ok if his one supporter shows up they can place yellow tape around his space

The 'lunatic fringe' runs on emotion. Their argument and delivery is emotional. Yet, emotion does sell newspapers, etc., which is why, I suppose, that the local media is rather complicit in giving unequal voice to the anti-whatever campaigns. Ask any 'recall' supporter to justify why a recent election by the majority must be reversed and a sitting, duly elected Governor ousted, and they will not be able to reply with quantitative, lucid, factual argument; their reply will be based on emotionally fueled falsehoods, misconceptions and leftist rant. Don't get me wrong, I'm totally against the 2-party system in general, but I am for less spending, less taxing, less intrusion, less oversight, less government. The 'anti's' are for all of those things, and in my experience, when bluntly asked to simply quantify their positions, I have yet to hear an argument that justifies the removal of this sitting Governor that is not founded in emotional heresy. Sorry, anti's, you've been heard, now have the same respect the 'pro' supporters gave you when you created problems that didn't exist, problems that cost (with mounting costs) all of us taxpayers millions in unnecessary services invoices. This weekend, it's your civic obligation to respect your fellow taxpayers and shut the f' up, and put a cork in your emotional rant. If you spent as much energy in creating opportunity and employment as you do in demanding to be on the dole, I'd probably listen to you. But I've heard enough from you.

Ray , Ray . Let me start with one fact. Not the lunitic fringe. Many who voted for Walker have signed the recall petition. Another fact and probably the most important. When the senators left the state the people of Wisconsin spoke in overwhelming numbers. Both dems & Reps. The gov. refused to listen to the people of his state. The gov. has been very heavy handed in his attemt to fullfill the ALEC agenda. He was not elected for that purpose. I object to $7 mil. being spent on voter ID. Show me the prosecutions that warrant such measures. Fitzgerald stated on FOX that the goal is to stop union dues from going to the dem. party so that Obama can be defeated. That is an agenda . Not in the best intrest of the state. Who has really divided this state?

Richard, my use of 'lunatic fringe' was in reply to Dirk. Yet, I do consider the lack of reasoning for what I have personally observed to be an emotional lunatic fringe as a generally accurate assessment of the brainwashed sheep of the Democratic political party brand affiliation. Democrats would vote Hannibal Lechter as Chubby Girl Scout Leader if he was running for it as a Democrat. As much as I hate the delusional herd loyalty to ANY political party, I don't see this as much on the Rep. side as I do the Dem. side. Reps will at least reject someone who claims to be a Rep for whatever reason they saw on TV that gets drummed into their heads repetitively as a quasi-transgression, like getting laid or some likewise absurd transgressional invention. Dems on the other hand will vote for a man JUST because he is a Dem and there is nothing that candidate could do to get himself on the side of disloyalty by the deluded herd. Clinton got laid by an employee in the oval office and Dems still supported him. Their brand is 'the common man', 'the victim', 'the downtrodden' and they NEED the constituency of victimhood to stoke the fires of emotion, which sells their brand. If you really want to know who divided this state, look to everyone who votes A or B, instead of freely voting for an independant free thinking American who isn't beholden to the stockholders of the brand for which he is shilling. Or scheckeling, perhaps.

Ray-Ray. You are the devisive person. Every issue with you is left-right. Dem-Rep. Face it there are many from both parties and some with no party affiliation that take the same stand on the same issues. One of which is gov. Walker. So 1,000,000 is not the fringe.

Richard, calling me divisive based on my comments is like calling a boxing referee divisive. The 2 party system is like 2 gladiators pitted against each other at the bidding of the emperor, for the distraction of the masses and amusement of the emperor. I'm guessing you may be one of those people who simply cannot think out of the box after years and years of socio-political brainwashing that may make it impossible for you to conceptualize a free vote outside of the 2-party system. Divisivness is built in to the system. It IS the system. Our best choice is to transcend the divisive paradigm and come to an agreement that the 2 party system is an imperial feign that dupes Americans into compromising away their freedom, vote by vote. If I mention the words 'Constitution' or 'Liberty', I may be labeled a Libertarian, and if I was to associate with any party, that's the closest one I've seen that's a match so far; a party that actually wants actual freedom, particularly freedom from the fatal flaws in full bloom in the A v. B choice, Dem OR Rep. I say F' 'em BOTH. They BOTH have crashed our country and forward agendea of the suspense of freedom, each one hammering away at the others' financial interests at the expense of our country's very existence and the future liberties and functionalities of we the people.

4 minutes ago ( 5:30 PM)
Scott Walker blind-side­d the good and unsuspecti­ng people of Wisconsin. They will return the favor this Spring.

RECALL SCOTT WALKER NOW.

Ray-Ray . You seem to put everyone in a " box. " It must be tough being "you " Life from your point of view is frightening. Our conversation started with you looking for someone with an argument for removing a sitting governor . I gave you some. You did not address my reasons but instead went on some rant . I guess you had no answer for my reasons for signing the petition. A little honesty on your part would help.

Richard, you're right. I did wander off point. Such is the blogosphere. To address your points, you've made some wide brush strokes, but again, such is the blogoshpere. I don't completely agree that there was heavy-handedness out of the ordinary; it's just that the austerity measures legilsated upon require action. As far as the ALEC agenda, I simply don't agree. In no way do I feel in this world that requires ID for most citizenry mobility, voter ID is anything less than standard accountability. Who profits by NO voter ID? Those whose ends justify the means, quite simply. Those who travel to WI to vote unlawfully, those who vote for the dead, those who vote for those who did not vote, those who vote in multiple districts, etc. Voter ID stop that. A state ID card is free. I would add that if someone has a mobility problem getting a free state ID card, wouldn't they have a similar mobility problem getting to the polls? As a concession, a free state ID card should be and could be issued at an ALIS terminal at the local cop shop or city hall, with presentation of a birth certificate, military ID, etc., etc. If you object to $7mil spent on election integrity measures, you should object to the $30 mil spent on stopping the admin that is trying to spend the $7 mil to protect elections. Elected officials generally won't prosecute election fraud because they have been elected. That's a little like the junkies running the pharmacy.

Ray-Ray you are still dodging my reasoning for signing the recall petition. You did however spend 80% of your blog talking about voter ID fraud . I am only aware of 1 case in wisc. where there was a prosecution. An elderly man told his friend that he may of made a mistake and voted twice. Of course his friend turned him in. 7 million dollars to protect our selves from this!! The real reason for voter ID is to disenfranchise voters. Case in point.. In Texas a gun liscense is OK but a public ass. ID isn't. You can spin anything but Karl Rove stated the intent of the new voter ID laws. To help win elections by holding down the vote. I try hard to see both sides of any issue, and I agree with some of what Walker is doing , he , however, has overstepped. The dems must provide a good candidate or Walker will remain.

