Yes.

Maybe.

For Real!

Totally!

No.

No.

Yolo.

Probably

I thought Genghis Khan was dead?

@Randy1949....You're on the money with this one. If Walker is the best the GOP can do, they are in trouble.

Yet, Obama was the best the Dem's could do, and they survived ... go figure ...

There's a lot under the floorboards, and the national media along with liberal bloggers will pry them up.

Like the liberals didn't slither through the cracks during the recall and try to spread their castings everywhere. Or were you holding something back Keith?

For someone who is hiding behind a screen name, that comment oozes with irony.

Do you even know what irony means? What does a screen name have to do with the comment? Oh I forgot, it's your fallback, it's all you got.

If I have to explain that Greg (or who ever the hell you are), you are denser than we all thought.

Go for it Keith, explain it.

@jbw....You'd better check the claim about lower taxes than the neighboring states. As far as positive impact, never has been a governor that has divided the population of Wisconsin more effectively than this governor.

Nor have we had a President more effective in dividing the Nation than Obama.

@ bottom line. Do you remember George Bush?

Renee,
Is that a trick question or are you really that dense?

Greg, not a trick question at all. If you think for one minute Bush didn't divide the country you are the one with a density issue.

Renee,
Which George Bush? There were two.

@Greg, you are apparently the wiser of all, you can figure it out.

I can figure a lot out.

At Lyle , "As far as positive impact, never has been a President that has divided the population of United States of America more effectively than this President."
Please take a good hard look at your party leaders before you criticize others.

Don't hold your breath Nuitari.

@deer hunter....You certainly take a myopic view of history. Taking a longer view, Jefferson, Jackson, Lincoln, T. Roosevelt, F.D.R., Truman, LBJ, Nixon, Reagan, and George W. Bush all governed during division. I have no party leaders since I am a social democrat.

Once again, Lyle, you can label yourself whatever. Liberal, Progressive, Socialist. You're all cut from the same cloth.

The GOP criticizing Obama for being divisive is like John Wlkes Booth blaming Lincoln for missing the second act of the play.

He did miss the second act.

For Walker to claim that he's a Conservative after voting for the stadium tax shows how phony he is. Professional sports teams generate sufficient revenue to fund their own stadiums. If he was willing to pick the public's purse to build a place for millionaires to play ballgames, he's worse than a mere tax and spend Liberal.

Living in a large-enough city to have professional sports requires helping to fund the stadium. It's reality these days. For you to whine about $30-$50 a year or so, while reaping the benefits of having the Brewers here is childish. Hundreds of people work for the Brewers, we all have the opportunity to go to games with our friends and families, and we've had some excitement provided by the players for the last few years.

Seriously--if your life is any different because of the stadium tax (which is short term by definition, since it ends when the agreed-upon amount is eventually met) you need to get a better handle on you expenses. There has never been a time in my life where I was close to death because I was spending $1 per week on something else.

Liberalism is a constant struggle to tear down and is a cancer on our society and must be defeated. Walker has proven he knows the most productive way to "tear" it down and replace it with freedom and prosperity.

Well, Dave, after all we have inherited there is much to be torn down. Thankfully we have a Governor willing to apply the effort in spite of the challenge.

Oh my goodness that would be fabulous!

It has to be real baggage, not stuff that nobody cares about elsewhere or John Doe investigations that go nowhere. The guy in office now had as much baggage as Walker does. Irritating the opposition isn't "baggage".

Robert Merlin, what baggage is that ?
The $3.6 BILLION budget deficit that he closed without raising taxes?
Returning much of the local control to local governments?
Reversing the many years of job losses with job growth?
Returning money raided from segregated funds, again without paying taxes?

So what baggage are you referring to Robert?

Anti...

Closing the deficit through borrowing.
Sticking the state's nose into local affair (residency).
Reversing job loss? LOL. Under Doyle's last year more jobs were created than under Walker's four years.

Doyle. Hey Bobby Mac, watch the righties go berserk with the mention of his name.

Get back to your MD 20/20 Keif, no one wants to hear from you, you old burned out grifter.

Yeah, let's see if anyone on the right makes 6 posts in as many minutes at the mere mention of Doyle's name. Want to put some money on it?

Obviously I said so2013, you might be thick, but you not rich.

Can't do here and now of course, but I know just the thing that will make the little heads of the six or seven promo-fascists that spend all day on this blog explode.

Wow, the old "mushroom cloud" scare tactic again. I thought that Condi had warn that one out.

Pakistran has nukes and is probably the most unstable state in the Middle East; does that scare you? Israel has nukes and is is crazy enough to use them. India has nukes. China has nukes.

Hillary is a known commodity on small scale protection of Americans. Crying to a Congressional hearing afterward and asking "...what's the point?" is of no comfort with the thought of a national crisis against the American people. Visual image this - a mushroom cloud on a split page next to Hillary crying.

… underneath the headline and photo of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld & Rice standing in trial for their war crimes.

Until you call for Bush/Cheney to get hauled in front of the courts for Iraq, you'd better give Benghazi a rest. For what you imagine about what happen in Benghazi, it pales in comparison of Iraq.

I agree with Keith and have frequently stated that same thing ........ and how many YEARS did it take for the truth to come out about Bush/Cheney and WMD ..... and it only took a few days to get the truth about Benghazi

Besides the fact that there is a suspect already under arrest. Glad to see a president willing “to move heaven and earth” to bring justice to murdered Americans.

Absolutely ridiculous suggestion.

Absolutely valid in the 21st century. This is not the 1890s in Alabama (though you wish it was). And once the national press starts digging into Walker's background and do the job the Journal should have done, Walker will fade into the background, were he belongs. Never have we had someone so incompetent and suspect in the Capitol's west wing.

I would think that would include the transcripts that would verify the degree, correct?

busybee -

If Gov. Walker were to run, he would be sliced, diced, boiled in oil, and castrated in the primaries. There he would have to move so far to the right of Rand Paul, that he would be in danger of falling off the edge of this flat dish plate we call planet earth. The TP/GOP would not give him their endorsement unless he came out with positions such as:

1) Public beheadings for anyone – the mother included – involved in any abortion

2) All forms of contraception are banned in the United States of America

3) Only Anglo-Saxton people may live in and be citizen in the United States of America

4) Corporations should not have to pay any taxes; everyone else is taxed at 45%

5) Any person over age 65 shall be placed in a small row boat, tied down, and be moved and anchored to the middle of Lake Michigan, every December

6) Only Christians’ and the Christian religion will be allow in the United States of America

7) Evolution is banned in the United States of America

8) Anyone caught engaging in a homosexual act will be burnt at the stake in the public square at noon on the same day

Assuming Gov. Walker would champion – these are just a sampling of positions the TP/GOP favors – these types of positions, I am reasonable confident that he could win the primaries.

We are told that everyone does not need a college degree. But then, he never even got a two year technical degree, or even graduated from an apprenticeship program. So what was his career path? Well, at Marquette, he ran for student body president, confessed to numerous electioneering violations, and later left the University under mysterious circumstances. Apparently, he was majoring in crooked politics.

John,
Thanks for the comprehensive look into the mind of a lefty. Apparently MENSA does not require your thoughts be rational.

@busybee -- We've had some very good Presidents who lacked a college degree. I have seen some college graduates who are neither educated nor intellectually curious. They just went through the motions.

Scott Walker's recent speech at CPAC reminded me of those professional athletes who have managed to memorize a few platitudes and mouth them back during interviews -- no substance at all. So the important thing to ask would be why he made it into his senior year at Marquette and couldn't put in the extra few months' effort to finish.

@Dirk Gutzmiller -- Walker majored in Poli Sci, so he must have learned a few things. Unfortunately, that seems to have consisted of glad-handing, back-slapping and sucking up to the right people in order to get a job.

@Randy1949 - Walker was a political science major? I guess then he did have a career path charted out, that of career politician.

His 2010 campaign said his GPA was 2.59. So that was predictive, as he did become a mediocre politician, at best.

This whole Marquette thing is very juicy, and will explode when he gets more of the national media's attention. Much bigger than Romney's bullying at the prep school, particularly if the rumors are true about his being kicked out of Marquette.

@busybee wrote,"I feel that in this day and age, one should at least have a college degree if running for president! "

Every candidate should have a valid U.S. birth certificate.

What matter a college degree, at least weknow something about Walker and his credentials, more than we can say about the occupant of the White House. In fact, where were you people in 2007, 2008 when Mr. O was running for office, could have used some good old fashioned vetting of him. Here we are 5 years later and we still don't know Mr.O's grade point average and whether or not he could pass a security clearance check like I was required to obtain in my National Guard days. Frankly, I don't care whether Walker runs for President in 2016 or not, what I do care about is fair and honest vetting of any candidate who runs for the highest office in our country with no exceptions and by the way that would include medical information to whcih at least we had on Bush/ Cheney and Clinton.

Greg –

I see that you are as troubled and appalled, as I, regarding the irrational TP/GOP’s true agenda for the United States of America.

Greg -

When did you have a thought?

Once again John Wilson (if that is his real name) has no facts or original thought so he makes things up. The Tea Party's basic platform is:
1. Eliminate Excessive Taxes
2. Eliminate the National Debt
3. Eliminate Deficit Spending
4. Protect Free Markets
5. Abide by the Constitution of the United States
6. Promote Civic Responsibility
7. Reduce the Overall Size of Government
8. Believe in the People
9. Avoid the Pitfalls of Politics
(source http://www.teaparty-platform.com/ )

So why would Johnny be so against something so basic and democratic? Because he would have to put down the joint (which he probably bought with one of his many government subsidies) and get a job.

Wow Anti-Alinsky (if that is your real name). That is a great platform. It’s too bad the reality of TeaParty Policy is:

1. Eliminate Excessive Taxes – on the top one percent only
2. Eliminate the National Debt – on the backs of the middle class
3. Eliminate Deficit Spending – with out asking the most successful to help at all
4. Protect Free Markets – by outsourcing every American job overseas
5. Abide by the Constitution of the United States – eliminating all the Amendments in which we disagree
6. Promote Civic Responsibility – just as long as that means discrimination (Muslim, Gay, Women…)
7. Reduce the Overall Size of Government – to only fit in a woman’s doctors’ office or our bedrooms
8. Believe in the People – only as long as they are Judeo Christian.
9. Avoid the Pitfalls of Politics – by accepting every special interest and SuperPAC dollar available. Never mind that just happens to be the biggest pitfall in our political system.

FTT, you should know by now I demand facts, not rhetoric. Show me ONE legitimate source that the Tea Party has supported ANY of your claims.

BTW-The Anti-Alinsky is not my real name. I have stated my reasons for using an alias, and I know you have yours. I have long suspected John Wilson is an alias, and because of his racist comments, I can understand why he needs one.

Here's an article about Dennis Marker's book that explains the roots of the billionaire orchestrated Tea Party: Teaching People to Hate Their Own Govt. Is at the Core of the Project to Destroy the Middle Class - http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-and-right/teaching-people-hate-their-own-govt-core-project-destroy-middle-class

It is also noteworthy that the actual Boston Tea Party was born of a philosophy exactly opposite of today's political party which co-opted the name. It was a revolt against corporate power and corporate tax cuts, and not anti-government nor anti-government regulation - see http://www.politicususa.com/the-original-tea-party-was-not-anti-government-but-anti-corporation.html

More Wilsonisms, as posted above. Even if he is being sarcastic, what type of idiot's mind would come up with these. And what type of person would spend the time typing his warped thoughts. Please, this is a very strange man. Shows the effects on his weed infused brain.

