Here's an example of GOP-bagger "fiscal responsibility" for you . . .
Just like they calim the Dems do, only when they redistribute the wealth, in's not to people who really need it, or will actuall make good use of it spending it in the local economy, but rather to their rich friends who simply invest more in financial markets, making the rich richer and avoiding paying taxes on capital gains.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/13/american-social-welfare-state-mitt-romney_n_1205357.html
This kid hasn't matured enough to figure that out yet, but he thinks he has all the answers.

Yes, a 16 year old regurgitating his parents philosophy! How inspiring!

@Rick--don't you know? Corporations are people my friend. Their the job creators. The more money and tax breaks you give them, the better off we all are as they trickle it down and create jobs (in Mianmar).

donna, be glad you are a lib otherwise your ilk would be tearing up your spelling and grammar in your posts.....

I think it is great when kids 16 yrs an up get involved in politics/Debates an etc.! I do Not believe they should be used to push Walkers agenda! At 16 they should debating an learning HOW our Government works, even younger. But not throwen up on a Podium an made a specticle, cause some politician wants to make a Political points! Walker/Republican party ought to be ashamed of them self for using this young man to their own ends!

Yep ...All you lazy left wing VICTIMS got it all figured out . Its no small wonder you platform is socialism . The ignorance behind that is you cut your own throat. Its that head in the sand mentality , because socialism has failed everywhere and that never dawns on you lol Talk about brainwashed.......yikes!

Hey pompous libs.... Jerrid asked to be part of the event. He is active in his High School, and wanted to be part of the event.

Get off your soap box and stop mocking a kid for disagreeing with you.

Who's the child, here?

Cynthia, did you see Jerrid's speech? I hope so. He did wonderful !

Bren@ Kid's today do not have to make a compelling argument, they can just learn from their liberal parents that they can just try and overturn an election with lies and distortions later. If first you don't succeed lie and lie again. This is what democracy looks like, remember?

Huh?

I can't believe someone jus made an I o,ovation that Jerrid is "parroting" his parents, when it appears his mom was unique enough to "parrot" the research of her kid. I won't call that lazy, just "unique".

I would never base my vote on the subjective research of my child. There are so many flaws in that logic I won't even waste my time ticking through them.

Ovation? I would agree my experience was apparently unique. I would also call it an extraordinary civics lesson.

My research wasn't subjective. It's not possible to make a compelling argument without completely understanding the issue.

I ask my 16 yr old grandson friends (7 of them), if they knew what the "State of the Union Address" was. Not one of them but my grandson who we raised like u Bren in a two party house hold knew what We were talking about. Kids this old should NOT be on a podium being used for Political games such as these. They should have started at a early age, learning about out Government, watching their parents an just starting to form opinions on political issues/most that are above their intelligent level at age 16. My guess is he is Parroting what ever they put him up to! That I find a sad way to learn/get involved in our Gov.

@Bren....

Observation. iPad makes typos.

As for Jerrid, this is his opinion, not his parents. You calling his stance subjective is in itself subjective.

I would be pissed if Mitt tried to steal Walker away, besides he is not known nationally and don't think he would be much of a plus for Mitt....now Paul Ryan would be a perfect running mate - is known nationally, would add serious fiscal experience and would not take away from Wisconsin.

Imagine Ryan debating Gaff machine Joe Biden....Ahh Haaa Haaaaa!!!!

Walker is VERY well known nationally, actually.

But I hope he stays here either way. We've been lucky to have such a ballsy governor

Internationally known, Ed Willing:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/24/scott-walker-governer-wisconsin-prank-called

Sigh.

President Romney, huh? Ever hear that expression about counting your chickens?

@Bren

Cute. Your point?

Good, can't wait to see you guys..,. Far away from the mainstage. :) we should get pics together tho, for posterity. ;) "remember when?"

It's not "Mr. Walker's so called rally", it's a rally by the people of the area in support of our fairly elected Governor.
If you and your "many others" do show up, do not step on my toes and please clean-up after yourselves, as you have been proven to be real pigs at your so called rallies.

Greg, how many people does it take to constitute a "rally?" I seem to remember the pro-Walker faction mustering several hundred people and Sarah Palin for a "rally" in Madison-which was utterly surrounded and drowned out by 20,000+ protesters! (Unless you watch Fox, through the wonder of audio technology, they were able to retrieve Sarah's speech and make it sound as if everyone could hear. Right!)