Richard, I don't think I dodged your comments. You talked of the ALEC agenda, which I think is about voter ID. I don't listen to the pundits on TV and I don't listen to TV's 'gladiator' media. I imagine that whatever Rove said was a snippet taken out of context, or spun somehow to influence the 'Rove is evil' crowd. After all, this is what 'gladiator' media entertainment shows do. They pit rep v dem brand loyalists against each other. That does butter the bread in advertising revenues. Does Rove have so much influence? How could he, if he so villianized? It's a joke on the lot of TV watchers who believe they are seeing truth, when in reality they are not seeing truth, but what the people who product the show want them to see and then believe as truth, from the alter of the priests of the NWO. On your other point, I don't think that when the Dem senators left, the masses were speaking at all. I believe it was the Dem senators speaking in character at the behest of their handlers, the financial influences buttering their bread. WEAC, SEIU, Teamsters, AFL-CIO, etc. Lots of money in those union dues for those who work for those unions. The cost run-ups they create are but collateral damage for the rewards they reap for their own profit. The cost to the taxpayers to put their pay for play guy in the governor's mansion is of no concern to them, so long as their revenue steam flows. Blame, then oust Walker for this? To quote The Godfather's Hyman Roth, "He's small potatoes".

Why can't these people respect the rights and requests of the pro-Walker crowd to celebrate him and his policies in private and free from the left's interference and shenanigans?
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Hopefully, this deprogramming will work on some of you.

The Left is dividing the state? Really? You mean because the Left isn't willing to sit back and allow you to inflict your harm on their rights, they are dividing the state? You really are a clown.

Actually, you're wrong. The "right" absolutely tried to interfere with the 'solidarity singers' at the Capitol in Madison

As a matter of fact,
1) Governor Walker told a man he thought was David Koch that HE (Walker) "thought about sending Agitators Into the crowd to cause trouble so police would arrest the peaceful protesters."

2) Those on the right broke laws as they tore up signed re-call petitions.

My point: Stop acting so sanctimonious as the frighwinged fearmongers constantly cause trouble

@BRT929 -

Yeah, OK there buddy.

What side was it that fled the state when they weren't going to get their way? Despite the right being fundamentally opposed to Obamacare, I didn't see any Republicans from DC heading for the border, did you?

What side was it that occupied the capitol with noise and signs containing communist and nazi propaganda?

What side was it that protested a Special Olympics event?

What side was it that has initiated several recalls of duly elected public officials over a single issue as opposed to a dereliction of duty?

What side was it that made the Kloppenburg v Prosser election a referendum against Walker and his policies and lost?

What side was it that ... you can fill in the rest, as this list is quite literally endless.

The right tolerated Doyle and the Dems for 8 years without all of these cry-baby shenanigans, remember?

You are clearly the clown here that is trying to divide the state.

Try again.

@Adam -

What do your two 'matters of fact' have to do with the right allegedly interfering with the so-called 'solidarity singers' at the Capitol in Madison?

And regarding your 'facts,'

1) Do 'peaceful protestors' really shout profanities and fighting words while carrying signs depicting their 'enemy' as being akin to Adolf Hitler and the like? Or pour beer over the head of someone that they disagree with? Or… the list is endless here. If that's your definition of 'peaceful,' then all I can say is wow! Also, Walker only ever said it was an idea that was floated but instantly rejected. As a leader, you explore all potential avenues of resolution, especially when several politicians were receiving threats of death and violence at the time and the capitol wasn't secured - it could have been very easy for some nut to have snuck in and detonated a bomb. I'm glad that Walker was open to considering all options and dismissed that one as immediately as he did - it shows openmindedness to unconventional solutions.

2) And those on the left did the exact same thing to the recall efforts that were launched by those on the right against 3 of the fleeing 14, so how are you using this to hold out your side as being so much better than the other side exactly? Bit hypocritical of you, but I guess that's par for the course from the left.

Fact of the matter is that when the left holds their little rallies, there are rarely if ever mass counter protests planned by the right, as the person on the ground reporting from Madison during the signature turn in events indicated a zero presence of pro-Walker supporters at such events.

And yet, every time the right wants to hold a little celebration, the left constantly has to organize a mass counter protest. That's pretty sad and clearly indicative that the right is far more supportive of allowing the left's voices to be heard, but all the left ever wants to do is attempt to drown out the voices of the right. That is a FACT that is proven by this article.

Try again.

@JRH, a little off subject but have you ever watched interCHANGE. http://www.mptv.org/localshows/interCHANGE/ My favorite Joel McNally is on there and I like to torture myself once a week listening to his stupid giggle.

Jimmy -- the right would love to interfere with the anti-Walker protests if they could but they can't.

Even with all the Koch money busing wingers out to Madison when the recall effort had a massive rally all they could muster was maybe a thousand.

Can you explain why you are looking in Paris Procopis underwear drawer?

I hope it was only for a brief moment....

hey! this Paris P guy is pretty funny to boot!

So erasmus, thousands of people, some are saying over 4000, I must have a pretty organized underwear drawer :)

Probably because a majority of the pro-Walker crowd respects the rights of the recallers to their differing opinions. Obviously, as is made clear by this article, the same cannot be said about a majority of those supporting the recall effort. And that's just one of the stark but very real contrasts between these two sides.

Very telling indeed, is it not?

Quite disingenuous aren't you?

Who was tearing up petitions and bragging about it on facebook?

we were working

You're joking, right, James R. Hoffa? The pro-walker people have physically attacked recall supports, torn up petitions and even burned down a recall office. Recall supporters have been subjected to death threats, many of them captured on video. In what world are they more respectful? Oh, right, in the world where we boo soldiers and applaud executions.

@ Fran8847 -

Wow - where are getting this crap from? Individual lefty blogs and the Daily Kos?

"torn up petitions" - yeah, and the left did the same thing when the right attempted to recall 3 of the fleeing 14 earlier last year, or did you forget about that?

"even burned down a recall office" - yeah, where's the official report of arson leading back to an organized effort by those on the right? Believe in propaganda, rumors, and conspiracy theories and then perpetuate them as 'facts' I see. That's very telling of your impartiality, or lack thereof! This is just stupid!

"recall supporters have been subjected to death threats, many of them captured on video." - hmmm.. just like Walker and several Republican legislators have been subjected to death threats as captured by photos of signs, in videos, and on facebook and other internet websites.

"in the world where we boo soldiers" - ummm… I hate to break it to you, but its those on the left that do this, just as it was those on the left who spit on our troops returning home from Vietnam and shouting things like 'baby killer' at them.

"applaud executions" - and your side applauds abortion, the only difference being that people are executed for having committed injustices upon another human being. What exactly did the fetus do to deserve to die?