"1) Public beheadings for anyone – the mother included – involved in any abortion

2) All forms of contraception are banned in the United States of America

3) Only Anglo-Saxton people may live in and be citizen in the United States of America

4) Corporations should not have to pay any taxes; everyone else is taxed at 45%

5) Any person over age 65 shall be placed in a small row boat, tied down, and be moved and anchored to the middle of Lake Michigan, every December

6) Only Christians’ and the Christian religion will be allow in the United States of America

7) Evolution is banned in the United States of America

8) Anyone caught engaging in a homosexual act will be burnt at the stake in the public square at noon on the same day"

Keith, you forgot Doyle!!!

@Rich Petersen, I do not know much about about Dennis Marker, but his bio from his own book's site tells the story ( http://thefifteensteps.com/about-dennis ). Below are the highlights:
“Dennis Marker has always believed in making his own rules. In grade school and high school, this meant lots of trouble and many tests of will, which Dennis believes he won. In university, this meant periodic years off for travel, work and whatever else he felt like doing…”
“He first went to D.C. with democratic congressman Stan Lundine…”
“A summer internship at the Environmental Protection Agency led to a job offer as an in-house consultant to Doug Costle, the Administrator of that agency.”
“…helped launch and direct progressive non-profits, including Witness for Peace and the Pledge of Resistance, while continuing to enjoy himself.”
“During this period Marker built strong relationships with mainstream media personalities …”
“…where Marker became a leading spokesperson opposing the policies of President Reagan and the first President Bush.”

In other words, Marker is a bigger Propagandist than John Wilson (if that is his real name).

Re: The Anti-Alinsky: So let me see if I understand you correctly. Are you saying that anyone associated whatsoever with the Democratic party, or speaks against the mythical hero Ronald Reagan, or GBI is a "propagandist". So instead of responding to the is information he discusses, you instead dismiss his opinion based upon his bio.

Huh, I wonder what your bio would look like and how someone that used your rational would judge you and your words?

@Rich Petersen, just pointing out that:
1) Dennis Marker is hardly impartial and
2) Reading his bio, he seems to make everything he does a heroic action.

In all fairness, Harry Truman, Mark Zuckerberg, Bill Gates and I believe Steve Jobs did not have college degrees. But unlike this Koch puppet hack, they did things with their lives.

And what have you done with your life, Keif? Tell us all about your book store venture and how you did not pay back a very good sized loan from the hard working taxpayers in Shorewood. Keif, Keif, Keif, you sad, balding little man.

"But unlike this Koch puppet hack, they did things with their lives"

He's the GOVERNOR of the State of Wisconsin, with the posibility of running for POTUS! I guess under Keith's standards, Obama has done nothing with his life either. Keith may take the lead for the most stupid comment on Patch contest.

With an imbecile like you being the judge, even Lincoln would earn that honor. We can't help you are challenged.

Good luck with that.

You mean devastating the middle class?

BL, you actually believe Walker is more interested in the public than special interests?

Keith, are you a social democrat like Lyle?

California will eat the lunch of the retarded Red States. Smart people go there to work at places like Google, Oracle, Intel, IBM, and on and on. The don't come to WI to drive forklifts in the Uline distribution center.

Captain Midnight, smart people would leave California and avoid the confiscatory taxes there!!!

OHHHHHH, yes we do!!! Thank you Scott Waker~~~~~

That was all the work of corporate greed.

Yeah Walker. Do it.

@Patriot....What does Detroit have to do with this discussion? Detroit is a complex issue that has involved a number of deep structural issues, of which I think would be beyond your comprehension.

The idea of someone like Scott Walker as U.S. president is wrong on a number of levels. He has little or nothing to qualify him for such high office other than an ambition beyond his abilities. He has yet to deal with a divided legislature to get his policies passed, he's only dealt with a rubber stamp legislature.

Lyle,
Are you talking about Walker as President or Barrett as Governor?
Support of Barrett proves that none of you can stand on your record for good judgment.

Romney owes a lot to Detroit, including his big headstart in life as the son of a wealthy auto industry CEO. He was born there, and lived in the Palmer's Woods neighborhood within Detroit. He should go back as the Emergency Finance Manager and try to make some amends.

Dirk – ask GS Industries or the state of Mass about Romney management. Detriot has enough problems without Romney throwing Napalm on the fire.

Of course, eliminating democracy like the city manager concept does seem to be in Romney’s wheelhouse

Patriot... have you ever lived in Detroit? Have you ever been there? What about Flint? Ever been there? Hamtramack? Allen Park? The places in Michigan that are having trouble?

I lived there and have been there many times since. When the auto companies, mainly GM started to close down older plants they didn't replace them; they just abandoned the area. Pontiac was a one employer, single industry city, same with Flint. GM move away and cities die.

So unless you have lived there or spent any time there you don't have a witless clue about what your are talking about.

Lyle, You just aptly described the current occupant of the whitehouse in detail, is that what is required of a candidate?

@Richard... So, lets try out that statement, made by Lyle(adjusted for the current occupant of the White House). Lets see if anyone can prove it wrong... specifically the rubber stamp single party legislature and (not) working with a divided legislature...

The idea of someone like Barack Obama as U.S. president is wrong on a number of levels. He has little or nothing to qualify him for such high office other than an ambition beyond his abilities. He has yet to deal with a divided legislature to get his policies passed, he's only dealt with a rubber stamp legislature.

Do you know any viable candidates? I'm very worried there are none out there.

Anne -

Dahmer would be a viable candidate running against Walker.

Oh nice John. You pushed the Dahmer button. I'm surprised the cheap shot experts on the right didn't come at you.

@USAF ret - Don't put down Christie so easily. Chris Christie could garner a lot of crossover and independent votes. And the conservatives will vote for him anyway just like they did for the closet moderate, Romney. Christie actually showed some heart and soul, which appeals to almost all people except the Tea Party.

Yes, it was proven that a line-up of occupants of a Clown Bus could be President. Let's see if we can remember them all.

First to bail was our neighbor Timmie Pawlenty, who played the same game that Walker is following. Borrow long term debt an say you have balanced the budget. Then there was Bat-shit Crazy Bachmann who gave away free food at the Iowa Straw Poll. Then Pizza Man 9-9-9 Herman tanked. Rick Perry who couln't remember how many Agencies he was going to close down.

It's hard to keep track of these geniuses, but around that time Moon Base Gingrich tanked. And finally Rick Sanitarium gave up the ghost so that Willard got the nod.

Yes, Willard who thought that the trees in Michigan were "the right height",

It was proven that not "anybody" could be elected President. Your bifurcated "Party" is now concentrating on filling yet another Clown Bus -- Rand Paul, Marco Rubio, Jeb Bush (as if anybody would vote for another member of that Crime Family). Let the "Re-branding" begin.

Captain Midnight, Your group is the from the liars bus and include most of your left wing elitist liars club. Let's see, so far we have it doesn't matter H. Clinton, oh yes your list for POTUS is quite short due to lack of candidates.

Richard, the Democratic bench for President is deeper than your intellect.

Keith Schmitz, I forgot to lump you in with the rest of the trash talk, mud slinger, degrading left liberal democrats. Guess you all can't resist ripping on others on this blog that disagree with your leftist thinking. Civility doesn't appear to be a part of your repertoire. As an independent voter I would never vote for one of your hi-jacked democrat party leftist candidates. If you go to church you may ask for forgiveness for your uncalled for personal degradations in your comments. You might be correct about the Democratic bench, it is deep, deep in the caverns where satan prevails.

Richard, do you blow up like this all the time when you get teased. Around here, you'd better be able to take it or find another way to spend your time.

If you want civility, talk your right wing buddies on the Patch comments. We have found quite often that they like to dish it out, but cannot take it.

You are a typical right wing whine. You rip people apart and then when it happens to you, whining happens followed by personal attacks. I guess coming up with facts to you is an attack.

If I were you, go to church and pray that change comes to your selfish approach to government.

Yeah, you are independent. Just like Lindsay Graham has a crack at being on the Bachelor.

Richard –

I just had a conversation with both GOD and Pope Francis… they are not happy with your uncivil rhetoric and calling upon Satan…

Therefore they have informed me that your immediate penance will be to fall on your knees and recite 20,000 “Hail Mary’s”, 40,000 “Our Father’s”, say the “Rosary” 60,000 times and do the “Stations of the Cross” 80,000 times.

Once you have finished these, you must take a trip to Lourdes, Our Lady of Lourdes in France, and you will be required to drink 15-liters of the “Holy Water” per day, for a period of 7-days.

Once you have completed this entire package of penance, you may return to the United States of America, where you will complete your penance by starting your own Tea Party with Allen West, and Herman Cain as your equal partners in this endeavor…

Keep banging that drum, union hack.

Keeping dancing to the drumming corporate stooge.

Just being white doesn't make you a better president. Keep tootin' that dog whistle.

John Dean put it well when it comes to Walker. "Worse than Nixon."

Remember the RECALL!

@Greg - what is your point about the Recall? Almost half the state wanted Walker fired., A lot of the recall vote was anti-recall, not pro-Walker. People wanted to give him a chance to complete his four years before deciding to vote against him.

My point is that Anne's comment is exactly what we heard from the left during the tantrum called the recall. Your under estimations worked to make the Governor stronger.

@Greg - excerpt from Scott Walker's resume:
" I was one of the few governors in the history of the U.S. to ever undergo a recall election. I got to keep my job with a little over half the vote, and massive contributions from corporate bigshots from other states. I do not regard being subjected to a recall as anything disgraceful, but rather this makes me Presidental timber. Just imagine what I could do to the U.S. if I was in the White House for 4 years and could somehow avoid impeachment, as there is no recall mechanism for President."

Dirk,
Please provide the source of your quote. It makes no sense at all.

@Greg - It makes no sense because you have no sense of satire. Are you a college dropout or kickout too, or what?

I'm an or what. Double Masters, how about you? None of my education was in lefty satire, I went with the important stuff.

@Greg - Gee, you sure do not come across as highly educated, with "Double Masters". Lots of your calling people "scum", "trash", "stupid". and that is just in this one blog. What were your dissertations like, where you should have presented facts and rational conclusions to gain a Masters degree? Without giving away your identity, which might embarrass your family and friends, what were your majors and colleges?

Dirk- Golly, I just call it as I see it, if some people deserve to be called "scum", "trash", "stupid", I will call them "scum", "trash", "stupid". I hardly have an exclusive on name calling, some here even claim to be members of MENSA, have advanced education and are teachers, yet they do the same.

Why don't you tell us about the high perch from where you get to look down on the education of others. What were your majors and colleges? Not that I think it matters.

You live in a fantasy world if you think that a blog comments section directly reflects on ones education, my comments and attitude come from life experience and that experience is telling me that you are trying to deflect from your stupid post claimed as satire.

I really don't care how I come across to you, nor do I care what you think of me.

Dirk, Your comments on Greg are dastardly and place yourself in a juxtaposition with Greg, then in a comparison your constantly ripping negative comments put you far ahead, so you really seem to be describing yourself in your Greg comments.

@Richard - Gee, it is my impression you are a hypocrite, debasing anyone you disagree with, calling them Satan, and dastardly, perverted, etc. Disrespect, impoliteness, impudence, discourtesy, inconsideration, insolence, rudeness, and ungraciousness are hallmarks of incivility. Your comments qualify.

@Greg - Where did I ever mention I had a college degree? Yet you brag about having two Masters. And you worry about whether Obama got good grades in college, and want him to release his transcript. Who is the education elitist here?

You started it SFB "Are you a college dropout or kickout too, or what?".
Like I said above, why don't you tell us about the high perch from where you get to look down on the education of others. What were your majors and colleges? Not that I think it matters.
You are the idiot that went off on this tangent, not me. So don't complain about comments that have nothing to do with this thread. When did I "brag" about my education? I answered the dum bass question that YOU asked. Get a grip, boy!