Good! A counter rally! Love it!

@Bren

You seem to constitute nothing more in your arguments an a mere tomato thrower. Your points make little constructive sense. Do you hope to actually accomplish something by posting here?

In answer to your weird, irrelevant question, a rally is any group of people united for a cause. Conservative rallies tend to be smaller because we actually work for a living, have families, run businesses, and aren't motivated by emotions. Like you.

We are far more intellectual and reserved. We vet, we don't knock down the pillars of civilization to get our way, or bring in unions from other states on busses to make our events look larger.

I bet when Jerrid goes to college, and cultivates a few critical thinking skills, he'll deeply regret that he was naive enough to have been evolved with the Koch Brothers little puppet.

bren you show with your daily Koch Brother comments you are a union puppet....

Cynthia, I'm intrigued by your statement. Do you understand the words you wrote? I have encountered people before who are impressed by the sound or appearance of words and employ them without fully grasping their meaning. The results can be unintentionally whimsical but do little to demonstrate their intellectual éclat.

You are not the first to try to categorize me on Patch, and not the first to fail, so be not disheartened. If you followed other comments I have made on this site you would have known that I am not associated with any public or private union, and have no contact with union stewards or leadership. So you would not have exposed yourself in this way.

Concerning the "puppet" portion of your comment, I am not, nor have I ever been, a puppet. I have, however, manipulated several different varieties of puppet, including marionettes (handled from above with strings), rod puppets (manipulated from below via posts and rods), hand puppets, finger puppets, and also tried on a puppet that was manipulated from inside using several rather ingenious mechanisms.

bren when you repeat the union talking points and think you are informed by reading blogs yes you are a union puppet.... Like I have told you on different Patch threads... read who is behind the Koch Brothers slander and how it originated...

@Bren: Cynthia doesn't care if you are actually part of a union or not. It's a talking point. Most workers are not part of a union, they just benefit from them. And then there are those who don't understand labor history and think it's the nice corporate giants who gave them weekends off and overtime laws and safe work places. Union bosses, union thugs--they're talking points and don't take any real thought or imagination.

As a High school teacher, I am impressed with Jerrid's convictions and strength to stand up for what he believes. He will need this strength, BRT929, when he eneters the college world. Although, like Gov. Walker, he will probably be able to be successful without a Liberal Professor telling him how to think. FYI, Steve Jobs did not attend college either. And, as my final FYI...WEAC owns stock in Georgia Pacific, which is owned by the Koch brothers; WEAC out donated the Koch brothers in EVERY eletion cycle. This has nothing to do with the Koch brothers....please, find a different "talking point".

@Kristi -- But were you impressed with his ability to put together a cogent argument supporting his convictions? My high school expected a lot more out of me at that age.

Donna, I believe I take your point. Cynthia may not understand what a union is or labour history, but apes what she hears on Fox. Likewise she doesn't understand what "slander" is, believing it has something to do with documented political and PAC contributions.

bren seeing as I have been in a pubic union and also the union steward of a private union I know exactly what they are about. I don't need to watch FOX news (another one of your talking points union fed to you) unlike those of you that think msnbc is truthful..... If I had to chose between FOX or msnbc, darn tootin' I would pick FOX any day. You also need to look up the word slander because you obviously do not know the meaning.

@Bren

"Cynthia, I'm intrigued by your statement. Do you understand the words you wrote? I have encountered people before who are impressed by the sound or appearance of words and employ them without fully grasping their meaning. The results can be unintentionally whimsical but do little to demonstrate their intellectual éclat."

*golf clap* you've successfully shown you're capable of bloviating with big words and misplaced intellect as well as any elite liberal. All while making little sense...

@Cynthia -- "bren seeing as I have been in a pubic union and also the union steward of a private union I know exactly what they are about. "

Adult Film Performers Milwaukee Local #16?

(Gotta be careful with those typos.)

Hah, awesome typo........ Thanks for catching it!

Agreed. When I was in college I mounted a registration drive in my school. In Oregon it's mail in ballot,mos I managed to get 75% of my school registered and successfully vote. It was An amazing experience, but I was shocked to learn so many don't care.

@Matt--that is indeed something positive to hope for.