Fact of the matter is, which you want to ignore, is that when the left holds their little rallies, there are rarely if ever mass counter protests planned by the right, as the person on the ground reporting from Madison during the signature turn in events indicated a zero presence of pro-Walker supporters at such event.

And yet, every time the right wants to hold a little celebration, the left constantly has to organize a mass counter protest. That's pretty sad and clearly indicative that the right is far more supportive of allowing the left's voices to be heard, but all the left ever wants to do is attempt to drown out the voices of the right. That is a FACT that is proven by this article.

Try again.

Most people have a job and can't spend all week trying to destroy the state..
GO WALKER>>>>

4 minutes ago ( 5:30 PM)
Scott Walker blind-side­d the good and unsuspecti­ng people of Wisconsin. They will return the favor this Spring.

RECALL SCOTT WALKER NOW.

I wonder how many they will manage to gather? I'm guessing less than a few hundred.

@donna c.... Why do you think the pro-Walker people needed to show up in mass numbers, while you were in Madison? We were happy with the Governor and you were no threat to his progress then, as you are now. Why would we have needed to counter your protest??? If your looking for mass crowds of Scott Walker Supporters, you will see them at the polls when we reelect Scott Walker as the Governor of Wisconsin. Shrills and drum banging will do nothing for you there :)

@Pamela -

Nice, very nice!

We were at our jobs earning money and not protesting and getting fake Dr. excuses

Cute Donna what is tea bagging again? I'm starting to see what the c stands for.

Donna the Walker supporters were hard at work, earning a paycheck and paying taxes that fund the folks on the public dole (or is that public Doyle?).

Can you quantify your statistical allusion? What percentage of the jobs created that you allude to were government jobs (not sustainable)? What percent were private sector jobs (contributing and sustainable)? Can you support your argument with fact, or are you citing something you heard on a website that can't be reconciled? If your argument is true in essence, can you agree that the enormous tax load placed on so many levels of our income dollars in WI, a reality that was in play long before this current Governor's service began, may contribute to such a state-to-state comparison? What I'm asking is that, parity not existing in state tax loads, could it be that states with across-the-board lower tax loads offer more opportunity for speed in economic recovery than those with a greater general tax burden? If given a 3-state choice, would you start a corporation in Nevada, Texas, or in WI? If your citing ends up being based in the majority on private sector jobs, could the state's non-parital tax loads be a more significant factor than is a Governor who has sat for a few months?

Ray Ray . I would chose the state where the governor is pay to play. Any red state.

Richard, I disagree with your logic that 'red state' means pay for play. The 2-party system is flawed as such in all states where party political agenda is advanced and compromised as a bargaining chip, with only those with financial interests represented. And that would be all 50 of them. ONLY pay for play has representation. Ever try to get a court appointed lawyer for a civil matter? Nope, gotta pay to play. The poor? How about the number of people 'poor' programs employ-the admin, the vendors and suppliers, etc., Pay for play interests. The justice system? How about those who profit from the court and incarceration system? The vendors and suppliers, the insurers, etc.,etc. Now that everything but sitting on your hands is illegal, it all comes down to pay for play interests. Environmental concerns? Who profits from action? Who profits from no action? Safety laws like mandatory insurance, etc. Who profits? Whatever it is in front of the legislature, you can be assured that it is a pay for play endeavor. Follow the money, as the old saying goes. You can't say with a straight face that Doyle's administration, in this blue state, was not pay for play; it was, as was Thompson's, Earl's, Lucy's, Knowles, etc., etc. On a side note tangent, the state colors are reversed. The blue staters are more likely a bunch of reds. (There you have MY rhetorical contribution.)

unemplyment is down in the state and I the numbers will be revised as always. He will gain jobs as soon as your stop the protests and recalls. think about it would you want to set up a shop in a state that is trying to be taken back by a bunch of nuts who want to run us into Doyle debt. Rebuild a bunch of union rights that control business No way

Ever try to get a court appointed lawyer for a civil matter? Nope, gotta pay to play----------------------Not if your Gabelman, he gets 6 figure legal representation for free but then again when he he favors the attorney's that gave him that representation I guess it is pay to play

Big Pete, are you saying that the representation you refer to was NOT pay for play? Despite your wide brush stoke, unaudited figures, I'm sure that any representation he recieved was in fact a status quo example of pay for play. EACH party is guilty of it. ALL politicians practice it. Even this action is pay for play-those with financial interests oppposed to the Walker agenda are demanding to get THEIR pay for play candidate in the pay for play office.

Lets put the blame of job loss and slow job grow where it belongs. It is not because of the governor or our president. They are the ones saddled with the monumental problem created by all the people of this nation that DIDN'T WANT TO LIVE WITHIN THEIR MEANS. They wouldn't have been cool or very popular with the "in crowd of 2002" if they did. The ones that would rather eat Mac & Cheese and hot dogs every night, while living in a home they knew they couldn't afford from the get go. Oh yes, I know what I am talking about. I HAD friends that LOOKED LIKE they had everything one could ever dream of. The big spenders we used to go out to dinner with, that bragged incessantly and would poke fun at the rest of us who were more frugal with our money. Now who's living, in a too small of an apartment, with only one car, with credit debt and bad credit up to their eyeballs, crying about that bad President Obama while eating their Ramen Noodles? Hey, maybe it's all your fault for not spending your money on our state and local businesses. It's easy to blame someone. It's not so easy to come up with the right or fair solution out of this mess. Give those men some credit. They at least decided on their own, to stand up to the challenge.

@Pamela -- " I HAD friends that LOOKED LIKE they had everything one could ever dream of. The big spenders we used to go out to dinner with, that bragged incessantly and would poke fun at the rest of us who were more frugal with our money."

"Hey, maybe it's all your fault for not spending your money on our state and local businesses. "

Which is it,Pamela? The ones who spent too much or the ones who spent too little? You look resentful of someone, but it's hard to tell in that mess of contradictions.

In October the dems put forward several jobs bills and were shut down, in fact, the republicans only had the assembly open for one day in September then closed down. Fitzgerald blamed it on the recalls, but how did the recalls prevent them from working? How did that cause them to close the assembly?

@Randy1949,
"Which is it,Pamela? The ones who spent too much or the ones who spent too little? You look resentful of someone, but it's hard to tell in that mess of contradictions."

You saw contradictions? Frugal doesn't mean spending little money, it means spending ones money wisely.