@Greg - You are the lofty Double Masters braggart. You win the Lofty award, I cannot match your two Masters, unless one of your Masters was in Drywall. I do discern you were not a liberal arts major, where critical thinking and writing are important. Suggest a "post-graduate" course in anger management so you can take what you dish out.

When did I brag? Put up or shut up, Dickwad!

I bet I can even install drywall better than you. It appears you have no skills whatsoever, which explains your desperate need for a union.

"Walker 2012" DUHHHHHH

If Obama is a Socialist, he is the worst Socialist ever. There are almost as many millionaires now as there were before the recession. http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/as-stocks-rise-so-do-the-number-of-millionaires/2013/03/14/ff940344-8cdb-11e2-9f54-f3fdd70acad2_story.html

Where is the trickle down?

As to Muslim? Who cares?? Isn’t one myth as good as any other? Besides, didn’t you bag on Obama for Jeremiah Wright? He – and the President – are Christians… a religion equally brutal and extreme as Islam.

Jeff, pick your knuckles up a little bit, they're bleeding.

Social Security and Medicare are for Socialists, Jeff? Have parents, grandparents, a life?

Wait! I thought we were doing sooooo much better than Illinois. What on Earth happened? Could I have been the victim of Conservative Lies???

In all but one statistic, Wisconsin is fairing much better than Illinois, FTT. Higher taxes prevail in Illinois, as well as a public employee pension plan that is billions unfunded, higher unemployment rate, ranks far behind in positive business climate, higher uninsured rate, and the list goes on and on and on...

Well according to your definition YOU are not a "Christian".

Not a religion? When did this take place? Who are you to judge the faith and Christianity of others. You and other who try and force your religious views on the rest of are like the Pharisees of Biblical Times (you know, when Jesus was riding that dinasaur).

Ever heard of the Crusades? Or did that get left out of your home schooling? How many people did the Christians maim and slaughter during that period? How many natives of the American continents were slaughter in the name of "Christianity"?

Pray the hell away, but please leave me out of your meaningless chatter with the "sky pilot".

If, as you say, you are "to shine your light" before mankind, how about stifling you hatred for people that are not like you. Perhaps you might want to reflect on that passage from the Bible where the speck of dust another's eye is like the piece of wood (beam) in your own.

A good stare in the mirror might not hurt either, O Righteous One.

LOL! Allen West calling Obama a "rigid ideologue". Talk about the pot calling the kettle black! There are no bigger stubborn inflexible ideologues than Tea Party members.

Also he needs to look up the definition of Marxist. Obama is much closer to being a Republican than he is to being a Marxist.

Rich, take off your blinders and open your ears to the lies coming from Mr. O, read some history for the period 1930-1939 Germany/Russia, maybe not a Marxist but worse following the footsteps of totalitarian monsters. Definitely not even close to a Republican.

Ask the victims of the Spanish Inquisition, the Crusades and the Salem Witch Trials the question of the brutality of Christianity.

Ephesians 2 says nothing about gay rights or abortion rights. It also states Christ no longer makes us foreigners.

Matthew 25:31-46
How has the modern Republican Party (or modern Conservatism for this matter) pushing for ANY of this?

Why are Atheists and Secularists more “Christ like” in their policies?

Quoting anything Allen “we are not going to have our men become subservient. That’s what we need you to do. Because if you don’t, then the debt will continue to grow…deficits will continue to grow.” West says it all about TeaPublicans

You never made a case.

You mean like all the backround for the job our current President brought to the White House, HA !

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Wisconsin is still doing better than Obama's United Solyndra of America dream. Wisconsin is not over the fiscal cliff and under sequester.

Get off the Koch brothers syndrome, the demos have a litany of well heeled propagandists and supporters, let's start with multi-billionaire(number 10 in the US) Bloomberg or is it Doomberg, Soros, Gates, Spielberg, and the list goes on and on.

Don't forget the master puppeteer George Kaiser.

Koch for President! Cut to the chase and get him out from behind that screen and turning all those knobs.

Dirk, that pertains to Soros more so than Koch!!!

LBJ for worst:

One can finds the roots of the the major financial problems we face today in the major program 'starts' under LBJ.

He completely changed the structure of FRE and FME, moving them off the government balance sheet, making them quasi-governmental. This was done to hide the cost of the Vietnam war. (Read that our Mortgage / Housing Crisis).

Medicare / Medicaid - And its 3rd party, remove all traces of personal responsibility;time and again proven Failure, as a cost control model. Some(sadly) believe that cost shifting to a third party(government) where we are capable of some personal responsibility, can lead to any cost control and simultaneous quality outcomes (read it: our Exploding medical costs).

@Jay I won't argue that LBJ was the best, he was the one who lost control in Vietnam -- but there was a lot that he did do, especially in regards to civil rights and social safety nets, which I understand you do not like,

Carter started the de-regulation that virtually every major financial crisis since his time has been responsible for --- ie. Savings and Loan, Wall Street Fraud, Banks mixing commercial and investment sectors, interstate banking, etc ........

Further de-regulation of trucking, electrical, gas, air travel and freight, etc, have all contributed to the shrinking of the middle class and unions --- which can do good or bad, just as management can.

I did have an even scarier thought just now about who could even be worse than Carter or Walker --- Donald Trump --- hard to imagine someone with so much who is such a Loser.

@David.... Well, sure, I don't really like war;I dislike war.

I do favor a Competent social safety net. Can you show me one? (you know: it does what we expected to to do, with a defined set of resources, for the projected cost, in the delineated time,without significantly distorting the resource set for others)

Actually Carter piled on the deregulation movement, that LBJ began with FRE and FNM. How soon 'we' forget the dangers of the leverage used in banking. One might think that we never had a great depression.

Banking is a special case, due to fractional reserve the banks operate at 10:1 leverage, they need to be highly regulated. I can't find a reason to regulate any other competitive industry, like transportation, to the extent we 'should' be regulating banking.

From a macro perspective, I've never seen a cogent economic analysis that concludes that this country would be better off price regulating airlines, trucking or freight(rail).

me -

Yeah, but you also voted for Dahmer...

Now Mr. Wilson thinks that he is Graeme Zielinski. Way to lower the bar Johnny.

Looking back, your bar has always been as low as it could go.

Greg -

There are only two comprehensive and significant differences between Dahmer and Gov. Walker 1) Dahmer merely cannibalized a few people; Gov. Walker cannibalized the entire state 2) Dahmer is dead and buried, while Gov. Walker is simply brain-dead…

How's the 7% Unemployment working for you?

John – wait until Walker’s budget is passed. Then watch that number spike. It’ll be close to 9 before year’s end. Then instead of 47th in the nation at job creation. Wisconsin can win the title of 50th in the nation at job creation.

This is the typical trash spewed by Liberal Lefty Scum like John Wilson.

John Wilson
12:03 pm on Monday, March 18, 2013
"There are only two comprehensive and significant differences between Dahmer and Gov. Walker 1) Dahmer merely cannibalized a few people; Gov. Walker cannibalized the entire state 2) Dahmer is dead and buried, while Gov. Walker is simply brain-dead."
Wilson, You are a troubled and disgusting POS. You need to get some mental help, until then I will refrain from participating in your psychotic banter. I would encourage others to do the same.

Greg –

In a manner consistent with the constant tears of the Weeper of the House – John crybaby Boehner – I will really miss [tear] your tremendously varied and sagacious repartee… Solyndra,Recall,Benghazi, Solyndra,Recall,Benghazi, Solyndra,Recall,Benghazi, Solyndra,Recall,Benghazi, Solyndra,Recall,Benghazi, Solyndra,Recall,Benghazi, Solyndra,Recall,Benghazi, Solyndra,Recall,Benghazi, Solyndra,Recall,Benghazi…

Per John Wilson: "Dahmer merely cannibalized a few people"

The truth:
Jeffrey Lionel Dahmer (May 21, 1960 – November 28, 1994) was an American serial killer and sex offender. Dahmer murdered 17 men and boys between 1978 and 1991. His murders involved rape, dismemberment, necrophilia and cannibalism.

This is the subject that he makes lite of. Governor Walker compared to Dahmer, Governor Walker compared to Hitler, what sick thoughts. Shame, Shame, Shame...

Greg, I'm with you re John Wilson who seemingly has a perverted mindset.

I will admit, linking Walker to Dahmer is a bit in poor taste. In John’s defense, it’s tough to stay above the fray when there have be soooo many accusations (Greg, I do believe you have been guilty of this as well) linking Obama with Hitler, Mao, Stalin, etc.

How about we all put this out of line vitriol to rest?

"(Greg, I do believe you have been guilty of this as well) linking Obama with Hitler, Mao, Stalin, etc."

WRONG!!!

Wilson's just echoing the sentiments of state's Democratic leadership. Obviously it's a theme making the rounds with the self styled intellectual elites in the trenches as well. I'd prefer they spew the bile on Twitter and here and get it out of their systems rather than bottle it up with the result being one or more of them going off and acting out in a dangerous fashion.

FreeThought Troy -

“I will admit, linking Walker to Dahmer is a bit in poor taste.”

Was that an intended pun?

While Dahmer was charged with killing 17 people, he was only convicted of killing 16. Furthermore, he only cannibalized (3) of his victims, while Gov. Walker did the entire state…

When John Wilson (if that is his real name) has no relevant data or original thought to call on, he simply resorts to insults and name calling.

Wilson never has any relevant data or original thought, he starts at stupid and goes down from there.

The railroads worked. Solyndra was a pipe dream money grab from day one.

P.S. Stop patting yourself on the back for being so darn smart, you're not.

The government is still in the railroad business: Amtrak

Captain Midnight -

Amazing!

All this time on the Patch I was fairly well convinced that I was the only one on this blog that knew Greg and Richard were entirely clueless...

Captain Midnight, perfect name fort you as it appears you are flying with eyes closed. Media influence have as much or more impact on voters than only money, that is free media influence that only billionaires the likes of a Spielberg, Gates, Buffet, a list of wealthy entertainers that is too long to print, oh yes Schultz the CEO of Starbucks too. It appears that it is you that is clueless as to what is taking place in this country today, and the world for that matter, do not think that what is happening in Cyprus can't happen here with the mentality of the current leaders, an elitist intelligentsia that believes they and only they know what's best for the rest of us. It may be good if you were to read and listen to something other than left wing rhetorical commentary, perhaps stick your face into the IBD editorial section or some of the foreign news media. I refuse to spend time coming up with simply dollar numbers to satisfy your arrogant requests which will simply lead to other attacks from your psyche.

Captain: Allow me to translate. You Conserva-Speech may be rusty.

You caught me spewing my FoxNews Propaganda. You called me out based on facts and I am a little raw about it. As I can’t back up or counter argue your accusations, I am forced to rely on TeaParty approved argument techniques. Insult your intelligence by making fun of your screen name & how brainwashed you must be by the liberal media. The perfect Conservative Red Herring. The liberal media. When in doubt, it is the fault of the liberal media.

http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php

Hey, there's Koch industries,#75 on the list...let's focus on them for a few more years, shall we?

It's important to note that the http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php list is based on data released by the FEC on April 25, 2011.

vote early, vote often....

Let’s hope neither of you are women, minorities or (gasp) poor, then. If so, your Republicans wouldn’t let you vote at all!

me -

Only if you can find the voting booths that the Republicans move each hour...

@Lex,.,, Perhaps you are not familiar with the Charles G. Koch Foundation; the David H. Koch Foundation; and the Claude R. Lambe Foundations?

Much of the Koch money flows through these foundations into other organizations, whereit is further laundered into a third layer of organization.

So, Greg you ignored the fact that some smart VC's (that's Venture Capitalists) had already plowed $1,000,000,000 into Solydnra before Bush the Lesser's Energy Department initiated the possibilities of a loan.

