Have you noticed how easy it was for these people to haul those boxes out of the vehicle and into the building in this eyewash parade?

Have you ever tried to lift and carry a box that size full of papers, at waist height, much less over your shoulder or head?

you are such a dreamer. put up your proof. you have none your just running just as scared as walker and his crooked gang they will all be put out of office. you love to put out false info just like fox lies and guess what you can't get aqway with it because people already know that we had that many signatures

I can see by your lack of punctuation, capitilization and sentence structure, that you went to public school. You're a prime example of why Walker has a big job ahead of him, straightening out the education system. He's just begun, he inherited this mess, give him a chance.....

@Nate..

Half may be invalid?? you claim. ha ha. The joke will be on you. GAB is already planning the recall election date for Walker and you are still being stupid and saying half the petitions may be invalid. ha ha.

Mornimist, I knew I could bait one of you with that one. Regardless what that actual number may be, I'm satisfied knowing your side still made clowns out of yourselves delivering the precious cargo.

@ Nate the Hate
Dumb liberals, really? What has happened to civil discourse? All I can is is that people really show who they are by the words they speak...

As soon as I read "dumb liberals" I know who is writing. Mr. Walker is going to be recalled. You know it. I know it. You can feel it in the air. However, as you have labeled me, I choose to be the "dumb liberal" who breaks the news to you. Enjoy Mr. Walker while you still have time. Tic Toc.

@Mau -- That was uncalled for. I went to public school and I can spell 'capitalization' correctly.

@Nate

Every bully I ever knew attempted his best to ridicule others--bullies tend to do that to make themselves feel good because they have nothing else. You fit the picture well.

..............
Nate the Hate

7:32 pm on Friday, March 9, 2012

Mornimist, I knew I could bait one of you with that one. Regardless what that actual number may be, I'm satisfied knowing your side still made clowns out of yourselves delivering the precious cargo.

Mornimist always feels the need to include a quote from the person he's quarreling with, as if the rest of you people can't scroll down to see one's other comments.

Wait...HE?
Misty is a he?

@Mau -- What's the point of taking an egregious slap at public education? That really has nothing to do with the discussion at hand. Some people come out of it flawlessly literate; others don't. The same goes for parochial education.

I am your bud, kinda sorta. I'm trying very hard not to pay attention to some of the other nonsense going on in here.

mau, you spelled capitalization wrong

Yes I know. One typo compared to......... I typically don't point out bloggers writing styles but I'm not the one who started throwing flames. I myself admit I got out of public school with very poor reading, writing and math skills. But over the years I have made an effort to correct that deficiency. I do make every attempt to use capitalization and punctuation correctly though I do admit even that isn't perfect.

Nobody's perfect mau. And now I've decided to give Walker a chance with the mess he inherited. Just like the conservatives have given/will give our president.

It ain't over til the voters have their say...

@Nate

I see you and mau are into --empty boxes, light boxes, What is in those boxes. ?? Is anything in those boxes? circus boxes, etc. etc. Whow, you folks get sillier sounding everyday.

@Nate the Hate
By the tenor of your comments, I am having a hard time thinking of anyone who would desire your respect.

That fat lazy slob in the picture couldn't lift an Easter Ham much less a reem of paper. It was all for show. No different that the claims of 1 miilion+ signatures- validated...LOL
Talk about media manipulation.

@ Craig
Great comment. You should be proud...

Oh come on John, like you didn't think the same thing. It is nothing to be proud about, just stating the obvious.

Civility is for those who are afraid to have their feelings hurt. BTW, like my picture of the petitions being brought forth?

Civility is for those who have the courage to engage with someone who has an opposing view of their own in an attempt to possibly understand why that is.

Honesty trumps civility.

Well Craig, you have neither.

John, people don't come here for civil discourse. Step out of line around here with the marginalized conservatives here on the Shorewood Patch and get set for a hail of invective.

I try from time to time. But it is useless.

We really didn't stage this for your approval Nate. This was a titanic effort on the part of thousands all across the state. We all deserved to celebrate this achievement. Small minds make fun of big occasion. Fact of nature. We live with it.

Do they need to be mutually exclusive?

@Keith, so is this why you made this small minded remark "Well, since they are now open to political events, looks like we'll be contacting Brookfield Square to hold a dump Walker rally." about the upcoming pro-Walker rally? So only your side is allowed to celebrate? Go find your own venue.

John, I am just fanning the flames to make some smoke.
...and it smoked out Keith- the last man on the planet who should talk about honesty, civility, or integrity. Keith is like a parasite. The tic that sucks the blood of others. Ask him.

"Sucks the blood of others?"

Mau, the big difference is that this Pro-Walker rally is taking place at Brookfield Square, private property. We were prevented from gathering petition signatures there. So if this thing goes forward, look forward to us making a huge issue about this.

Somehow I think someone either with the organizers or with Brookfield Square made a mistake. Let's hope so for them, because this is going to be a huge PR snafu for the mall.

We did our rally on public property when we dropped off the petitions. Big difference.

The customers and residents around the mall are all sane and conservative. I think they'll be fine. You can have a rally at Northridge Mall if you wish to connect with your base.