Have you actually read any of the several stories I wrote about the Celebrate Walker rally? Such as the first one, which was the first story anyone wrote about it? Which included exactly the same kind of links to their Facebook page and event page? Or the video report I did showcasing Jerrid Madden, the 16-year-old featured speaker? Or the one I published several hours before this one, about the security and traffic control measures the pro-Walker people were taking? Or, for that matter, this story, which quotes nobody from the anti-Walker side but does quote not one but two Celebrate Walker organizers? I have bent over backward to provide coverage to Walker supporters of their rally that is as extensive and balanced as the coverage that was given to the Recall Walker side when they rallied here in November. And, by the way, the purpose of using links in political stories such as this is not promote beliefs or attendance but to lead astute, careful and sometimes skeptical readers back to our sources so that they may judge for themselves the legitimacy and accuracy of our reporting.

Mr. Price--I almost thought that comment was a joke--are you sure it wasn't? The true criticism would be to giving the small pro-walker rallies equal coverage to the massive, unprecedented, never-before-seen in Wisconsin rallies against him. That's the news. Although fair enough for you to cover this as a Tosa story, as this is a big event for Tosa (not for the state as the other ones were).

Yes, Donna, I'm comparing only my own coverage of events occurring in Tosa, not statewide coverage. The Recall people had 1,000 people in Tosa in November with some protesters to their event. The Celebrate people hope to have 1,000 people tomorrow with, no doubt, some people protesting their event. I'm doing my best to be fair to both sides. The Patch news sites in the region – there are 15 – have also provided very extensive coverage of both the protests last spring in Madison and the statewide recall effort. And in that, too, I think we have tried to be fair and unbiased.

Tom, you must have been home schooled and missed the lesson on evidence driven logic.

Scott Walker was handed a surplus last year. He immediately gave business friends a tax cut creating a defeat of $134 million which he then used as excuse for all the drastic, inhumane cuts he instituted, including the collective bargaining and related anti-labor legislation.

@Joe--THAT is what Kathleen Falk was pointing out. We were NOT broke. We were in pretty decent shape for a recession, until he came in and gave away money and declared us broke. Shoot, no money, maybe we better end collective bargaining and to make it look like it's about money, let's charge them 5.9% for their pension, even though they already pay for it via deferred comp (anyone that doesnt' get this, see "The Wisconsin Lie Exposed" in Forbes magazine. Tax payers do not pay for the state workers pensions.

No more questions. The prosecution rests.

Interesting that you should bring up only the state of Illinois. Yes it's true our neighbors to the south are mentioned but you forgot to include New Jersey and Ohio,both run by republicon governors. You'll find that the majority of their debt is due to underfunded pension plans. You see all governors have the same problem. They just can't seem to keep their hands out of their employees money. That last governor from Wisconsin that tried to do that was Thommy Thompson when he took (stole) money out of the states pension plan and gave it to American Motors. It took a year but finally the Wi. Supreme Court slapped Thommy on his hands and said that's not your money that's the states EMPLOYEE'S money. Keep your hands off of it. So guess what, now governor no degree got one of his stooges in the assembly to propose that PRIVATE INVESTMENT BANKS get to take over the states 80 billion dollar investment for states workers. Since it's inception this has always been done with Wisconsin workers who have felt the results of what they invested in. If this is instituted you can see that 80 billion slowly go down the tubes just like your home values and 401K's. The tax payers will be on the hook for the underfunded pensions but Walker will be long gone. It's called pay to play!!!!

I like to go bass fishing and I like a good funky bass line.

Scott Walker will SOON (not soon enough) be out with the tide. WE ARE the 99%ers

I must be a 1%er.

Glad you have a crystal ball because I sure don't. Still haven't heard how they are going to undo all of Walker's accomplishments or do they really want to.

No administration has yet to undo what Carter did at the Federal level, doing away with collective bargaining for federal workers. Why not, if it has been so terrible.

"Typical bully attitude, it's mine, I won't share."

Actually, Mau, that's the attitude of the one percenter who makes extra millions by increasing his own profits by lowering the compensation of his producers, even if that means depriving them of their livelihood altogether, and then resents paying taxes on some of those profits to repair the damage that has done.

Why do we protest? So that you can't delude yourself into thinking everyone agrees with your point of view.

You must be talking about Bill Clinton who hides his money in the Cayman Islands. Or maybe the Kennedys, Soros, and any number of other 1%er democrats.

Randy. really that would basically mean that the business would fail as who would want to work for someone like that. If you perform you will get paid better. If you do a job like everyone else does and like everyone else can you will bet paid the rate that one could hire anyone to do that job. Thats the correct way to pay people. I get paid on how much I sell and how happy my customers are. The more I sell the more I get paid. Everyone should work this way its the free market

@Mau -- I'm not saying that there aren't rich Dems who evade their taxes. But I hear Mitt Romney has money in the Caymans too.

@Randy1949, I do not support Mitt Romney. The ONLY Republican I support is Ron Paul. The others are all as bad as Obama.

Thing is I don't have this hate affair with the top 1% no matter what their party. But it seems all the liberals on this blog don't feel the same way, as can be seen by the rich conservative names being smeared on here.

@Mark -- Sometimes those businesses do fail. After a period of good profits because of the decreased bottom line, the consumer catches on to the poor service and takes their business elsewhere. But not before the original owners (or the venture capitalists who took over and made the cuts) sell out and pocket the money.

I won't name names, but there's a local airline that used to be known for quality and now is struggling under a new name and new management.

@Mark,You get compensated for everything you put into your job. That is wonderful. And I am here to tell you, that is rare these days. Payroll reduction is becoming an art. For me and other key managers where I worked for 17+ years sacrificed our hearts out, to grow a very small company, large. Together we built a fine reputation in our industry. If our dept. failed in anything, we took it personal. We owned our mistakes. We would go 3 years+ without job evaluations or raises because the owner's were too busy from "GROWING." They would thank us and promise us the moon every year in their traditional speech to the troops, at their Christmas banquet. We were a family, so I thought, until the owner's decided it would be cheaper for them to hire people, from the outside and wedge them between us and them. The "new managers" so to speak. "New blood" they called them. "We don't understand why you're upset?" "Just think of all of the things you're going to learn from these people" they said. We had to teach them our jobs!!! We felt humiliated and we all left the company one by one, just as the owner's had planned. It had to have been planned, because they cut our positions out completely after we left. They didn't promote any of our deserving assistants into our old positions or give them a raise for the extra workload they put upon them when we left. Bitter? There isn't a word that even comes close to how I feel. So be careful people, the 1% is getting craftier.

@Pamela. That sounds pretty rotten. I think from your comments you're a Republican, but I personally hate to see workers disrespected in that way, no matter their beliefs. I think there's an all out war on workers and that is why they are going after the unions. Whether in a union or not, there should be some loyalty and respect for hard workers. Let me guess, were the new people younger (and therefore paid less and likely to cost less to insure)?