You apparently don't know much about research and venture enterprises. They don't always pan out; this is why the people who invest in these companies are call "venture capitalists".

Are you familiar with SpaceX? Tesla Motors? What do you think of the F-35 program?

You are just a one trick pony with Solyndra.

But even my pony understands how the reply function works.

The Solyndra deal ended up with Obama handing our tax dollars directly to his buddy George Kaiser, but you're OK with that.

To some limited extent, I agree with Lyle. What qualifies anyone to take on the role of president of the united states. How is anyone truly ready to take on one of the most powerful countries, militarily, culturally, and economically in the world.

Almost by definition, the one that takes that office has to be "on the job" trained. No one is ever truly qualified for it, because there is no other job like it.

So we try to find something comparable. Most political experts on both sides of the isle tend to prefer executive experience. It is the head of the executive branch after all, and executive office experience is probably the closest.

In that regard, Walker is far better prepared than our current president. Although, my guess would be that Lyle's problems are probably more with his outlook and less with his resume.

I think it's time for Joe Biden to step up to the plate. After all, obama keeps telling us how much confidence he has in the man. What could go wrong?

Luke -

Well, I'll bet old Joe would not take his best attorney friend out quail hunting and then shoot him in the face...

Of course not John (if that is your real name). If Joe shoots anything in the face it would be himself!

i am so impressed that you had to vote for a 'homosexual". Is it too much damned trouble to say you voted for a person? What an ass.

So far in the poles Hillary is kicking GOP, so much so that if Rubio was a football, she's split the uprights from the 40 yard line.

Here's the beauty part. Should she run in 2016, not only would she keep the Obama coalition together, but she'd pull in a lot of the Reagan Democrats who might be alive.

But with 132,000 minorities coming of voting age every month and 80,000 whites dying off, she might not need them.

The Fascists are "rebranding themselves", don't you know. Willard is a bit slow on the uptake.

CPAC is nothing more than a "Confederation of Dunces".

The Fascist TEAPublican still belive that they didn't deliver their message of "hate" in a positive way, so they are going to change how they explain their 18th century beliefs.

Cut them some slack, so Richard and Greg can catch up.

Corporal Midnight, your lowly rhetorical comment are mirrored by all of the low level left leaning commenters on this blog. All you seem to do is mud sling and trash talk. And apparently you have no clue as to who or what is a Fascist. Try enlightening your little mid with some real factual writing, start with the IBD editorial page. Your lack of civility slip is showing. For that you have been demoted!!!

Anyone who claims Progressives, Democrats or the President are Fascist, clearly does not know what Fascism really is.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/fascism

That’s the TeaParty Ladies and Gentlemen. Look at the record in the Congress and Republican Controlled State.

The TeaPublicans are Fascists

Free Thought Troy, Thank you for the definition of Facism, funny though it does not seem to fit Tea Party agenda as I am aware of, however, it does seem to parallel what the current administrations agenda and actions are, Balkanize, destroy opponents, chose someone to demonize (Tea Party) , using racial patronage, hmm, could be you can't read nor understand the dictionary definition you hi-lighted in your comment.

The TeaPublicans are Fascists.

Richard: HAHAHAHA That is funny

centralization of authority: Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld anyone?

stringent socioeconomic controls: Obama is the welfare President accusation/makers versus takers arguments

suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship: Obama is a Muslim/He is Anit American/the Democrats are coming for all your guns/the Progressive war on Christianity… this list is endless

a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism: voter ID/Obama apologizes for America/Obama is a European Socialist/the Defense of Marriage…

any right-wing nationalist ideology or movement with an authoritarian and hierarchical structure that is fundamentally opposed to democracy and liberalism
i.e. The TeaParty

Nice try trying the reverse accusations. Too bad the facts just aren’t there. But typical TeaParty. Never let facts get in the way of your narrative. Just keep repeating the same non sense over and over. I believe Mein Kampf encouraged that, too.

Hello Free Thought anybody in there, you are obviously liberal minded and party programed by your typical leftist thinking as revealed in your comments. Not reversal, Free Thought, just the real thing. Repeating the same nonsense, yup that's you and your friends Corporal Midnight, John Wilson, morninmist, you all sound like parrots. Were you all trained by "One Wisconisn Now" or the Democrat Party, or are you all really the same person. Twist reality, try to have people believe the opposite of what is true. Everything you stated in your comment is on the liberal democrat agenda, so right back at you! Your kind call liberal media material facts when in reality they are nothing more than the worst kind of propaganda. Actually, perhaps your name should read Programed Thought Troy.

Oh by the way Programed Thought, just for the record I am an Independent voter who thinks for himself, yes I am conservative by nature and do abhor the agenda, policies and thinking of the current hi-jacked liberal democratic party. Its members are seemingly clueless as they are led around by their elitist intelligentsia. I dislike how your party has enslaved millions of minorities in a welfare state of being while the millionaires and billionaires who control the party live high on the hog. What your party does is merely to gain votes and for control and power. It would be nice if some of your makeup would start thinking for yourselves and see how you have been hoodwinked!

Richard:
Do elves and unicorns live in that fantasy world? Do you live in bizzarro world where everything is the opposite of this dimension?

Reality is the exact opposite of your last post. I am genuinely worried about you.

How about some evidence FreeThoughtTroy, not rhetoric.

No rhetoric. Coming from Anti-Alinsky (rhetoric is in your screen name)! That is rich.

“How about some evidence… not rhetoric.” Saith the crow to the raven

FTT, I provide links and evidence all the time. For example, when John Wilson (if that is his real name) makes a nonsensical comment about less debt accumulated under Obama than Bush, I provide the data and like to the OMB tables on the White House website.

You and John Wilson simply make some stupid comment about the Tea Party, Scott Walker or Paul Ryan and expect the world to take you at your word. Your next comment will be that Paul Ryan's budget includes a $1 Trillion transfer to his personal Swiss bank account.

Adolph Hitler and Joseph Goebbels was well known for those types of tactics. Apparently history does repeat itself!

The Anti-Alinsky, I gave up on providing supportive material for the leftists on this blog, it's a losing battle, our truthful facts don't matter to them only their far left deceitfully created info is gospel to them. Your comment about history repeating itself is so true. Either they don't have an understanding of world history or they don't care. Perhaps they are working to be that part of the elite group that controls everything as they feel they are omnipotent! Reasoning with these commenters is a lost cause and civility is not within their realm.

Anit-Alinsky
Please provide proof that I am using Hitler or Goebbels tactics. Point of fact – please provide proof, as you value it so highly over rhetoric, that I am a Socialist or Nazi. For someone he decries my use of rhetoric and criticism of the Tea Party, you do seem to enjoy using it yourself. Ryan doesn’t need money from the budget. He can get it from his SuperPAC. I would never imply he has a Swiss bank account. I KNOW his running mate already has contacts to Cayman Island Banks (link to his tax returns… the ones we know of at any rate).

Your hypocrisy shows in your very same posts. You are just like the Tea Party.

Richard: you are the same. For someone who has moaned for three days about how rude every one is to you, it sure hasn’t stopped you from your over-the-top insults, huh?

Richard -

"The Anti-Alinsky, I gave up on providing supportive material for the leftists on this blog, it's a losing battle, our truthful facts don't matter to them only their far left deceitfully created info is gospel to them."

“truthful facts”…OK!

Let us all be dumbfounded and redundant… “truthful facts”, truthful facts”, “truthful facts”…

Where did you find all these "truthful facts"?

The Anti-Alinsky –

CONTEXT and just what you include and exclude is of major importance when you attempt to discuss DEBT, Government Spending, Deficit and economic theories… your disingenuous prior post(s) regarding “proof” of your position is just that, disingenuous…

NOTE: The Iraq War has cost $2.2T to date and will continue to rise as we treat our returning veterans.

“The President doesn't really have much control over debt accumulation during his first year. That's because the budget for that fiscal year was already set by the previous President. The new President doesn't really have much control over debt accumulation during his first year. That's because the budget for that fiscal year was already set by the previous President.”

http://useconomy.about.com/od/usdebtanddeficit/p/US-Debt-by-President.htm

“Going back to Eisenhower, federal spending has risen on average 7 percent a year, or 2.6 percent when adjusted for inflation. After the spending burst of 2009, Mr. Obama, constrained by Congress and aided by repayments of bank and auto bailouts, increased spending just 0.5 percent a year over the next three fiscal years when adjusted for inflation; only two other three-year periods since Eisenhower had lower spending growth.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/20/us/politics/fact-checking-obama-and-romney.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Lets look at some of your quotes shall we FTT:
“Promote Civic Responsibility – just as long as that means discrimination (Muslim, Gay, Women…) “
”Reduce the Overall Size of Government – to only fit in a woman’s doctors’ office or our bedrooms”
“Believe in the People – only as long as they are Judeo Christian.”
“but wouldn’t it be grand to hear all the Neo-Fascists gripe about the “Liberal Courts” as the citizens of WI take their state back from the Corp. Tea Party.”
“… underneath the headline and photo of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld & Rice standing in trial for their war crimes.”

You were asked to provide data (preferably with links) proving any of that. To date you haven’t done so.

Now some of Hitler’s quotes:
“...the personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the living shape of the Jew.”
“Conscience is a Jewish invention, it is a blemish like circumcision.”
“If only one country, for whatever reason, tolerates a Jewish family in it, that family will become the germ center for fresh sedition.”
“The Jews are definitely a race, but they are not human.”

Do you see the similarities FTT? You proclaim something absurd with no evidence, and expect that enough people will believe it.

"A Lie told often enough becomes the truth." - Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

“Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it” – Adolph Hitler

John Wilson (if that is his real name) wrote: “CONTEXT and just what you include and exclude is of major importance when you attempt to discuss DEBT, Government Spending, Deficit and economic theories… your disingenuous prior post(s) regarding “proof” of your position is just that, disingenuous…”

“…The new President doesn't really have much control over debt accumulation during his first year. That's because the budget for that fiscal year was already set by the previous President…”

“…After the spending burst of 2009, Mr. Obama, constrained by Congress and aided by repayments of bank and auto bailouts, increased spending just 0.5 percent a year over the next three fiscal years…”

True Johnny, BUT only after
TARP (enacted late in Bush’s administration and administered under B.O.)
and ARRA (entirely B.O.)
and the B.O. Omnibus spending bill he signed on March 11, 2009 was added to the 2009 base line.
Year……………Spending…% Increase
2008.................2,982,544
2009.................3,517,677.......18%
2010.................3,456,213.......-2%
2011 .................3,603,061.......4%
(source: http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/Historicals table 1.1)
(FTT, this is what is known as facts and analysis, not rhetoric)
So B.O. added that big increase in 2009, blamed it on Bush (so that's where that started) and kept spending at those levels.

The Anti-Alinsky –

“…The new President doesn't really have much control over debt accumulation during his first year. That's because the budget for that fiscal year was already set by the previous President…” “…After the spending burst of 2009, Mr. Obama, constrained by Congress and aided by repayments of bank and auto bailouts, increased spending just 0.5 percent a year over the next three fiscal years…”

All of which leaves President Obama at the spending level – for 3-consecutive years – as low as the Eisenhower administration, which no GOP president, not even Ray-Gun has accomplished.

The Anti-Alinsky –

FTT has it spot on!

Looking at the actions of the multitude of local Tea Parties, spread across America - controlled by the ideology and money of both the Koch Brothers and huge corporations - it is clearly logical to perceive them as racist, discriminatory, misogynistic, bigoted, quisling, Anti-American and Anti-Government. Only someone completely indoctrinated and dripping with the stench of the TP/GOP would have the intellectual insincerity to attempt to defend them. They are true collaborationists in an attempt to destroy the Republic.

Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Wolfowitz, and Libby, at the very least, should be standing trial for their war crimes. It is only because of an error by President Obama, that he decided to not “go back” and expose these traitors and murders, because he wanted to “move forward” with a positive agenda that they thus far escaped justice. President Obama forgets or neglects to understand that sometimes you must “go back” in order to “move forward.”

"A Lie told often enough becomes the truth." - Vladimir Ilyich Lenin “Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it” – Adolph Hitler"

This has been the modus operandi of the TP/GOP for almost a century, and nearly every one of your posts is a testimony to your heroes’ ideology.

Americans were not fooled in 2008/2012, and it is highly unlikely as the TP/GOP implodes, that these tactics will ever work again…

John Wilson (if that is his real name) wrote: "...All of which leaves President Obama at the spending level – for 3-consecutive years..."

Again Johnny, the above facts tell otherwise. All you did was move the baseline for B.O. to an anomalous year which included TARP, ARRA and OBAMA"S omnibus spending bill.

And the spending spree still continues.

The Anti-Alinsky -

"And the spending spree still continues."

Indeed, at a 0.5% per year rate... the lowest it has ever been - for 3-consecutive years - since Eisenhower!

The Anti-Alinsky -

And other members of your group seem to concur...

From your primary source of facts: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-X-VSOcGQmw&feature=em-subs_digest

John Wilson (if that is his real name) wrote: "All of which leaves President Obama at the spending level – for 3-consecutive years – as low as the Eisenhower administration, which no GOP president, not even Ray-Gun has accomplished."
Yes John, AGAIN, after they boosted the baseline you are comparing it too by 18%, partly due to Bush, and a large part due to B.O.

And where in the world did you get the idea that Julianna Forlano was a "member of my group"? Oh wait, you posted this Saturday afternoon. Guess you start your nasty little habit early don't you? I only had to listen to her for about 30 seconds to realize she was as full of it as you are. She managed to take hand picked 10 second sound bites, intersperse it with her dribble and still came off as an idiot.

The Anti- Alinsky –

You mostly cite the URL for “IRREFUTABLE FACTS” [YouTube]… hence, a member of “your group.”

“She managed to take hand picked 10 second sound bites, intersperse it with her dribble and still came off as an idiot."

No different than your endless dribble…

me -

Well, he is half WHITE and half BLACK, so what race are you talking about?

Guys like him pick the race that drive them nuts.

Sammy Dizzle -

I teach a class in impulse-control and English Composition... Pope Francis suggested that you take them both...

Mike. Obama won’t run, again. He is on his second term. You would be free to vote any way you like based on the candidates.

Like:
Clinton/Biden 2014

Can Hillary run for the presidency? Does the fact that she ran the government for Bill twice before count towards a term limit?

No one can play the “no experience” card with her then, right?

What difference, at this point, does it make?

Clinton won't run for president. I still say the only reason Obama is the President, is in the first go around, the countries great hatred for Hillary let Obama get the nomination. I don't think anyone has changed their mind.

Yes. It was the East Coast snooty-school elites that showed the world just how big of an idiot Sarah Palin is. It wasn’t her own power hungry hubris that broad her low. It was the media.

Funny, the media takes crap for NOT vetting Obama, and takes more for vetting Palin. Must be that silly liberal bias again.

Your comprehension is weak and implied opinions must fly right over your head.

WALKER will be UNFAIRLY linked to PALIN, who WAS a local pol who NEEDED more EDUCATION. MCCAIN chose poorly and underestimated the scrutiny PALIN would endure. The snooty East Coast bias will chew up WALKER, even though he is the right person for Wisconsin, in my opinion.

Simple enough for you?

I understood your opinion. I just don’t agree. Your unfair assertions the east coast media is to blame for proving Walker AND/OR Palin unfit is unfounded. Both prove they are unfit by their own actions.

I understood Joe Liebermann was McCain's choice for running mate. Sarah Palin is a millionaire who won the Alaska governorship on a moderate platform. She was swept up as an unknown, re-costumed and given dialect training to create an average Midwestern middle-class soccer mom persona. A lot of folks fell for it but for many, including Republicans, it didn't quite ring true.

With her journalism degree Sarah was better suited to a different field and she used the political opportunity to launch herself into the communication field. Book deals, reality tv shows, political commentary, that's Sarah Palin's comfort zone (note that she resigned her governorship two years into her first term, having spent a good part of that time on the vice-presidential campaign trail). Had she remained true to her moderate platform, who knows, she might have successfully delivered the presidency to McCain.

BINGO!

@NewWisGov @WisDems @GovWalker @politico Walker is delusional if he thinks his terrible jobs chart qualifies him for anything: pic.twitter.com/0osePleHmB

morninmist, and who is your qualified candidate?

Ed Shultz. Hers he's looking for work.

Misty is pushing for the little known candidate Ampersat Hashmark from the ultra left Twit Party.

Willard is a "business genius"? Really a vulture capitalist is a genius? He destroyed much more than he created.

Why didn't Walker finish college? Was it too difficult? Or was he a cheating asshole?

Sarah Palin needs more than "additonal schooling". She needs an intelligence transplant.

So you are back to the "East Coast snootyh-school" thing? Willard Romoney has a degree or two from Harvard. One of you new loud-mouths, Ted Cruz has a Harvard Law Degree.

So i would suggest that until you read up on things that you would best be served by just STFU.

Dave, I think you are correct. But in a debate with Mr. Newman I would suggest that Mr. Walker would come out as the loser.

The sad part is that Dave finds that hot.

Gov. Narcolepsy.

The CPAC theme was what???? It was a repeat of why the TEAPublicans lost the 2012 elections.

Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

FreethoughtTroy –

The TP/GOP, through CPAC, is attempting to bring the country back to the 19th century…

"Asked to describe Republicans, they said that the Party is 'scary,' 'narrow minded,' and 'out of touch' and that we were a Party of 'stuffy old men.' This is consistent with the findings of other post-election surveys." the report states.

The TP/GOP is going to attempt to seduce – the tanned people that they hate – with a softer, more harmonious verbal message in speeches and town hall meetings. In spite of the findings of their own report, they are firmly convinced that their IDEOLOGY IS SOUND, and they only need to “soften” up the “messaging”. They really believe that the real problem is POOR MARKETING!

Reince Priebus, the man who did such a great job of getting Willard elected as president, today stated that he will “not encourage the Republicans to support Comprehensive Immigration Reform.”

Yes, of course, I am sure this will win them many elections…

I can see it now.

A young, white TEAPublican from a proper TEAPublican suburb is assigned to duty as an "outreach" worker in an urban, minority neighborhood.

"Hello, I am the TEAPublican "outreach worker to talk with "you people" to win you over to our side."

"Perhaps we can go to one of the local ethnic food establishments so that I can familiarize myself with the cuisine?"

"Oh, wow, so those are called 'tacos'? I will learn to really like this food".

"Oh, wow, so that is called 'sushi'? I will learn to like this fish stuff also."

More to follow, as this would be a great SNL sketch.

TEAPublican outreach in action.

Rebuild itself with what? Moon looney 80 year old Newt? With Willard? With Rick Sanitarium? With Trump? With McCain? With Jeb?

In order to rebuild something one must have building material. Oh wait, I forgot Bachmann and 9-9-9 Herman.

It will take the skills of an Alchemist to turn this pile of lead into gold.

Time to pull the plug. There obviously is no hope of any brain activity.

Your extremist view is just a wrong as the messages coming from the left. I do agree that the majority of Blacks and hispanics have been hoodwinked by the white elitist intelligentsia that rule the current democratic party. The Republicans or better the Tea party conservatives can have some success if they bring a true message of hope to the black and hispanic communities by visiting them in their places of worship to begin with and demonstrate how the democrats have kept them enslaved and controlled with their dastardly divisive tactics. If that doesn't work we are lost forever as a nation, gone the way of Greece, Rome, France and Great Britain.

NObama 2012 –

Yes, you have just elucidated most of the TP/GOP ideology and growth from “embraces and promotes traditional Western cultural values rooted in religious and enlightenment values.’

Yet you state, “True conservatism rejects the entitlement mentality…”

What could possibly be more of an entitlement mentality than your agenda?

1) Tanned people are inferior – not limited to Blacks and Hispanics
2) White men need to control women and their reproductive organs
3) Women exist only to serve man
4) No place for women in positions of power
5) The Bible should replace the Constitution
6) No contraception or abortion – women have no choice here
7) When MS Ovum is penetrated by MR. Sperm, we have a human being with all the rights of the Constitution [Personhood]
8) We honor human life, however, we may impose the Death Penalty at will

Yes, unfortunately, I do understand you and your clown car, the TP/GOP; I also understand where you folks are going also, it is called Bellevue…

You are so obviously filled with the daily output from the alimentary canal of a male bovine.

You have managed to combine stupidity with bigotry polished off with a topping of total ignorance and hate.

What a waste of human tissue and chromosones.

True conervatism rejects humanity in general and empathy, compassion and understanding in particular.

Conservatism is the product of the authoritarian mind; one that is obedient to all authority; is unthinking; and is unable and unwilling to accept new ideas. Conservatives are incapable of weighing ideas from different points of view as anything outside of orthodoxy literrally hurts their brains. So, they suffer from cognitive dissonace and reject anything that is not contained in their "universe".

Show us one vallue of the Enllightenment that is embraced by today's Conservatives.

Again with the Racism John (if that is your real name)?
The largest group of entitlement recipients are white.
Excuse me, I mean, European-American.
Excuse me, I mean, born-into-privilege.

The Anti-Alinsky –

I believe I was addressing the monolithic [overt] racist Nobama2012’s frank and extremely candid description of the TP/GOP and its membership – he/she/it too hides behind a pseudonym – but at least has the courage to tell it like it really is with regard to the TP/GOP. Of course, you do have the token Herman Cain and Allen West to appeal to about your vast diversity.

Furthermore, the discussion was “entitlement mentality” – not “entitlement recipients” – something synonymous with the TP/GOP, which has the only way to save America from the tanned plague… [Although even with “entitlement recipients” they are disproportionately lily white.]

I know it is difficult for you [covert] “entitled” white folks, who live on a flat plate planet, called earth, that is only 6 thousand years old, and pray to an invisible man in the sky, but do try to keep up…

John Wilson (if that is his real name) wrote: “I believe I was addressing the monolithic [overt] racist Nobama2012’s frank and extremely candid description… at least has the courage to tell it like it really is with regard to the TP/GOP. “

Johnny, I am still waiting for you, or FreeThoughtTroy, or any of the Liberal bloggers we have here, to provide any real evidence that your version of the Tea Party is the real one. I listed the basic Tea Party platform, and FTT responded with silly nonsense:

Tea Party plank #1) Eliminate Excessive Taxes
FTT responded with “on the top one percent only” but failed to provide any proof of that.

Tea Party plank #2) Eliminate the National Debt
FTT wrote: “on the backs of the middle class”, yet won’t detail how he came to that conclusion.

Tea Party plank #3) Eliminate Deficit Spending
FTT wrote: “with out asking the most successful to help at all” implying we have a revenue problem, not a spending problem.

Johnny also wrote: “I know it is difficult for you [covert] “entitled” white folks, who live on a flat plate planet, called earth, that is only 6 thousand years old, and pray to an invisible man in the sky, but do try to keep up…”
Show me where I have ever said anything to imply I believe the Earth is only 6,000 years old. Again, you are making up crap to try and ridicule and belittle people that don’t agree with you. I believe you Liberals consider that a form of bullying.

The Anti-Alinsky –

First, there is no ONE Tea Party; so, the so called “Tea Party Plank” you refer to is not representative at all of the TP movements. You might just as well have said that the "fish in the ocean party plank" is… [It is a nice red-herring.]

Second, even you understand that there is usually a vast difference between what an organization says – to attract membership – and what is done in reality.