Typical bully attitude. What's yours is mine, what's mine is mine. I wanna wanna want it. You guys had months of attention all over the state. Now all of a sudden you want everybody to be these law abiding citizens. Ever think the Republicans may want equal attention. Geez, why do I bother debating. Good night.

Keith don't play dumb, you know exactly what I mean.
I sleep just fine at night, do you?

Sleep well?

How nice Craig. Guess your book burning rally wears you out.

@Keith: My Book burning?
Interesting Freudian slip there Keith.
Anything to do with books and burning people is your department.

As a child I was taught that losing one's composure during a discourse was to lose the argument. That includes resorting to invective, profanity, raising one's voice, etc. I encourage civil discourse because I prefer to debate on a level playing field with intellectual peers.

Months back, someone fairly influential in the WI Democratic Party told me they wanted the recall election in November '12. I reminded that person that it wasn't up to them. And this wasn't a political game.

I was pleased when they finally stepped up because they have resources, but I'm disappointed but not at all surprised by this delay. I also wouldn't be surprised if the new timeline gets pushed back, too, to November.

This is one reason why I'm an independent.

Come now, Bren. you're an independent?

He is still in the closet. Democrat, liberal and progressive are dirty words that can not be admitted.

Only in certain minds.

True, nothing against that.

In case you didn't know, it was Republican Senator Dave Schultz's vote that tipped the scales against it.

@Craig
I am so happy to see the vast majority of Wisconsinites looking out for the health of people and the water and land.

http://www.ashlandcurrent.com/article/12/02/20/new-poll-people-dont-want-mine-law-overhaul
New Poll: People Don't Want Mine Law Overhaul
Article | February 20, 2012 - 8:37am | Ashland Current

A new survey finds that Wisconsin voters are strongly opposed to the effects a new mining bill would have on the state’s environment.

Concern about the bill crosses party lines, a memo from the survey firm Public Policy Polling reads. "This is something Wisconsin voters from all political backgrounds find deeply troubling," the memo says.

The poll shows that 69 percent of voters oppose weakening Wisconsin’s wetlands law, while only 22 percent think doing so is necessary to attract open-pit mining companies and jobs to the state, the survey firm reports..........

I am aware of the idiot Schultz caving for PR. He is a limp noodle. I am not happy with him, but I am pleased to know there is only one idiot among the GOP.
What I can't understand is how the Demorats can look themself in the mirror after screwing over the Union workers. Milwaukee lost jobs due to this- mining equipment costs major bucks and is labor intensive to build, I spent 19 years affiliated with that.
The majority of Wisconsinites lack the critical thinking skills to undertand the depth of mining regulations. Give them a document explaining the rules and they will get glassy eyed. Imagine if they did understand though...then you can assume they must not care about jobs.
If you don't agree with that statement: then you don't understand mining.

Based on your premise Schultz is a liberal Republican. That seems like an oxymoron. Was he acting in a manner to "spite the GOP"? I will agree with you though, a tangled web is definitely falling apart...

I think when I called him a limp noodle, it was self explainatory.

Schultz is a turncoat RINO.

There was a possibility that the jobs would not be happening right away if at all -- http://host.madison.com/ct/business/biz_beat/biz-beat-mining-company-pullout-hardly-a-shocker/article_3d2aec38-68aa-11e1-904d-0019bb2963f4.html.

This would probably be like the Keystone pipeline when it turned out the number of jobs created were way over inflated.

Look, ever business people like John Torinus felt that this was rushed, just like everything Walker is trying to do. with the pending possibility of the GOP loosing the state senate, it would not be too hard to imagine that the Three Stooges greased this baby up.

Not hard to imagine that there was a pot of campaign cash waiting for them at the end of the rainbow. And not hard to imagine that the Three Stooges would throw the environment would be thrown under the bus if it would satisfy their self serving aims.

We have a very precious water resource in this state, which Walker would sell out if it suits his purposes. Sorry for being so cynical about the Governor. But he has exhibited the character of a praying mantis.

"your progressive voice" yep they have a real world view on this situation. They wouldn't want to cover up for all the dems voting against thousands of jobs or anything.....

Gtach is looking into Michigan now, so they can do nothing there?
They already invested millions to do nothing, just like to waste money for fun.
Exploration drilling costing 225K per hole for maybe a mine in 40 years when lead prices are as high as gold.
Most of our taconite goes to China to keep up with their increasing demand. Your source is clueless to the real world of mining/manufacturing.

Two sides to every story Steve.

With all the whining we heard about the train jobs Walker chased away at least we wouldn't have to worry about the collateral costs.

If you are so worried about jobs, better start gearing up for Walker taking down our embryonic stem cell research projects at the UW to satisfy the medievalists with Wisconsin Right to Lie. That will make us look so 16th Century in the eyes of venture capitalists.

84 train jobs vs thousands of mining jobs, private vs borrowed federal money public vs private creation in general it isn't a comparison. A Spain built train is put on line in a few years, mine takes decades.