@donna c,
Thanks for your support as a human being :) Most of those that were hired from the outside, were young fresh out of college and a few were closer to our ages, who settled for the low wages and benefits. There was no union. As for benefits, there was a pay in group health plan, that offered 3 plans that covered just the employee, ranging from $4.95 per week, to the Cadillac plan for $12.95 per week. If you were a Supervisor or above, the company paid it for you. It didn't cover much, if anything and you paid for services up front and the insurance company reimbursed you their share. I don't belong to any party. I did not vote for Gov. Walker originally. I know what it is like to budget for every nickel and I do feel for those, who have unforeseeable added expenses put upon them during these trying times, no matter who they are. I am for practical and fair solutions. I am not 100% in agreement with everything that Scott Walker does. But, I do agree with enough, not to warrant his recall. As for Unions.... I am still torn on that debate. I have personally found, that you can't have the most ideal employment with them and you can't have the most ideal employment without them. I wish there was one great Union. One that would put an end to all other unions, and we all worked for Mr. Fezziwig and not, for that old Mr. Scrooge :) Ha! Ha! Ha!

No way 3000. I parked two blocks up the hill at a friend's house and the entire street was empty. Is there a secret republican underground parking facility somewhere nearby where the cars were hidden? Your majority stayed fairly silent today, considering that a speech by Erpenbach can get 30,000 peolpe to Madison, while in the middle of the largest city in Wisconsin, a rally with every Reppy official in the state draws "3000 people".

@Pamela. I resent the mindset of SOME employers that every time there need to be cuts, look to the workers, take from the workers or get cheaper (younger) workers. They can't keep cutting pay and hitting the work force and expecting people to still have money to spend. There was an article recently called "Squeezed" about how when people are let go, their work is just spread out on the other workers. And, they are oftentimes expected to still get it done in 40 hours. I know this has happened everywhere I've worked starting in the 90s. The productivity of the US worker has skyrocketed, but we don't get more time off for it, just more work.

Gail some like you believe in equal opportunity. I believe in freedom of opportunity. That is the concept that most democrats dont understand. You feel everyone should be entitled. Everyone should be paid by what they do and how long they have done it as opposed to how well they did it.

gee, you mean fairness like signing multiple time's or signinging Donald Duck or protesting in Madison, doing damage and the tax payer has to pay for the damage. Ya you tell me all about fairness.Teachers calling in sick{lying} going to Madison to protest and getting phony doctor excuses to cover their absence. If I did damage would you be willing to pay for it?No difference than the damage done at the capitol. Fairness my rear.

@HRG -

I'm not denying that pro-Walker forces are probably present at the majority of the lefty events, but even you have to admit that there's a big difference in decorum between the sides when counter-protesting. The right usually has no problem with the left voicing their opinions and views, but when it comes to the right voicing their opinions and views, the left is constantly trying to shout over, drown out, bang drums, and cause as much of a disruption as is necessary to turn the attention to their antics as opposed to the voices of the right.

After all, when was the last time you saw a pro-Walker supporter banging on a drum in counter protest? Be honest here!

There's a clear lack of mutual respect between both sides towards each other, however, the greater culprits in this respect are clearly those on the left.

Yep, they were always there, as was I, but they were drowned out for the most part.

morninmist: Yes, he will have boatloads of money, but let's hope that people vote on the issues and not let money buy another election.

30 years ago lots of people had good jobs. Lots of people had good pensions before this race to the bottom--including airline workers, brewery workers, steel workers, GM workers. Now that those good jobs have gone to china or wherever, people want to get rid of any decent jobs that are left and call those workers greedy. They are fighting for their own demise. We're all workers.

@Zuma Bound -

"Dinosaurs like you, Bobbo, need to STFU and just get out of the way."

WOW - if you're what the 99% movement represents, then clearly the 99% movement is a threat to America, as that kind of sentiment is clearly un-American.

BTW - in case you forgot, the majority elected Walker and the Republicans in 2010. But I guess that the 99% doesn't respect the voices of the majority very much, or anyone that embraces an alternative ideology for that matter, do they? How very selfish and self centered of you guys!

Shame on you!

Hey JRH
"BTW - in case you forgot, the majority elected Walker and the Republicans in 2010."

Keep up to date--it is now 2012 and Walker and the TeaGOP has a record and it is not pretty--and the signers of the petitions have good memories. Walker will have his money but we have the people who have memories of his lies and abuse.

cheers.
PS--Have a good rally.

Reppies always celebrate falling wages, as long as they're someone else's. Wages for 80% of Americans have been stagnant for thirty years, but not a single complaint from them, their policies are working just fine. Even better is a place like Wisconsin, where wages are actually falling now.

Did you ever think that maybe us "right wingers" feel the same way but are pointing out your inconsistencies when name calling. You write this "I'm innocent" comment and then have to throw in ALEC. Speaking of which, since when has Thompson become the hero of the left?

No, Mau. Both from personal experience and different studies and articles I've come to understand that right wingers in general (there are always exceptions) are more tied to authority figures and are more loyal to those people even when given proof of negative facts about them. It's borne out with Fox. Fox won the right to lie, they say they are entertainment not news, and fox viewers time and time are shown to be much less informed that a view of mainstream news, but that won't stop them from watching fox because it's about the personalities, not the facts.

I don't watch Fox. We can't afford cable or satellite television. Liberals assume all conservatives listen to Fox, Limbaugh and the other talking heads. I listen to more PBS than I do to conservative talk.

By no means do I believe that the Republicans are better. In fact my analogy has always been "Both parties are heading for the same destination. The democrats are driving through the city and the republicans are taking the by-pass. Same destination, different speeds".

I support Walker because he has finally had the guts to do something that isn't popular in a supposedly populist state.

Mau--I understand. I actually don't affiliate with either, thus the comment about T. Thompson, but am opposite you re: walker. I think he's a menace and many of the tea bags too. The original Boston Tea Party was anti-corporation--they do not understand it and are pro corporate. The tea was dumped as a protest against the East India Company. It wasn't about taxes.

I have never been to a Tea Party event or been a part of their group. I am more libertarian than anything else. Ron Paul is more my thinking though I don't agree with him all the time either. But he is at least pointing out how our country is taking such a dive with both parties in power. And he has come up with some solutions that we need to do. Problem is the money from both parties are bent on destroying his message.

Donna C - What is it about the the act of lowering a part of the male anatomy into another another that you are so fixated on? Do you need to use that term? Really? It shows just how shallow you are.

I know you like to use "right wingers" very frequently - is that a derogatory term too?

Sounds like we need Ron Paul as our next president.

@mau -

Right on my friend - Ron Paul is our best hope, but I'll also vote for Santorum if it comes down to it. Those are the only two candidates that I would actually want to vote for. Any other candidate and it would merely be a 'lesser of two evils' protest vote against Obama, which I know after McCain you really can't stomach again.