Well, did you? Have to research candidates and present why you were for or against their positions? It teaches a person to research, analyze, and present a cogent argument.

bren, you should do what you comment.... your postings are always blog fed. You can't even research the facts about the Koch Brothers and see that all started with false information but the unions and liberals ran with it and you all continue the stupid comments. Give me a break... there is not one issue that you have researched.

Cynthia, do set us all straight. Provide your legitimate news sources that debunk the established facts about how and where the Koch brothers are investing their time and efforts since Barack Obama was elected president.

Actually, Bren, I'd like to see you prove none of your Progressive sources or support organizations have millionaires and billionaires funding them either.... Otherwise you're simply a hypocrite on the issue.

They don't? We used to discuss religion and politics all the time in my neighborhood, among other things.

And how are your organizations tied to Soros?

Your circular logic makes you dizzy, I get it. It's ok.... I'll give you some slack. ;)

@Keith Schmitz
Only a flaming liberal would call fiscal sanity a sell out . You want to go back to DOYLE policies . LOL Give me a break!

Keith Schmitz,
You do a good enough job of ebarrassing yourself, you do it in every post.
"If I were a kids", you need not worry about that you are just an angry, old, hate spewing loser.

If I had been a parent of someone like you it would be embarrassing to see my son bad mouth a child for bei actively involved.

If he were out there with a few teachers holding up a "save my school" sign, you'd be having an emotional experience, I'm sure.

Hypocrisy is transparent on the left.

"ebarrassing yourself"? Nice job Tom Petty-minded.

"You want to go back to DOYLE policies?" Where did you get that from? Or like everything you post which is fact free, you assumed it? Seem like you assume practically everything.

keith, lena taylor was not invited to attend so he will be ok. No shrieking shrews were invited to speak at this event. You are then welcome to invite the fleeing 14 to an event of your own tho and listen the them shriek. lena taylor needs to step down, she is an embarrassment to WI.

Yeah, because the protestors are going to outnumber the baggers 3 to 1.

Ah yes, the legend of Robin Vos. Robs from the poor to give to the rich.

The "protesters" had better mind their P's and Q's. This is not their rodeo, it's ours and we don't like you or your tactics.

Oh and since you insist on calling us "baggers" I would like to change "protesters", in my last post, to "lefty union scum".

Greg, "sore losers" also works and actually better explains the kind of overwrought emotion-driven sociopathic behavior they're actually quite proud of that will, as Keith says result 3 times as many them attending the event as those it was actually intended for.

Anyone protesting the event will be removed. It s reserved strictly for Scott walker supporters, and security will assure that.

They can protest hundreds of feet away acros state street if they want. So, no one will notice the counter protest at the stage.

That's the point. Walker stands with us not we stand for Walker.

Actually, vaguely named patcher.....

Hundreds are committed to going. News spread virally, and busses are chartered from Wausau. I expect you'll be sitting on a couch.

Do you live inside Jerrid head? What's that like I have to know? And how did you fit a computer in there?

@Judi, When and Where have you heard this young man speak?

What exactly are the reasons the recall was initiated? The reasons seem to change a lot as the propaganda behind the reasons gets exposed as lies...

Funny how so many people are critical of this guy for allegedly not thinking for himself, while so many of the anti-Walker protesters had their young children carrying signs and parroting talking points...

I just finished listening to the video, which I hadn't listened to before. He has yet to articulate WHY he stands with Walker, other than he is following his father's lead.

It is totally meaningless.

Perhaps randy, you'll give a 16 yr old a break and avoid insulting the kid who is getting involved in civic discourse. congratulations on teaching him FIRST lesson: liberals always throw thr first baseless insults.

It's just a way to get press for the rally in hopes that "dozens" will show up for their leader. Their politics are about personalities. This kid is the new Joe the plumber. If he knows absolutely nothing about the issues, that doesn't matter, look at 1/2 term governor Sarah Palin.

Olga, the clip wasn't intended to explain it. He doesn't have to explain to you.

You're trying really hard to have any logical reason to post something here. Try again.

True. Being educated, intelligent and responsible is no protection against that. My own son saw me in just such a position, which is why he's politically involved -- has been since his teens -- and supporting the recall.

I would never bash Jerrid, but he lacks the life experience to make a truly informed decision.

YA there ya go a typical liberal statement. You should really re-read your post. Maybe you should have stayed in school and learned a trade or something. So plzzzzz share with me how this is Walkers fault? Your saying the Unions provide something better? Hmmmm OKAY.