Third, the Tea Party has largely been co-opted by the Koch Brothers, big corporate interests, Fundamentalist Christians and the money that these folks have funneled into the plethora of TP “local” organizations.

What does portraying President Obama at rallies as a gorilla, selling watermelons, eating bananas, wearing a Hitler mustache, calling him a Marxist, a Communist, a Socialist and many, many other derogatory names have to do with promoting TP “values” or planks?

The Tea Party emerged one month after President Obama assumed office in 2009; that is what people like you would call a mere coincidence…

John (if that is your real name), You, FreeThoughtTroy and others are the ones that have encapsulated all the Tea Party groups under the "TP/GOP" banner. IN GENERAL, the Tea Party groups have the same general principles I listed earlier.

Now you have added that they are controlled by the Koch brothers. Do you have any proof of that? I could say that you are taking your marching orders from China since YOUR ideologies tend towards Socialism/Communism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement#Influence_of_Koch_Industries
In an August 30, 2010, article in The New Yorker, Jane Mayer said that the billionaire brothers David H. Koch and Charles G. Koch andKoch Industries are providing financial and organizational support to the Tea Party movement through Americans for Prosperity, which David founded.[222][223] The AFP's "Hot Air Tour" was organized to fight against taxes on carbon use and the activation of a cap and trade program.[224] In 1984, David Koch also founded Citizens for a Sound Economy,[225] part of which became FreedomWorks in a 2004 split, another group that organized and supports the movement.[226] Koch Industries issued a press release stating that the Kochs have "no ties to and have never given money to FreedomWorks".[227] Former ambassador Christopher Meyer writes in the Daily Mail that the Tea Party movement is a mix of "grassroots populism, professional conservative politics, and big money", the last supplied in part by Charles and David Koch.[228] Jane Mayer says that the Koch brothers' political involvement with the Tea Party has been so secretive that she labels it "covert".[229]

There are those silly facts again.

The Anti-Alinsky -

FTT has already provided a link - directly beneath your last inane post - addressing the Koch Brother contributions to the TP… the only thing all you TP/GOP folks have is to call people Socialists/Communists…

That is very impressive as your TP/GOP are eating each other now, and they are falling apart.

Anti-Alinsky (if that is your real name). Fine. I was going to let this go if only to spare you further embarrassment from your so-out-of-touch-it’s-not-even-funny arguments. But you insist, so here we go: Compare the Tea Party platform with the actions of the TeaPublican Congress. You will see my point.
Tea Party plank #1) Eliminate Excessive Taxes
http://www.forbes.com/sites/beltway/2012/03/23/paul-ryans-budget-plan-more-big-tax-cuts-for-the-rich/
“TPC found that in 2015, relative to today’s tax system, those making $1 million or more would enjoy an average tax cut of $265,000 and see their after-tax income increase by 12.5 percent. By contrast, half of those making between $20,000 and $30,000 would get no tax cut at all. On average, people in that income group would get a tax reduction of $129. Ryan would raise their after-tax income by 0.5 percent. Nearly all middle-income households (those making between $50,000 and $75,000) would see their taxes fall, by an average of roughly $1,000. Ryan would increase their after-tax income by about 2 percent.”
cont.

Tea Party plank #2) Eliminate the National Debt
http://www.forbes.com/sites/beltway/2012/03/23/paul-ryans-budget-plan-more-big-tax-cuts-for-the-rich/
“”Earlier this week, TPC projected the tax cuts in Ryan’s budget would add $4.6 trillion to the federal deficit over the next decade, even after extending the 2001/2003 tax cuts, which would add another $5.4 trillion to the deficit.”
Tea Party plank #3) Eliminate Deficit Spending
http://www.forbes.com/sites/beltway/2012/03/23/paul-ryans-budget-plan-more-big-tax-cuts-for-the-rich/
“And since no high-profile Republicans want to raise taxes on gains and dividends (and many would cut investment taxes even further) this budget would likely result in a huge tax cut for those who need it least. That’s not a great way to start an exercise whose stated goal is to eliminate the budget deficit.”
cont.

”Reduce the Overall Size of Government – to only fit in a woman’s doctors’ office or our bedrooms”
http://democrats.energycommerce.house.gov/index.php?q=news/new-report-on-the-anti-women-voting-record-of-the-112th-congress-identifies-55-anti-women-votes
“Since the beginning of the 112th Congress in January 2011, the Republican-controlled House has cast 55 votes for anti-women policies that undermine women’s health, roll back women’s rights, and defund programs and institutions that provide support for women.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2013/01/03/tea-party-republicans-favor-spending-taxpayer-money-on-anti-gay-discrimination/
“DOMA has already been found unconstitutional by lower courts. The House GOP has already spent over $1.5 million paying outside counsel to defend this law…”
cont.

“Believe in the People – only as long as they are Judeo Christian.”
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/cair-video-tea-party-anti-muslim-hate-comes-to-ohio-school-184148581.html
“At the December 10 event, titled "Infiltration of Islam in America?" and sponsored by the Mansfield North Central Ohio Tea Party, at Mansfield High School in Mansfield, Ohio, speaker Usama Dakdok called Islam a "wicked cult" and made hate-filled claims …”
“but wouldn’t it be grand to hear all the Neo-Fascists gripe about the “Liberal Courts” as the citizens of WI take their state back from the Corp. Tea Party.”
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/17/walker-administration-battling-to-keep-wisconsin-union-law-in-force/
“With Dane County Circuit Court Judge Juan Colas posing the latest challenge to his signature policy achievement, Walker indicated politics was at play again… a liberal activist judge in Dane County …”

Though it may pain your heart, there are no similarities between my trash talk about the Tea Party platform and the Holocaust. I am not talking about the dehumanizing of millions. That is the Tea Party. I am advocating equal rights and treatment under the law. I am also not lying. That is also the Tea Pary. It really is too bad their actions don’t back their big talk. That sounds like you, Anit-

John Wilson (if that is your real name) and FreeThoughtTroy, show me where I said the Koch brothers were not contributing to AFP, the Tea party movement, or FreedomWorks. What I responded to was both of your inane comments that the Koch brothers were CONTROLLING all three entities.

But let take your silly arguments the direction you are headed. If the Koch brothers do contribute to any or all three, so what? The Kochs support an ideology of smaller government and more open markets. As long as AFP, TP and FW are working towards those goals I can support them. As far as controlling those three organizations, again show me where that is happening. If your implying that their donations will dried up if they don’t do exactly as the Kochs say, that is speculation on your part. Besides Johnny, you said “…there is no ONE Tea Party…”, so how do the Kochs control all of them?

Haym Salomon died broke supporting the American Revolution. The only thing he expected from the United States was an opportunity for freedom for himself as well as everyone else. So how is this different? It’s not.

Finally, while I find Wikipedia to be a good starting point for information, I rarely cite them as a source. It is too easy for some idiot to edit the pages. Case in point, during the 2008 primaries. I was looking up Hillary Clinton and the lead paragraph described her as “…a bitch running for the Democratic Presidential nomination…”

The Anti-Alinsky -

IF you don't understand the relationship between huge amounts of money - control - by now, you are indeed thick.

The Koch Brothers, and the huge corporations are not interested in “small government” nor are they interested in “limited government…” their real goal is “no government.”

You may support “small government” if you care to, that is your right to cling to any ideology, no matter how unworkable, unsustainable and insipid. It sounds like something one would read on a bumper sticker, “I’m for small government!” That might have made some sense in 1776, when America had a population of 3M and we were writing with quill pens. In 2013 we have a population of 311M and computers do the bulk of our work. Grover wants to drown “government” in a bathtub; the Koch Brothers want the same thing, as do the rest of the gaudy and grotesquely rich. Why? So they can have complete, unfettered control to exercise their never satiated greed, without having to buy anyone in congress. Now, thanks to you folks in the TP/GOP clown car, they have enticed folks like you to do their treasonous work for them, and the grand bonus is, you mindless sycophants actually believe you are being patriotic!

Plutocracies have absolutely no appeal to me.

The Anti-Alinsky

That was a great post. I will concede your point and apologize for my cynicism the minute this ONE condition is met.

Based on your argument, there are no union thugs running the Democratic party, United Wisconsin, etc. Based on your argument, they are random groups that share the same vision and goals for the state and country.

Post your acknowledgement of this and publically apologize to all the Progressives on this site and to the Progressive groups in this state. Once I read that post, I will apologize to you and the rest of the Tea Party Conservatives on Patch and the state. I will post for post. I have apologized on Patch before. There is no shame in admitting one is wrong and asking pardon.

These are YOUR arguments, The Anit-Alinsky. If the Koch Brothers do not control the Tea Party, Unions do not control the Progressive Caucus (who had the absolute BEST budget proposal… too bad no one took it seriously).

FTT, again you read too much into what I wrote. I said while the Koch bros. have contributed to AFP, TP and FW, I asked for evidence that they control ANY of those groups. The Kochs support those groups because they believe in the same thing.

As for apologizing for links between the unions and Democrats I can't. I never claimed make that connection. I have stated things the unions have done, such as bus thousands of people in for the Capitol protests, and providing the bus for the fleeing 14. In addition, Kathleen Falk accepted the union endorsement/money by being the first to declare she would overturn Act 10. I will say that Democrats are very sensitive to union desires and leave it at that.

John Wilson (if that is your real name), I have never advocated for no government. We need some form, the idea is to limit it to those things we truly need, a court system to solve disputes, some form of organized military to protect us, as well as other things we can not do alone, such as roads, schools and sanitary systems. It is the overreach of government that is the problem.
Do we need Obama-NOcare to dictate how healthcare is to be run? No, we need some regulation, but the free market system will provide a stable and economic way to run it.
Do we need the EPA to dictate how and when we can build homes (on top of local entites)?

While we need SOME govt. we have gone way overboard. Time to loosen the reigns a little Johnny!

The Anti-Alinsky –

“Time to loosen the reigns a little Johnny!"

I don’t think so… every time you people in the clown car get into power you want to deregulate something(s) that helps keep humans healthy or reasonable safe from economic predators, clean air, clean water, fracking, Consumer Protection Bureau, EPA or destroys our economy… like the 25% of businesses that pay no federal income tax, you just want it for free. America is not your personal sandbox, and thanks to an increasingly informed electorate, those "reigns" will not be loosening up anytime soon.

As for, “I said while the Koch bros. have contributed to AFP, TP and FW, I asked for evidence that they control ANY of those groups. The Kochs support those groups because they believe in the same thing.” [The Koch's only believe in making money, anyway they can!] The TP/GOP is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Koch Brothers, and they only contribute money to organizations to exercise their greed and vulture capitalism. You are not going to find a smoking gun here; the Koch Brothers are not going to be going on national TV anytime soon declaring, “We control the TP through our donations, directions, and edicts.” And while these multiple TP organizations all claim independence and private funding, they are nothing short of puppets to the Koch's.

On top of his usual nonsense, John Wilson (if that is his real name) wrote:

“…every time you people in the clown car get into power you want to deregulate something(s) that helps keep humans healthy or reasonable safe…”
Jimmy Carter deregulated the airlines and interstate trucking. Deregulation doesn’t mean we throw the whole book out, we just find the excesses that are contributing to higher prices or slowing the industry down.

“…like the 25% of businesses that pay no federal income tax…”
Johnny, many businesses are corporations and pay CORPORATE taxes”

As for the rest of your posts, again ALL rhetoric. Of course the Koch’s contribute to AFP, TP and FW, and GOP. They are fighting for a freer marketplace so they can grow their businesses (and here’s the kicker Johnny, provide JOBS). It the same reason Unions generally support Democrats, so they can gain more power through legislation!

Show me some evidence where the Koch brothers actual control those groups!!!