Just out of curiosity, what do think about a Paul/Ventura ticket, as Ventura has publicly stated that he would run as Paul's VP if Paul made an independent run? I'm not aware of Paul's sentiments on this at all, but it's an interesting notion none-the-less.

@donna c -

Most already do pay more than their fair share. The real issue is about eliminating preferential treatment so that everyone is paying the same rate according to the same standards. Simplification of the tax code and a reduced competitive effective tax rate and policy would alleviate your concerns, and that's exactly what every single GOP Presidential candidate is pushing for. On the other hand, Obama seems to prefer government handing out preferential treatment by supporting the current tax code.

You're right, it is pretty simple. But then why are you so opposed to the current GOP and TeaParty movements? That's what I don't get.

No--most do not pay their fare share. Most make their money on unearned income, so pay 15% to my 30. That's why Warren Buffet said his secretary pays more percentage wise that he does. When it comes to social security, they stop paying at $100,300 (not sure of the exact number), after that, they pay nothing, so that all us that make under that, pay on every penny we make, while people like rush, pay on their first pay check or two and no more. Pre Reagan they paid a much higher rate and the country was much better off. When capitalists have to pay more taxes, they tend to spend money and stimulate the economy in an effort to pay lower taxes. So they invest in America, buy capital equipment, upgrade their factories etc. Reagan's and bush's tax giveaways to the rich along with clinton signing free trade are responsible for the mess we're in. That and Bush's unfunded wars. NOT THE TEACHERS.

@JRH, Santorem is looking more like someone I would vote for too. I need to listen to more of what he stands for before I would commit. He peaked my interest last week when the media tried to smear him with a group they tried to affiliate him with. He may be a draw for the conservative Catholic vote.

No on Ventura. I think he would drag Paul down like they used Palin to drag McCain down. I would have to refresh my memory of what struck a bad cord with me about him. I wish I had a better memory for such things. How about a Paul/Paul ticket? I would go independent if Paul went independent. Even though I said I never would after Perot. And if the Obama campaign gets too nasty then I will hold my nose and vote for anybody but him.

@donna c -

You appear to be confusing both individual and corporate taxes, as from your original statement, it appeared that you were talking about corporate taxes, but now you shift the subject and are now talking about individual taxes.

In regards to Warrant Buffet, he makes a majority of this income on capitol gains from investments, and not from labor. Personally, I agree with you that income from cap gains (whether short or long term) should be taxed at the same rate as income from labor, or maybe even 2-3% higher. And once again, this is a policy initiative that most GOP candidates endorse. In fact, Paul wants to completely eliminate federal taxes on income from labor all together. And Obama, well, he wants all tax rates to stay at present levels except for an increase to the marginal tax rates on labor above a certain income level, but remains silent about what he would do with the capital gains tax rate. Which is why everyone has come out and said that his Warren Buffet argument is wholly disingenuous, because the tax rate increases he and the Dems are currently proposing wouldn't effect Warrant Buffet in the slightest.

So, the GOP wants to encourage people to make their own money from both labor and investment, while Obama wants to encourage people to make their own money mostly from investment while discouraging making money from labor by taking more from your earnings realized from labor.

But then why do so-called 'labor unions' support Obama? Good question. Think about it.

Reagan's tax breaks lowered taxes on marginal income earned from labor across the board - not just the rich. Clinton and Bush were the ones who oversaw the lowering of the cap gains tax, first to 20% and then to 15% respectively. And admittedly, Bush also lowered the top tier rates on income from labor, under the 'job creator' theory. But now, the GOP are the only ones talking about lowering and flattening the tax rates on income from labor across the board, to as low as 0% under Ron Paul. So, let's get our facts absolutely straight here, shall we.

Free trade over fair trade was one of the supply side causes of our problems, but consumer sentiment is responsible on the demand side. Personally, I think that the problem must be tackled from the demand side of the equation, as what good is there to an infinite supply if there is no demand for the product? Asian cultures teach and indoctrinate their youth with principles of economic protectionism. Here, I clearly remember my teachers in the class room promoting Japanese built cars as being superior in quality to American union made cars throughout the '80's and '90's - how does this kind of mentality help our cause exactly? You tell me.

I agree that the wars didn't help anything and I didn't support them - that's why I like Ron Paul. On the other hand, Obama promised to pull us out immediately on day 1, which he didn't do, and then went and got us involved in Northern African conflicts and conflicts with Pakistan, so he's not much better with his war record, is he?

The clear solution here, and according to your personal sentiments expressed here the candidate that you should be backing, is Ron Paul, is it not?

After all, let's be real and honest here, shall we?

@Hoffa. There are a lot of good things about Ron Paul but he would do away with social security, right? I don't agree with that. I don't think we should be policing the world and have military bases all over the world--I agree with that. And I think he has integrity, he doesn't change what he says for the most part is true to his beliefs. There will always be an element of society that needs help and I believe they should be helped. I also believe that people who work hard all their lives should get to retire and have at the minimum social security to keep them from abject poverty. That's what I believe. Places with higher taxes have better standards of living, places with low or no taxes like Haiti and Somalia have lower standards of living. I believe in taxes, but I don't believe in war.

It's not completely up to consumers. In many cases, you can't buy some things made in America. Plus wages have not risen in relation to inflation, so to buy something not made by slaves is very expensive and hard for many to afford. If there were import tarrifs on the cheap imports American goods could compete. The right calls that protectionism as if it's bad.

@Hoffa -- don't know that I'm confusing them, just talking about less taxes being paid either via wages (ss) or non wages (unearned income). Then there are the corporate taxes where some like GE pay negative tax. That's ludicrous. But, I think you know more about this than I, so give me your take on this please:
http://wweek.com/portland/article-17350-9_things_the_rich_dont_want_you_to_know_about_taxes.html

Donna:

The main reason that GE paid no federal taxes was because of the collapse of the financial sector. GE Capital caused the US operations of GE to finish the year in the red. GE has paid taxes in the past and will pay taxes in the future. What is ludicrous is how so many continue to cite GE as an example of how big businesses don't ever pay taxes...

If we got rid of SS like Ron Paul and some other republicans have suggested, it would improve the tax burden on the middle and lower classes. I'd love to have a system where I could invest the money that I currently contribute to SS into my own 401(k). We keep hearing that SS isn't sustainable, so the sooner we start phasing it out, the better for everyone.

@JRH, If you get a chance watch Paul's ad about Santorem called Betrayal on YouTube. A professor who reviewed the ad didn't deny the allegations only that the issues were either "context" or "out of context". I am also concerned that he is a hawk in the same vein as McCain and Obama. So I'm back to Paul.