You may have the signatures or may not? But again the State spoke when he was elected and if it comes to an election the State will once again speak. Democrocy let it run the full cycle. All you have done is open the door to ongoing recalls!! Oh wait the right is not as shall we say childish as the left. Obviously because we had to deal with Doyles failed policys for what 2 terms. No recalls there? Hmmmmm more of the same failed policies in Washington. I really feel sorry for those of you who have been so brain washed into thinking the big unions will provide for you.

@Patriot --Excuse me, but where did you get the idea that I didn't 'learn a trade or something'? When there are no openings in one's trade or profession, one does what one has to do to survive -- dig ditches if necessary.

This is not Scott Walker's fault. The trend has been going on for thirty years, but Gov. Walker is continuing it. Unions are not a panacea, but they do hold the line against the erosion of wages and benefits.

The State did "speak" when Walker was elected but how many people voted based on his promises to create jobs? The recent poll I saw indicated that 24% of Wisconsin Republicans were supporting the recall (perhaps people like my dad's friend, a public employee who recently received her layoff notice. He's a Republican too, and very upset about this). Since Scott Walker didn't win by a landslide, who knows what will happen.

@david -

Maybe Jerrid has a dad that teaches him the value of hard work and dedication and not depending on collectivism to get him anywhere

@David B. Aren't those the same jobs that have been allowed to flourish with both Democrats and Republicans at the helm?

I personally looked into the recall after the collective bargaining debacle began, and I realized that the amount of concessions wrung from workers was nearly equal with his proposed corporate tax cuts. I believed that skinning public employees to pay for his unfunded corporate tax cuts abhorrent. I was also appalled by Walker's continuing and arrogant disregard for law and his constituents, same as when he was Milwaukee's County Executive. Then I started hearing the names of the Koch brothers and started doing some research. My findings sickened me. And spurred my support for the recall, because I realized that Wisconsin after one full term of Scott Walker would change my state forever and not for the better.

So here's your take-away Patriot. The Governor didn't stand up to the "union," he stabbed it in the back to pay for his unfunded corporate tax cuts. Not to address the budget shortfall. Not to make them "pay their fair share," (or what you and I would call part of our work compensation package). To pay for corporate tax cuts.

So even if you honestly and naively believe that paying civil servants a fair wage for work performed is taking money out of your families' pockets (or family's singular-not sure), the concessions aren't putting any money back into them. They are funding the next wave of "Job Creators" that will probably decide to use their tax cut gains to build factories in China, pocket it, or create a few token jobs.

why are you on this stie you do not even live in wisconson, so please get the hell off and don't come back if you no whats good for you

@Bren: when they can't make a point or don't like the facts, they'll call you a union thug or a lib. I don't mind either name, but it's not an argument. "Libs" are now responsible for the 1% (walton heirs) not paying for their empoyees' health care! As far as I know, it's not the "Libs" that are working on behalf of the 1%. It's the conservatives. Don't make the billionaires pay taxes or pay for health care or bargain with their workers--oh no! Let them do whatever they want and in the end, outsource all their jobs because "taxes are too high." High taxes (which are paid by workers mostly) mean higher standards of living and better services. Low or no taxes mean a failed state like Somalia. Not where I want to live.

@Bren

Your "personal" research is incredibly flawed since the collective bargaining changes amounted to over $1billion and the corporate tax vs (not effective till this year) were only a coupl,e hundred million, and only if utilized.

Try again.

I think that Bren's 'personal research' amounted to watching Rachel Maddow...

"Maddow, Feb. 17: There is in fact a $137 million budget shortfall. Republican Gov. Scott Walker, coincidentally, has given away $140 million worth of business tax breaks since he came into office. Hey, wait. That’s about exactly the size of the shortfall."

So, since tax payers just gave spectrum brands $4 million--we are now their employers, right? So, let's take back some of that CEO bonus! Let's make sure the employees have to pay their own health care! Let's go check out all the corporate welfare recipients--I don't want any of them getting health care or any benefits at tax payer expense. I want this race to the bottom to accelerate!!

donna, good grief, the taxpayers are not paying for private sector wages or benefits..... LOL WoW, keep showing the stupidity of the left.....