The Anti-Alinsky –

“As for the rest of your posts, again ALL rhetoric. Of course the Koch’s contribute to AFP, TP and FW, and GOP. They are fighting for a freer marketplace so they can grow their businesses (and here’s the kicker Johnny, provide JOBS).

So, where are the JOBS?

“The billionaire Koch brothers this month threatened to fire many of their more than 50,000 employees if they dare to vote for President Obama or any other Democrats in the 2012 elections.” [Great JOBS incentive...]

http://rt.com/usa/koch-brothers-obama-vote-501/

The Koch Brother are as interested in creating JOBS as Dahmer is in becoming a vegetarian…

John Wilson (if that is your real name),
1) That article is five months old, where are all these firings?
2) How can they tell who voted for whom?
3) You actually believe a new source controlled by Vladimir Putin?

The Anti-Alinsky -

Gosh, the article is 5-months old!

The Constitution is over 224-years old!

You have no argument; the evidence is clear: the Koch Brothers are billionaire bullies who only want power and control... and demonstrably everything that is wrong with this great Republic...

John Wilson (if that is your real name),

That is one of your lamest posts yet. If you have no facts just give it up.

Exactly, the uber lefties will be on target with an uber lefty site. In less than a year when Obamacare hits the fan the GOP is going to look like the smart kids in the class. When the Obama supporters find out that health care is not free, and that it is rather expensive and still difficult to get, the Republicans are going to start looking pretty good. Pay your premiums or pay your fines, it's the new law of the land.

Add Walker the no jobs Gov!!

One Wisconsin Now @onewisconsinnow 26s
Yep, Worst in midwest, 44th in nation on jobs. MT @wispoliticsfeed: Huebsch says administration has ‘set Wisconsin apart’ #wiunion

@Cap
You mentioned ol Phyllis. She is still being stupid!

RightWingWatch MA @RWwatchMA
via @RightWingWatch: Phyllis Schlafly Denounces Rob Portman's 'Stupid' and 'Dumb'... dlvr.it/365wQl #FightingtheRight #C4 #rww #p2

Obama's Approval Tanks In 2013 http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/03/19/Obama-s-Approval-Tanks-In-2013 … // after election poll results #Obamasucks #tcot

Phyllis Schlafly is about as relevant as when SNL used to report on Francisco Franco. They would say, "And Francisco Franco is still dead".

It should be said about Phyllis, "And Phyllis Schlafly is still alive and still full of crap".

Bet Breitbart would have found that in heaven there is beer. If only he'd be there.

You can't bet, you don't pay!

More slander Greg? Better keep hiding behind your screen ID because it would be damed tempting to sue you.

Typical Tansandy
Attack the messenger. No matter. Facts are facts and #lyingRyan is tanking.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/19/paul-ryan-poll_n_2907816.html?utm_hp_ref=tw

Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) is viewed favorably by just 35 percent of American voters, according to a Rasmussen poll released Monday. Fifty-four percent view him unfavorably.

A bare 52 percent majority of GOP voters gave Ryan positive marks, down from 83 percent when he was selected as the Republicans' vice presidential nominee in August 2012.

According to Rasmussen, that puts Ryan far behind Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.), former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush (R) and Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) in terms of popularity within his own party. Ryan also finished a distant fifth in this past weekend's Conservative Political Action Conference straw poll, taking 6 percent of the vote.

Plain Talk: Good thing Obama didn’t try Walker ‘reforms’: http://bit.ly/YrmS8j

Good thing Walker didn't impose Obama's ideology!!!

Richard -

"Good thing Walker didn't impose Obama's ideology!!!"

Gov. Walker does not know what "ideology" means...

$1B borrowed for stimulus by Walker, gives one hope that the light bulb may just be coming to life!

John Wilson, not your name I understand, you are right, spend, spend, spend, borrow, borrow, borrow, it will work every time, bankruptcy that is. And by the way you are one great mud slinger, with that I'll chose to ignore your comments!

Walker needs to get a brain!

@Progress2day Updated @GovWalker job plummet numbers put Wisconsin No. 44 among states since 2011: bit.ly/1392Qai #wipolitics

Yes, see me, i am now a Latino. Please vote for me. I also order tacos from Taco Bell.

That's as good as when Willard sang, "Who let the dogs out".

See Dick walk. See Jane run. See the TEAPublicans relating.

@Progress2day Third Year in, @GovWalker starting to Cost Taxpayers L... democurmudgeon.blogspot.com/2013/03/third-… #wiunion #wipolitics

Richard,
Some here, like morninmist, are just like the idiot at the bar that roots for the other team, regardless of who the home team is playing. They are just bores seeking attention.

Scott Walker Medicaid decision could cost Wisconsin employers $36 million

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/scott-walker-medicaid-decision-could-cost-employers-36-million-dq9753i-198858511.html

The $36 million is due to Obamacare, put the blame where it belongs.

Wow. More attempt at using big words to impress Richard.

"More attempt"???

God, this guy is so...damned...cool - http://www.businessinsider.com/video-obama-heckled-israel-2013-3?nr_email_referer=1&utm_source=Triggermail&utm_medium=email&utm_term=Business%20Insider%20Select&utm_campaign=Business%20Insider%20Select%202013-03-21&utm_content=emailshare

2014 Obamacare provides health insurance for all Americans. How much more do you need?

morninmist -

The legislature will, in all probability, go against Gov. Walker and ultimately accept the Medicaid dollars. There is a great deal of opposition to Walker’s decision to bypass this money, mostly by businesses and the health care industry, his base.

Further, the “borrowing” of $1B by Walker is also a very problematic issue, as we remain 44th in job creation. Knowing Gov. Walker, the light bulb will begin to glow later, much later, when he finally understands you cannot “create jobs” by forcing half of Wisconsin to live on unemployment and Medicaid; “austerity” is great – look at the UK and EU – if you are a monk in a monastery…

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/scott-walkers-plan-to-borrow-nearly-1-billion-hire-700-works-hits-speed-bumps-hf97nnu-199055781.html

Just add it to the $800 milion that he didn't want for high speed rail. California is now using that money to build it's rail sytem.

it's just more of Walker's trying to win the race to the bottom., Watch out MIssisippi, here comes Wisconsin.

Richard –

As one tasked with documenting and memorializing you low-forehead folks in the clown car, I can assure you that all of us rational people find your very existence quintessentially offensive.

FYI: We live in America… and, yes, we do realize that you do not understand much...

John Wilson or whoever, Look who's talking, your classless rhetorical degrading commentary make my case, your comments, as Greg alluded to, are not worth paying any attention to. Good luck in your rants, folks are getting tired of your childish words. Again, all you folks do is parrot your parties agenda, no critical thinking nor common sense economics invade your space. So long!!!

Richard –

The two under the barrel TP/GOP sycophants, with a cumulative IQ of 70, seem to feel that, “John Wilson or whoever, Look who's talking, your classless rhetorical degrading commentary make my case, your comments, as Greg alluded to, are not worth paying any attention to.”

And yet, they continue to engage, as they blithely hide behind their pseudo screen names, inane TP/GOP ideology, and champion paying women 77¢ for every $1.00 a man makes. I would suggest that these folks are Neanderthal’s, however, that would be an insult to Neanderthals…

Even a neanderthal knows that the 'paying women 77¢ for every $1.00 a man makes' claim is not actually true when an 'apples to apples' comparison is made...

Those comparisons have been made, and the gap still exists. This is yet another case where it's not talent, contribution to the bottom line or other factors come into play. It's leverage.

Wrong Keith. The $0.23 gap only exists when you take average male salary - average female salary. It doesn't account for things like equal work, experience, etc.

"An Analysis of Reasons for the Disparity
in Wages Between Men and Women PREPARED FOR:
U.S. Department of Labor"

http://www.consad.com/content/reports/Gender%20Wage%20Gap%20Final%20Report.pdf

Even Huffpo doesn't buy the 77 cents for every dollar claim.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/christina-hoff-sommers/wage-gap_b_2073804.html

Sorry CowDung, but there is disparity in pay between the sexes

http://www.bizpacreview.com/2013/03/21/women-minorities-second-class-citizens-in-obamas-white-house-56807

At least in the Obama White House!!!

Oh yeah Dung. American Enterprise Institute. I'm impressed.

If the US Department of Labor accepts the data to be true, you should as well.

http://social.dol.gov/blog/myth-busting-the-pay-gap/

Open your mind, Keith. You might learn something if you stop to think about the lefty talking points you keep spewing.
http://articles.marketwatch.com/2012-07-26/commentary/32859540_1_gender-wage-women-staffers-higher-paying-fields

Dung, here's a link that supports the idea of the gender pay gap.

http://social.dol.gov/blog/myth-busting-the-pay-gap/

Keith:

The article you linked really doesn't support your claim. It states that discrimination does not account for the 23% pay differential, but most of the differential is because of career choices and other factors controlled by the employees.

Using the 23% pay differential figure to justify new equal pay laws is dishonest.

CowDung –

Keith’s link: http://social.dol.gov/blog/myth-busting-the-pay-gap/

“DESPITE THE EVIDENCE, myths that women’s choices or other legitimate factors are the “real” cause of the pay gap persist.” [CAPS ARE MINE]

“REALITY: Decades of research shows a gender gap in pay even after factors like the kind of work performed and qualifications (education and experience) are taken into account. These studies consistently conclude that discrimination is the best explanation of the remaining difference in pay.”

“Researchers have found that merely the status of being a mother can lead to perceptions of lowered competence and commitment and lower salary offers.”

“REALITY: It has been nearly fifty years since Congress mandated equal pay for women, and we still have a pay gap. There is evidence that our initial progress in closing the gap has slowed.”

The pay gap is as real, as is your disingenuousness…

The pay gap due to discrimination is nowhere near the 23% that the left continues to claim that it is. The link puts it around 9.2%.
From Politifact:

"The Obama campaign took a legitimate statistic and described it in a way that makes it sound much more dramatic than it actually is. The 77-cent figure is real, but it does not factor in occupations held, hours worked or length of tenure. Describing that statistic as referring to the pay for women "doing the same work as men" earns it a rating of Mostly False."

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/jun/21/barack-obama/barack-obama-ad-says-women-are-paid-77-cents-dolla/

CowDung –

From your link: “The 77-cent figure is real, but it does not factor in occupations held, hours worked or length of tenure.”

[The 77-cent figure is real.]

Nor does it factor in the amount of sunlight, rainfall or snowfall; you can play many games with caveats – PolitiFact does and has been smacked down for that before – but serious researchers dismiss this flawed analysis.

http://www.census.gov/prod/2011pubs/p60-239.pdf

Do you honestly believe that 'amount of sunlight, rainfall or snowfall' is at all related to wages? Do you think it is wrong that 'occupations held, hours worked or length of tenure' factor in to the amount that people are paid?

As I stated before, the figure Keith cited is not an apples to apples comparison. Unlike you, I consider it 'flawed analysis' to complain about a wage gap and then as 'evidence' compare the pay of a male engineer to a female burger flipper (for example). Yes, there is a wage gap between the two workers, but most people would agree that the wage gap in the example isn't because of discrimination, and isn't unfair.

Where there should be concern is in situations of equal pay for equal work, not the generalized 'females only earn 77% of what males earn' crap that the left keeps pushing.

As the link you gave us Dung showed, that I reran, was that when compared against factors such as education, age, experience, etc., the 77% split holds.

In fact, it thought the link you gave originally is the one I used to prove that the pay gap holds.

Married men with working wives should be upset about this as well, because it means less money coming into the household.

Business could get away with this because women used to be less assertive. The ladies, thank God, are waking up. The millennials are becoming especially aggressive.

Apparently you missed this part:

"Economists generally attribute about 40% of the pay gap to discrimination".