@CowDung, Good point about S.S. and I would be all for that, except a major portion of our population doesn't like to save toward their future as it is, or lost a good portion of it during the recession and are living on the rest, to get by because they can't find employment, so back to the drawing board we go. Boy do I wish they just left it alone and was super diligent in making sure the right people received it from the beginning.

@Zuma -

You honestly consider my 1:42 pm post as being a "hissy fit" - REALLY??? So then what exactly do you consider all of the protests, frivolous lawsuits, recounts, recalls, counter-protests, boycotts, threats, drum banging, Koch Bros conspiracy theories, etc. coming from the left to be?

And I guess you don't consider listening to the will of the majority as being a substantive response, which kinda proves the point that I made above about the 99% movement that you claim to represent, doesn't it my very confused friend?

Seriously, think about it!

Speaking of all talk...Lyle Ruble everyone! Lyle Ruble!

Sales, assets and receipt figures mean nothing in terms of taxes. Taxes are paid according to profits. When companies lost money and earned no profits, they paid no income taxes (they still pay their payroll taxes).

Everyone does pay for SS--currently, everyone pays SS on the first $106.8k of their earnings.

If it is a Canadian oil company, and does not have any employees or operations in the US, how would the US have any authority to collect taxes from them?

@donna c... If you don't make 'earned income' you don't pay SS taxes. You only collect SS based on your (or spouse) 'earned income' level;interest and dividend income earnings do not qualify one to participate in SS.
FYI: Obama-care brings us the added tax burden of a 3.8% medicare tax on unearned income, for some individuals.

Jay sikes--yes, that's what I said.

@donna c... Sorry, I read what you wrote as though you expected unearned income should be SS taxed, even though it wouldn't get you any additional SS cash benefits in the future. And taxing interest and dividends additionally with the SS tax would be a serious disincentive for people to save.

Donna:

If you don't like companies coming in and taking all of 'your' oil, then feel free to start drilling your own wells and use the oil for yourself. I suspect that the oil companies aren't drilling without paying some sort of fee to buy/lease the land or buy permits to drill offshore. The oil companies pay for the right to drill, they pay the cost of doing the drilling, they pay the costs associated with getting the oil to market, they deserve to keep the profits they make by selling the oil...

Dung: Exxon Mobile poster $30 million in PROFITS. The highest profits ever. And the price of gas keeps going up, but you're satisfied because they (probably) pay for drilling rights to take oil that belongs to the US and sell it on the world market? OK. http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune500/2011/full_list/index.html

How are you determining that they are the 'highest profits ever'? By dollar amount, they probably are. By measure of profit margin, they really are not.
Using your link, Exxon made $354,674 million in revenues with a profit of $30,460 million means that they spent $324,214 million in order to make that profit. If I do my math correctly, that comes to a profit margin of around 8.5%. Not exactly the huge margin that I would call 'record profits'. There shouldn't be anything wrong with a company posting a modest profit on the money they invest.

How does the oil belong to the US? If they purchase the mineral rights for the land/area they extract oil from, then the oil belongs to them.

Which of her policies do you object to? I don't know much about her except that she had a land use policy that attempted to contain sprawl in dane county.

This is WI projected revenue, based on Scooter's budget: http://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/2011/related/fe/sb10/sb10_DOR.pdf Do you SEE a surplus?? And this is based on HIS projections, which I doubt include the 6-months of job loses....

@Zuma Bound(hiccup), Look who's calling who, a wingnut. Your a the nut with wings. Your comment sounds like you're a lot higher than you were minutes ago, maybe you should go sleep that one off.

The trickle down hasn't worked. We don't need to keep giving tax money to corporations. They are not good citizens--they are always in search of a better deal. So give them $2 mil and they stay a year, then go to Arkansas. Stay there a couple years and go to Mexico. Who does that help?

Reaganomics said"the Rich man gives the poor man a job" It did not work because the rich man cut benefits and wages to maximize his profits. The rich man also moved jobs out of the country to further maximize his profits. When enough Rich men do this there are fewer people who can afford their products. That is economics.

Oh demand side economics . Like obama ? ARE YOU BETTER OFF TODAY THAN YOU WERE 4 TRILLION AGO ? You are clueless. I have a economics degree. So i very confident I understand the economic models better than you .

State unemployement rate is 7.1 percent . It was 9 when Doyle cleared out . The state budget is in slight surplusand Walker paid back Doyles loan from Minnesota. He didnt illegally raid other funds like Doyle . Public workers should pay a portion of the healthcare like everyone else. Incentives to businesses are ZERO if jobs arent created. Property tax was flat for the 1st time in 25 years. These are all GREAT things for the state. You want to go back. I understand why the unions do .....its all 100 percent about UNION DUES for them. They want a steady cut of taxpayers money! No thank you. WALKER ALL THE WAY!

Oh demand side economics . Like obama ? ARE YOU BETTER OFF TODAY THAN YOU WERE 4 TRILLION AGO ? You are clueless. I have a economics degree. So i very confident I understand the economic models better than you .

@skinnyDUDE...An economics degree? If you say so, but you certainly aren't educated. I have been following you and seem to not be able to put any consistent thoughts out. Your grammar and spelling is horrible and you certainly can't write with any coherent clarity. Please dazzle me with more of your brilliance.

I've stayed off patch for months as all it is is a vicious circle of the left and right spilling hate towards each other. And if anyone doesn't realize Patch is a Huffy left wing shill ,you're dreaming. Just look at Sarah's proud photo on her Facebook infront of the Walker recall truck. Not quite objective reporting huh!

But the reason I'm here today is once more Lyle has made himself the king ( was going to say Emperor but Obama has already claimed that title) of all educated people, lashing out at misspelling and grammar mistakes. In the words of Sriro T. , my goodness, Lyle, you are an " impudent snob". Enough already. How have we let this little man holded up in the People's Republic of Shorewood proclaim himself the " great and powerful Oz". This is a man who proudly proclaims himself as a socialist who hates all who believe in democracy. Lyle, what makes you think that, with your trumped up work history you keep boasting about, you are a leader. Does the one class you run at the JCC make you an expert?

Enough. Give it a rest. Stop attacking people that their education doesn't match yours. Do typos really bother you that much. If you are really that wise, run for office. School board, local govt. do something other than spend your life on Patch.

By the way, I left some typos just to give you fodder.

@Bewildered...Sorry, I don't have any connection with the JCC. I respect and relish people's opinions, no matter the political leanings. However, when someone claims certain qualities, expertise, etc; their ability to communicate needs to reflect such. I prefer to comment on the quality of their ideas, content, and the context of their comments.