The article is pure speculation worded as fact. Mineral prices go up and down all the time and the mine wouldn't have produced a ton of taconite tomorrow if passed. There is no reason that Gtach would invest millions then not want dividends on that investment. Especially with Chinese demand so high for the ore. Possibly economic recovery here in America fueled by new resources that create jobs which creates demand which creates more need for resources.

But that was stopped, cold. Why not pull out if you go a few miles over to MI to open up shop. Innovation was hit hard this week.

Don't forget the RAIL jobs would come out of the taxpayer's pocket. That is comparing apples to oranges.

The GTAC website state states 700 permanent jobs, let's stick with the actual numbers: http://gogebictaconite.com/economics.html

The temporary jobs could likely be a combination of local jobs and out-of-state contractors.

Close examination of potential environmental damage needs to be done before embarking on large-scale projects. I'm sure Youngstown Ohio was excited about the economic potential of opening a gas drilling brine wastewater well, but less so about the dozen earthquakes (highest registering 4.0 magnitude) that have occurred in the area in 2011: http://online.wsj.com/article/AP6f04bbcf2fb9418d9a9befaa122c3dbd.html

The lessons being learned once again is that sometimes the vision of dollar signs impairs the vision of corporate executives and legislators (looking at you, Scott Fitzgerald).

I'm not "saying" that technology is bad, I'm saying take the time to do it right and everyone will benefit.

They can't help but exaggerate. It's what they do best. Exaggerate widespread voter fraud.

Nice words Tom. Unbelievable...

I would hope the people of your political persuasion are as embarrassed by your type of rhetoric as I am. There are are ways to debate issues that don't include this type of dialogue.

Aside from the fact we don't have your evidence, yet another desperate attempt to prove this theft of democracy known as voter ID.

@keith schmitz you are delusional if you dont think there has been election fraud in the past or there are not fake names on these recall petitions... really how dumb are you people?

You can bluster, but where's your proof? We don't pass laws based on bluster.

Just search Scott Walker. There is a very colorful signature to be found. You are disillusion not to think there are not double names, fake names, wives signing for husbands and other fraud, proof has been posted many times. Here I wasted my time to prove just a few:

page 17
http://webapps.wi.gov/sites/recall/Recall%20Petitions/Governor/GOV%20151851-151900.pdf

Page 16
http://webapps.wi.gov/sites/recall/Recall%20Petitions/Governor/GOV%20601-650.pdf

Nice:
http://images.iverifytherecall.com/images/sw/sw039666.png

I expect all petition gathers here to be charged with election fraud.... right?

Steve -- I just checked the links to supposed fraud you posted... what's the fraud you're pointing out on pages 16 & 17? I see nothing there.

As for your third one, signed "Scott Walker" followed by the vulgarity, there's little doubt that was NOT a recall supporter.

The possibilities are fun to think of. The dems gave them so much ammo that I am sure they are in the works already.

Mike Dee, driving a car or purchasing alcohol are not Constitutionally-protected rights. It's not fiscally conservative to spend $5-6 million on a Voter ID that is not justified. There is no evidence to suggest rampant fraud.

The Commonwealth of Virginia recently decided it couldn't afford their version of the Voter ID bill and voted it down.

@bren because you dont think its rampant or cant see it, it shouldnt be prevented? im glad they didnt listen to your arguments when they implement hate crime legislation and spousal abuse legislation.....

@Mike Dee -- I'm currently driving on a license for which I haven't shown a birth certificate in over forty years. And there are places that will sell me alcohol without carding me, based on my obviously mature appearance.

Explain to me why I shouldn't simply be able to swap that driver's license (that started having my picture on it some years back) for a State ID card when I get to the age that my eyesight has gone?

@Bren --Or how about this -- spend that 5-6 million on issuing Photo ID voting cards to currently registered voters who qualified under the old rules? Or maybe just those few of them that didn't have other forms of Photo ID?

@Randy: That isn't a bad idea, except for a few people who have moved here under an assumed name (from another state). I saw on the news a story about a guy who went through the trouble to obtain his birth certificate from another state. He found out his real name was different than he was going by. It does make me wonder how many illegals and criminals are holding a valid DL issued in this state.
I would accept your proposal, as long as there was a way to weed out those who are wanted and in hiding. I personally would like to have fingerprints at the polls- no way to vote multiple times, and it would be an inexpensive and useful tool.
Of course that leads to debates on Big Brother with a fingerprint database..

oh yeah... Daniel Bice has credibility.... lol

Wonderful pics from our rally in Madison on Saturday.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/10/1073219/-CONFIDENCE-A-Photo-Diary-of-Today-s-Amazing-Reclaim-Wisconsin-Rally

This Is A Call To Arms ... Bring all the $$$ that you have to support Walkers DEFENSE FUND. Walker needs all the cash that he gets his hands on to pay for his top gun lawyers. Come to the rally in the alley and bring your wallets !

@ Bucky

ha ha. Yes, I am sure Walker will gladly take any money he can get--even in a dark alley.

Go to the site where the GAB has photocopies of the petitions posted and do the legwork yourself. Why expect the taxpayers of Wisconsin to make it easier for you?