Doing the math, that works out to 9.2% rather than the 23% you keep claiming.

...and the article does not state "when compared against factors such as education, age, experience, etc., the 77% split holds."

From the linked article:
"Decades of research shows a gender gap in pay even after factors like the kind of work performed and qualifications (education and experience) are taken into account. These studies consistently conclude that discrimination is the best explanation of the remaining difference in pay. Economists generally attribute about 40% of the pay gap to discrimination – making about 60% explained by differences between workers or their jobs. "

Do you see the difference between what you are claiming and the facts?

CowDung –

ALL of the "reliable research" and "verifiable data" is against your position… READ THE LINKS!

Occupations held = sunlight
Hours worked = rainfall
Length of tenure = snowfall

“Even accounting for factors such as [OCCUPATION], industry, race, marital status and [JOB TENURE], reports the GAO, working women today earn an average of 80 cents for every dollar earned by their male counterparts. This pay gap has persisted for the past two decades, remaining relatively consistent from 1983-2000.”

“Women earned about 79 cents for every $1 made by men, according to the 2009-11 American Community Survey, a poll of 9 million households conducted by the U.S. Census Bureau. That was up from 78 cents in the 2007-09 survey. The data, released today, showed 680,300 more women and 1.9 million fewer men were working than during the previous three-year period.”

http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2012/04/focus-3

http://www.pay-equity.org/

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-10-25/wage-gap-for-u-dot-s-dot-women-endures-even-as-jobs-increase

In case you haven't noticed, I have been posting information directly from the link that Keith provided.

“Women earned about 79 cents for every $1 made by men, according to the 2009-11 American Community Survey, a poll of 9 million households conducted by the U.S. Census Bureau. That was up from 78 cents in the 2007-09 survey. The data, released today, showed 680,300 more women and 1.9 million fewer men were working than during the previous three-year period.”

So where is the 'equal work' part of that survey? If men and women aren't doing the same type of work, it shouldn't be expected that their earnings should be the same.

CowDung –

“So where is the ‘equal work’ part of that survey?”

The EQUAL WORK part of that survey… wait for it… can be found in the data provided in the “2009-11 American Community Survey…”

Do you not see this that this article references a source?

That source is: “2009-11 American Community Survey” (ACS) [Reading/Research impaired?]

http://www.census.gov/acs/www/data_documentation/2011_release/

I know you are still wondering around in the text of Keith’s original link – never mind that it references SOURCES – for their conclusions, that need to be EXAMINED.

We can’t feed you mindless TP/GOP folks all the information in pablum form; we require that when you read an article, you also go to the SOURCES referenced in the article… I know this is new to you; then too, it actually requires that you WORK your MIND…

John
Keith's article could not have been more clear with their statement. Discrimination accounts for only a 9.2% difference in pay.

CowDung -

Never let the facts in 5-links I sent you persuade you otherwise.

If 9.2% in wage inequality is due to Discrimination, then the other 13.8% can be chalked up to Greed...

Your complete lack of understanding regarding the variables involved in gender-based wage inequality, after being given a virtual Titanic of reliable and verifiable facts, does help me to more clearly understand how someone like Walker could ever be elected as Governor.

Actually, the other 13.8% is attributed to choice differences between males and females. Are you saying that it is 'greed' that causes more women than men to seek lower paying careers, jobs that require less travel/time away from family, time away from work to raise a family, etc.

CowDung –

I’m just pleased we have traveled the road of “no gender-based” pay disparity, to “only a mere 9.2% gender-based” pay disparity and finally arrived at – what Keith and I were say from the start – “a 23% gender-based” job disparity.

I guess you are missing the point then. If you want to address pay discrimination, then be honest about the wage disparities due to discrimination.

Most of that 23% wage disparity isn't because of anything the employer is doing wrong.

CowDung -

Let's blame the victim...

"Most of that 23% wage disparity isn't because of anything the employer is doing wrong."

GREED IS GOOD!

Most of the 23% wage disparity isn't because of anything the employer is doing RIGHT.

“DESPITE THE EVIDENCE, myths that women’s CHOICES or other legitimate factors are the “real” cause of the pay gap persist.” [CAPS ARE MINE]

Not sure what kind of 'evidence' you keep trying to refer to. That same article you keep quoting is the one that states that the differential is '9 cents of discrimination and then 14 cents of life choices'. It also talks about women losing out on wage levels because they don't choose to go into higher paying STEM careers as often as men.

Funny how they mention those things if the 'evidence' indicates that those choices have nothing to do with the wage differential...

CowDung –
"Not sure what kind of 'evidence' you keep trying to refer to.”

http://www.census.gov/prod/2011pubs/p60-239.pdf

http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2012/04/focus-3

http://www.pay-equity.org/

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-10-25/wage-gap-for-u-dot-s-dot-women-endures-even-as-jobs-increase

http://www.census.gov/acs/www/data_documentation/2011_release/

You really have to possess some meaningful level of reading comprehension, analysis and logic to follow the above 5-additional links providing even further ‘evidence’.

As I stated before, ‘I’m just pleased we have traveled the road of “no gender-based” pay disparity, to “only a mere 9.2% gender-based” pay disparity and finally arrived at – what Keith and I were say from the start – “a 23% gender-based” job disparity.’

John:

Once again, you miss the point. If there is indeed any actual evidence, why does the article ignore it and make statements that support my position?

...and when you use the 23% figure when calling for changes in legislation, it is dishonest as legislation can only address issues of discrimination.

Hope you fake sex better than you fake outrage.

What a very, very, very strange thing to say.Herr Schmitz

No wonder you are Bewildered. It's a joke. Some work. Some don't.

And the clowns from the GOP do great damage to that image.

Actually, Red Skelton bored my wife.

Bored as in "made weary"?

It's not the Repugs that are causing the money to be spent. The Repugs didn't start the recalls, the Repugs are not the ones challenging everything. It is the Dumcrats that are taking the money from the children with Dumcrat challenges to everything. But in the end the Repugs programs are working and the unions organizations like WEA Trust are no longer stealing the taxpayers blind.

Hey Greg

"Repugs programs are working"

No jobs for Wisconsinites. Walker and Repugs programs are NOT working.

@Progresss2day Unemployment Rises In All 72 Wisconsin Counties
http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2013/03/20/unemployment-rises-in-all-72-wisconsin-counties/ #wiunion

@NatashaChart Obama approval slipping, but more approve of Prez than GOP on handling of deficit, 53-39: people-press.org/2013/03/21/sec… #wipolitics

How about an update on all of the death and mayhem due to the sequester? Add that to Obamacare and the Prez is going to lose a lot more points.

I understand Scott Walker is a huge Hank Aaron fan. So in homage to Hammerin' Hank, Walker has us at 44th in job growth.

Do you even read the crap that you re post? That is pathetic! I see that fear mongering is the only tool that the left has in there bag, but this letter to the editor is just plain stupid.

Fear mongering? Hell, nothing we could conjure up would top weapons of mass destruction.

And locally, all of the financial bogeymen Walker unearthed to push his "emergency" measures.

What "emergency" measures? Or is this a joke, satire or irony too?

Looks like little Greg has found a meme.

Did the Men in Black erase your memory. As soon as the three Stooges were installed in state office we had to have our hair on fire about the fiscal emergency that was visiting our state. ACT 10 was supposed to be the "remedy," which like leeching made the economic situation worse.

The Onion? This is really showing your desperation.

Like Rodney Dangerfield put, "these are what we call jokes."

In the old days they called them Jesters or Fools, which is quite fitting since Keith is an old fool.

Greg -

In the 21st century they call these comedians, Tea-partiers, like Palin, Bachmann, Perry, Trump, Gingrich, Willard, Santorum, Cain, Rand Paul… my gosh, there is no end to the list of these bat crap crazy folks riding in the clown car… all desperately attempting to destroy the Republic and make it their personal sandbox...

Bazinga !!!

Somehow I perceive you are easy to entertain Greg.

Obama did't run on his, maybe Governor Walker just needs to give out some free stuff.

No-no. Don’t worry. No party line rhetoric, there.
You claim to be an independent? Please.

Who?

@Dirk, You brag about being an expert on popular culture, epidemics, phobias and spawning. What are you, some type of lofty doctor fish?

Greg intimidates easily.

Hardly Keith, Dirk's bragging is just a constant curiosity.
Brett Hulsey seems to be the only one out there that is actually scaring anyone. And I think he wants to check Dirk's prostate.

I wish Hulsey would have had a concealed weapon permit and taken a Glock 23 which chambers a .40 Smith and Wesson bullet and can have a magazine of up to 22 bullets. Pick one up at your local gun show. And that would have been less controversial, and perfectly legal.

Degree in what?

I agree. Someone without a college degree should not be leading our nation (or giving advice on educational programs for our country). It is kind of embarrassing that he can be a governor without having earned a college degree in this day and age.

Degree in what? From where? Should it be from an Ivy League school only? Should the Constitution be changed?

How about a degree in anything? This ain't 1940.

OK Anything, that makes sense. Until it's a Democrat without the degree.
Line up the strawmen, my cow wants to take a nap.

Greg claims on this blog he has two Masters degrees, so that probably tops any of us, and we should defer to his vast intellect, though I suspect one of the Masters is in Drywall.

You are close, MArch.

Walker has given up on creating jobs. He is off to TX

@AliasHere @NeoRenfield @Progress2day -@GovWalker in TX instead of creating jobs in WI trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/2013/03/wiscon… #wipolitics #wiunion

You got a link on that, toots?

morninmist –

Actually, I applaud Gov. Walker for getting his divisive derriere out of the state of Wisconsin. Even though he is only there for 3-reasons, 1) to get some of those TX businesses to move to Wisconsin, so we too can get comfortable with that $8.00 per hour and no benefits TX jobs 2) to pick up as much of that TP/GOP money as he can vacuum up from those lemmings and 3) his scheduled brain transplant with Gov. “Oops” Perry…

The special interests are buying the Democrats faster than they can pay back their supporters. End the sequester, the special interests are facing a revenue problem.

How in the world can you call hundreds of thousands if not millions of people "special interests" when your buddy Scott Walker only cares about the Forbes top 20.?

Tanked again Keith?

To Greg, the 99% of us are special interests. We are just a pain in the arse to the 1%, who are the real patriots.

Lefty propaganda and fear mongering, nothing more.

Gee morn, I sure hope he doesn't convince any of those donors to relocate some of their business here, some people might have to leave unemployment.

It is amazing that we can't find the money to man airport control towers, but the same money is used to buy shiney new trains. Kinda like buying Ripple with the rent money, isn't it?

NewWisGov ‏@NewWisGov 11m
Well anti

Sure would be grand if Walker did some work in WI to create some jobs!

Elections have consequences. We elected Scott Walker & fell from 11th to 44th place for jobs. #OneTermWalker #wigov pic.twitter.com/2abbwbklHr
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morninmist wrote: "Sure would be grand if Walker did some work in WI to create some jobs!"
Governors only create public sector jobs. They only thing they can do for the private sector is create an ENVIRONMENT for job growth. Regardless of where Governor Walker's job creation numbers are at the moment, it is guaranteed to be better than the 121,000 lost under Diamond Jim Doyle's administration!

(cue John Wilson -if that is his real name- with some inane comment)

Actually it would be great to have Doyle's job creation record back. Sure, up until 2009 things weren't too hot in Wisconsin in terms of jobs, just like in the rest of the country. Then Wisconsin's job picture began to improve through 2010 (the election was in November). As soon as Walker's policies took over in 2011, job numbers dropped. In fact Doyle did better in his last year with than Walker has done going forward -- and this with jobs improving everywhere else.

Why are you accepting such poor performance? For a few bucks in tax relief, which when it comes out in the wash probably isn't happening anyways?