Serious question: Where was Walker today? I know he had been in NY and out of state raising money. I think both sides will agree, there's going to be WAAAYY too much outside money coming in to try and sway OUR Wisconsin govt. We don't agree on Walker's competence to do the best job for all our citizens, but I have also noticed that Wisconsinites are very clever when it comes to signs. The funny ones, not the hateful ones. Both sides. (see? maybe we do have something in common!)

Oh Lyle. Once more our self proclaimed "über intellectual " is playing judge and jury on educational credentials and proper usage of the king's English. So, for all that English is your second language or who have a blue color, non degree lifestyle, don't risk the wrath of LR by participating on Patch. What's that term you so love, Lyle?....oh yea, .....SHAME

@Joe: He was raising money from one of the AIG banksters, no less.

Yeah like the integrity the liberal flea baggers showed by not doing there jobs. GIVE ME A BREAK! The lefties consistantly give tax payers a raw deal .Thats a fact!

It is too rare but very nice to see a voice of reason. Thank you Mrs. R. (no we are not related)

@Craig
Thats all very true. But the fact also remains the actual state unemployment rate is now 7.1 percent . Thats alot lower than when Doyle left and we got a balance budget to boot. Doyle was at about 9 % state wide with the 3.2 billion dollar short fall. Why anyone in there right mind what to go back to that!

The teapubs continually confuse defitcit with debt. Debt is money you owe, deficit is financial responsibility you have to work to find funds for. I'd prefer smaller class sizes and fully staffed fire departments. Walkers ads lie, as does he. My FD lost 6 people and an ambulance. My childrens school lost 6 teachers. My property taxes went up. Walker Lies.

@Craig
Walker brought on the turmoil. He is the blame for this. Simple as that.

@Craig
I agree . The recall is a joke . The liberals are fighting about Union dues. If walker would of laid off a ton of public workers and didnt touch the dues. Do you really think the unions would of paid for a recall . Its completely 100 percent about union power and to keep their slush fund from tax payers intact. They have a HUGE hierachy to feed. The pawns from the left actually think they are fighting for god knows what......but its Union Dues. We all know this .

@morninmist
Yeah if reform is turmoil. Give me more. We have a balance budget, flat property taxes and 7.1 % state unemployement ( doyle left with 9% unemployment) Vitually . No public employees laid off. Many districts hired teachers. And you think were worse off lmao

Yes I read about it on the front page of Mondays paper, "thousands of private sector jobs lost over past 6 months in wisconsin" There is a reason Illinois has a billboard thanking Scott Walker for sending them thousands of jobs. They have more job growth than any state in the Union. If Walker was working for me I'd fire him, unfortunately I can only do a recall.

Cute. How have the unions intimidated you?

I kind of like that. people could better use their time doing community service work. The money Walkers supporters are pouring into his campaign could have restored the $800,000 he took from the children of wisconsin (Education). That won't happen though. People who care about people do not grow up to be modern republicans.

Walker probably had one of the cars to be crushed labeled "working people of Wisconsin"

What are they ever about? This one is unique only in the fact that it originates amongst those who support Walker. We should have started with riot police and fire hoses about 11 months ago up in Madison.

B.M. you are what your initials suggest.

Good point.

And you're my biggest fan.

ZB, your post is a joke, right? Pls say its a joke ! Nobody in their right mind would write such a nabsurd comment like yours for real. Heaven help society if you actualy believe your own crap.

So we should be happy these are no longer the times of Leave it to Beaver, with one dad and one mom and siblings who did chores and homework?
I guess the days of 2 daddies, or mommy and uncle daddy #1&2, a brother who is a sister, crack houses and meth homes are just a sign of the times?
Whatever happened to decency and morality? Is that the agenda of Democrats to make life 'real' by screwing up traditional values?
No thank you!

Reminiscent of Sarah Pahlin talking about "blood libel." Dog whistle stuff--code.

You still have a little faith in Scotty, good for you, but I'm afraid it along with he, will be gone soon. May the Lord give you the strength to accept the inevitable realities that you and yours have no hope of changing.

Randy Sparks is another stupid Obamabot!!!

We're hearing a lot of stories from people like you Rudy, who may not share our politics but do share our Wisconsin values.

The Walker people not only attack those who cannot fight back, but also his supports have physically attacked petition circulators.

Wisconsin is definitely a purple state, and the people like polices that we work on together, not forced fed.

Exactly Gail. The trickle down has not worked. Yet we keep giving them money, hoping they do something with it in this country, those might "job creators." If they create jobs, they are in Mexico or Mianmar. Bush blessed the job creators as did Reagan -- where are the jobs?

Yes, it's unbelievable here in Madison. People were literally dragged out of the assembly, while reading from the assembly rules, that they had the right to be there. They put people in jail for watching (and taping) assembly hearings! What do they have to hide?? It's never happened before. We used to have open government. Granted, this was fitzgerald, not walker, but they're all clones of each other in fitzwalkerstan.

If the people were reading from the assembly rules, aren't they inturrupting the proceedings? People have a right to be there, but they don't have the right to disrupt the proceedings...

Joe: You're not supposed to mention the Kochs. They don't want to hear it. They have no problem with Koch giving Walker his marching orders, the answer will be "George Soros" as if there is some equivalency.

What exactly are these alleged 'marching orders' that Walker is getting from the Kochs?

...and put the roach out, then munch on a bag of Doritos.

Correct--revenues do not equal expenses. Revenues = Expenses + Profits. I thought I made that clear in my comment. No 'fuzzy math' involved at all.

Revenues: $354,674 million
Profits: $30,460 million
Expenses: $324,214 million

It still works out to a rather modest profit margin of 8.5%.

It's your paradigm that's flawed, Richard. They are both lying. If they are Repubs, they are lying. If they are Dems, they are lying. My 'rant' that you cite was about this problem existing as a devisive by design, so that YOU and ME don't pay attention to the NWO oligarchs behind the curtain. It's like saying 'who's tougher? Nick Bockwinkle or Bobby 'The Brain' Henan'? It just doesn't matter who is lying, because they BOTH are. IF people like you could see beyond the television and remember your early 20th century American History, you may remember the controversies surrounding the controversial ratification of the 16th Amendment on Feb 25th, 1913, followed by the Federal Reserve Act of Dec 23rd, 1913. This One-Two punch collateralizing our a$$es to the debts our nation was to incur to a private international banking cartel's corporation is now being played out to its 100-year planned end game. Every attempt is made to distract YOU and ME and everyone else for focusing not on where this end game takes us, but on the absurd arguments you seem to have been hooked into with a barbed treble hook. On a note about your post, you really played your hand as totally duped when you actually cited, "Obama stated..." To cite Obama as someone credible is an admission that you believe what you are seeing on TV. Do yourself a favor and at least watch the Zeitgeist movie on the web. Maybe you'll begin to see that everything you thought was real about what we see today is an illusion.