrage flowing long enough to get themselves to the polls in record numbers. They were assisted by the teeter totter pilots we politely refer to as independents who bent to the hard wind like tall grass as they always do. That's all it took really. That's all it ever takes.

Bob,
Don't sound so down, you know that everything changes but still remains the same. Within a short period of time complacency will return to those motivated by the past three months. It's my role to try to keep my camp motivated, but in the real world too many's attention span is short.
As far as I'm concerned Chris Abele is on a one year probation and if he doesn't perform then we find someone who will. I don't know about you, but I'm tired of rhetoric and no solid action. Funny, I don't consider Scott Walker as rich. His ideology is what I object to. I am distrustful of extremists, whether right or left. I knew members of the SLA and I stayed clear of them along with Abbey Hoffman and Alan Ginzberg. I was at a few demonstrations where Hoffman showed up and I left.
In general, I don't have a problem with people of wealth. I am more interested in using wealth to create opportunity to alleviate social injustice. I hate the welfare entitlements. I prefer making work opportunities so people can earn their way. The one thing I don't care for is people who become self obsessed with self importance and equate material gain and greed with success. I don't have much, but I have enough and I live a satisfying life.

Lyle, I might take some comfort in the fact that Abele only has a year if it wasn't for the fact that for most of the electorate words are preferable to action. All one has to do is say the right things and maintain the status quo to assure a significantly large lack of interest going into the next election. And since the only action step he's promised is to get rid of a few cars and cell phones, it's not like he's taking on a potentially formidable opponent.

Granted I suppose it's possible that he might continue to step on enough rakes in his personal life that those start to make more press than anything else he does, thus unifying those who prefer their political leaders to conduct themselves as someone other than Beavis or Butthead. But I'm guessing he's at least smart enough to hire some handlers and follow their direction now that he's in the limelight. So short of that he'll probably get re-elected.

As we've seen, as long as you don't piss off those who draw their salary or handout from the public trough, you're pretty much assured of an orderly, uneventful, boring and evenly participated in electoral process.

You guys not only like to make crap up like the so called 70/30% polling, but you are in denial that you were beat fair, square and soundly. But I like it. So long as you wrap yourselves in fantasy that there still is an ACRON out there stealing votes, we'll be busy pulling together voters who are waking up to the bad economics and immorality behind the Walker budget.

Stay classy. Stay clueless. Keep making the good news from last night even better.

So you need to limit people's access to voting to win. How pathetic. If that is what it takes for you to have faith in "our democracy" by providing less of it, you have a problem with elitism.

Just to take advantage of a teaching moment, California has a huge debt because of their moronic limitation on raising taxes, which Walker wants to emulate. He also is a bog fan of hair boy Rick Perry in Texas. They have a $23 B deficit. Is this what you want?

As for the 8th, I am sure we have closed the gap from the last election and this gives us recallers the confidence to hammer this home, despite some of the out of control behavior we encountered yesterday from Darling supporters.

When are you going to stop the union boss nonsense? For one, you seem to overlook the salaries that these people make for running huge organizations that are much smaller by many magnitudes than when corporate CEO's pull in. As Cal Thomas pointed out this morning, a lot of this come from laying off workers.

Most of us who are behind the recall have no union connection what so ever. We just don't happen to be fans of bad economics and immorality.

LOL! Where is that HUGE silent majority?? 834? I'd hardly call that a "majority." Prosser may win in the end, but the message from HALF of this state shows that there is not a huge majority that supports Prosser/Walker.

Yeah, they just have to cross out Al Frankens name and write in Kloppenburg

Don't know about you, but I just love hubris.

Maybe it's because the corrupt dems in power refuse to look into the cases...

http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/95832224.html

To say it doesn't happen is delusional...

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/10/20/tried-steal-election-ny-voter-fraud-case-heats/#

http://www.rottenacorn.com/activityMap.html

That does not suprise me. Always keep some in the reserve!

Just for you guys -- http://tinyurl.com/3vzdv.

As I pointed out before, there are severe consequences that handle those rare cases. Stop trying to use this to your political advantage. It is so obvious.

I'm curious about that. Don't see how disenfranchising poor people, the elderly and students works to any one's advantage. This would have greatly inconvenienced for the sake of your paranoia or pursuit of your cheap political advantage my late mother-in-law, who did not have a driver's license but was a pillar of her community.

Keith, are you THAT lousy of a Son-in-Law that you couldn't drive your MIL to the DMV to get a picture ID just like I ussed to do for my dear departed Mother? If she can't get there, how does she get to the polling place?? ACORN and other lefty groups have been known to use vote fraud adn voter ID is the best way to stop it. You aren't fooling anyone with your "worry" of disenfranchisement. The real worry for your ilk is that you won't be able to cast a multitude of votes for dead folks, folks at addresses that don't exist, as well as having group homes dragging the patients in and telling them who to vote for. Anyone who can get to ther polling place should also be able to get to the DMV.

It's fraud when ballots suddenly "appear" in Madison and Milwaukee. I have no issues when someone works and wins honorably. The Unions wanted this one bad, and were going to make sure, come hell or high water that we would all have an itchy, red, oozing case of the Klopp.

This is going to get ugly before it gets better.

@ Lyle
I am not making any accusations - I am only sharing wbat I have seen on other blogs. Why could the
Democrates not stay in the state and vote? - Elections have consequences. Republicans have the majority - did they flee to avoid voting on matters when the Democats were the majority. NOT

Is it possible rwwackostu for you to make yourself any more disgusting or stupid?

rwwackostu,
C'mon, this is not a school yard. Grow up and clean it up.

There is the pot calling the kettle black. Hitler pics, whiner video links, lies, insults and threats are ok. Humor is bad bad bad!!!
Didnt mean to hit a nerve, fellas, but I thought your skin was a little thicker.

But I guess I am just being stupid again........

One last thing, I may have been out of line with my comment, however it pales with Tea Bagger and the other numerous other comments thrown at the right. IF you do not engage in that kind of debate, then I retract my comment and will respect your high ground debate.

Fiscal Conservative,
Since you pointed out the use of the term "teabagger" was so insulting, I have not used it. It was fully appropriate for you to point that out. A homophobe; where did that come from? Some things aren't OK no matter who says them.

Homophobe comes from your using the term Teabagger in a pejorative manner. Teabagging is a sexual act practiced by Gay men, when you enlightened liberals use it in a pejorative manner you are insulting Tea Party members as well as Homosexual men. It would seem folks that like to use the term are afraid of Fiscal Conservative Types as well as Gay men. My freind who's a gay republican would scare the heck outof you I guess.

Fiscal Conservative,
LOL; I thought a Gay Republican only lived in log cabins. In actuality it was Fox News who first used the term teabagger to describe people sending tea bags in an envelope to Congress. When someone informed them of what teabagger meant, they dropped the term. I probably would like your conservative gay friend if he was a respectful and interesting person. I lived in the Bay Area in the 1970s and 1980s and ran therapy groups for the LGTB community in Berkley, assisting those who wanted to come out of the closet.

It's even better Lyle, He's not only a Gay Republican, he's a Gay Republican who's also Jewish with a Scandinavian last name, quite an interesting fellow.
As far as FOX News coining the name, when used by them, as you pointed out, it was not meant as a pejorative in the way the Left uses it. Intent is everything in this situation.

Fiscal Conservative,
We have a few Republicans in the Jewish Community but I would say there are more GLBT jews than there are Republicans. In this community with so many Jews coming from interfaith families, surnames no longer indicate whether someone is Jewish or not.

I know that Lyle, but my friend is closing in on 60, and his Dad and Mom were both Jewish.

Hardly.

tbs,
Would it be safe to assume that you really don't understand socialism or the concept of social justice. Much of Europe live under social democracies and for the most part are quite happy with it. We also live in a type of social democracy. In your statement are you advocating that public sector employees are all socialists? Do you want to eliminate all public service? Do you want to eliminate all entitlement programs?
The recall movement is all about accountability and balance. Recalling Democrats for leaving the state is the right holding the Dems accountable. Recalling Republicans for stream rolling Walker's agenda is the left holding the Republicans accountable. The political action ensuing is healthy for the state. Your analysis is not only highly prejudicial but extremely divisive. We should be looking for ways of creating common ground and compromise.

A lot of Europe is in worse shape than we are. the Northern European countries that have practiced some form of socialistic government have a number of things going for them like, none of them were involved in the 2 World Wars (You can have a pretty robust economy when don't have to spend that kind of dough), their extremely homogeneous which makes entitlement programs less distatsful to the average human being, and they don't have the poor minority populations and folks from thrid world countries showing up on their doorstep looking for the American Dream (Not to mention the illegal immigrant problem we have here) taxing the resources and services. Those countries are starting to see some problems, especially with the Muslim immigrants coming to their countries. As far as Socialism goes Lyle, as Jack Nicholson said, "Go sell your Crazy somewhere else, we're all stocked up here"

Don,
The foundation of our system is a republican democracy. However, we are a blend of free enterprise and socialism. By definition, whenever the government provides services, which could be provided by private enterprise, then we have become a republican social democracy. Over time, a population as large as ours has become and the complexity of our nation; it is impractical for each individual to provide for themselves. The accumulation of funds through taxes makes it possible to achieve the greatest amount of public good with the least amount of effort. Debates always center around what government services will be provided at what cost.

sanchez,
Cap and trade is only one tool to use to curb emissions that are poisoning this planet. It is an interim step to give us some time to develop practical alternative energy sources. As far as taxing to support the poor; just how many poor are there in the U.S.? How do you know they are unwilling to work? Last time I checked there was a shortage of jobs for the low and no skilled. Since 1980, Milwaukee has suffered because we were an old industrial manufacturing center that was producing old technology products. Manufacturing moved to take advantage of cheaper labor costs elsewhere leaving a number of low skilled workers without jobs, thus a growth in the poor in our community. Your caring and compassion for those less fortunate than yourself is inspiring. Old quote: "Life's a bitch and then you die".

sanchez,
What liberal agenda? I didn't know it was for sale. All I have to judge about you is what you post.

Please spare us from your BS reasons. Why you want to do this is pretty clear. Don't gussy it up with nonsense.

Experience in Indiana showed this was an extremely difficult process for senior citizens. Why should we make it difficult for these people to vote, people who have worked hard, paid taxes and spent more time in the military than Bush and Cheney, why should we throw roadblocks in front of their constitutional right because you imagine election abuse.

Maybe you are sincere. If you are, someone has deluded you and therefore no one should seriously consider this.

Why do we have to do it in the first place? There is no reason. You have the burden of proof. I can't see spending a single dollar on this nonsense.

By the way, those corporate jobs would be here if it wasn't for your corporate friends sending them away, so let's dispense with the inane wise cracks.

"don't just move to Europe?" Oh my God, that crap again.

Don't you guys ever update your schtick?

sanchez,
If I remember correctly Prop 13 was a libertarian plan. The problem was they kept spending and underfunding. WI is not headed to becoming CA of the North. We can cut a little, tax a little, and continue educating our kids. If we let you libertarians run wild then we will be just like CA.

As far as moving to Europe or any other place, I'm not interested. I like it here and I enjoy being a pain in the back side to right wingers. I don't want to make your life too easy, I make a nice target to hate.

sanchez,
Walker is easy to figure and so are you, if you are actually a libertarian. You are the type who support greed, self-interest and returning the republic to the early 19th century. If you read a little history you would understand what I am writing. With 308 mm people we have a little more to worry about than just self-interest or the American Society will be unsustainable.

First of all, work on your anger. There's a good start.

Second, you might want to stop being a right wing stereotype of being the loud mouthed know nothing.

So some teacher making $34,000 a year is greedier than a Koch brother making billions?

Explain how that works. I'm so eager to learn from one as intelligent as you.

Way to make your point with name calling. What a gift you have for salient and effective rhetoric. A shining beacon for what conservatives have become...

Craig, really old news and it is misleading. The original source was a paid Hoover Institute fellow, very libertarian. What they are not telling you is that all the manufacturing has either been outsourced, replaced by automation or both. We have, in the US moved from a manufacturing industrial economy to an information service economy. Also, in 1960 the nation's population was 187 mm and now is 308 mm. More people, more bureaucracy, whether private or public.

sanchez, you are really making a fool out of yourself. That's it for me.