@Cynthia -- Consumers pay for whatever healthcare benefits private sector workers receive. Consumers are also taxpayers. We also pay a collective price for every medical bankruptcy because private sector healthcare benefits are insufficient or non-existent. We all pay one way or another.

Well then randy all I can say is stop consuming.... So I guess the real burden is on the products these business's buy to make the items we consume... so where does the buck start? Our medical on the backs of the farmers now?

@Cynthia -- stop consuming what? Food, clothing, shelter, healthcare? I will grant you, I don't need a lot of electronic gadgets, and I don't have them. However, our economy is a consumer economy. All of it is someone's livelihood.

Get off this site and don't come back you total MORON

@David Blake -- excuse me, but which of us four are you calling a moron? It's out of line regardless.

@Randy-Well as a consumer I have a choice to do business with you or the next guy. Big difference buddy. But as a public sector worker me as a tax payer has no voice in your public sector collective bargaining!!! Thus Gov Walker has heard the voices of Wisconsin

I want walker recalled for three reasons. Websters says to change what is norm for personal, political or religous reasons is an act of perversion. Three acts of perversion in most states is life in jail. I guess that is why I am NOT A GOP good old,per?

Absolutely!!!!! Nobody likes change but sometimes the toughest thing to do is change. Keep up the good work Gov Walker!!!!

@skinnyDUDE -- I beg to differ. I do not accept ignorance as a solution. I feel, and with good reason based on experience, that Gov. Walker's policies are misguided. More trickle-down is not going to save us.

Oh please! Stop the platitudes and the party line. What has Walker offered? Absolutely nothing. He has cut corporate taxes, but he has yet to attract new business to the state.

Walker doesn't offer solutions, his playbook was provided by ALEC.

It is a pity you don't have the critical thinking skills, and you don't really understand what is going on.

@randy

Then what WILL save us?

Cuz we had Progressive policies for most of the last 100 years, and all of the last 4-5 yrs.

donna can you really be that stupid to think that? Do you know how much a business spends in hiring an employee? Do you know the taxes they pay out to the State and Fed? Do you think the only expense an employee is to a business is the check they cut you and call your paycheck?

Taxpayers do not pay private sector wages or benes........ WOW, all I can do is LOL your rant.

Well then you really need to take your recall efforts all the way to the top and Start with Obama and all the worthless politicians in Washington. Walker is doing what he can with hand he was dealt

First of all, skinnyDUDE, is it possible for you to have a discussion without resorting to insults and ad hominems?

What don't I like? I don't like that Governor Walker has fixed his budget problems with another form of can-kickiing. Wisconsin income tax remains the same, unless you are a business, in which case you got a break, or if you are the working poor who relied on the EIC, in which case it will increase. The savings have come from reduced state aid to local governments, which will have to deal with the fallout somehow, either through increased property tax or decreased services.

Other savings come from cuts to social programs. Kick people off BadgerCare? Great -- watch our hospital costs and insurance premiums rise to make up for increased ER use and bad debts.

I am one of the taxpayers who will be hurt by this. I have never yet used one of those entitlements you say I am driven by, but I understand the need to care for those people who are hardest hit by this bad economy.

I am in favor of fiscal responsibility too, but of a more even-handed kind.

@Bren -- I don't know who this 'Randy1939' is. I was tempted to refer to the DUDE as skinnyDUDE1929, or maybe 1839, because that's where his mindset seems to be. Remember, unbridled capitalism brought us the Great Depression. Mitt Romney's form of investment capitalism brought us this current mess.

One of the reasons Wisconsin has budget troubles is because sales tax revenues are off, and that's because people are financially strapped. Cutting workers' wages and benefits, public sector or private, will not help.

Some serious squirming, skinnyDUDE. Flopping from Doyle to Illinois, suggesting Randy 1949 is "ignorant," you are floundering in your attempts to assemble the misinformation you have been fed into a reasoned argument. Stop stressing yourself out because you are not going to succeed with the tools you have at hand. Remember the nonpartisan Pew poll in 2009 that identified Fox as the most ideological news network, and the recent Fairleigh Dickinson poll (2011) that identified Fox viewers as least informed. So you are not alone in believing that the information you receive from that source is "fair and balanced."

Randy1949 is one of the "best and brightest" on this site. Open your mind, read his words, do some research if you have questions.

Randy, mea culpa! I fixed my mistake (see revised comment) and will take this apology moment to say how much I enjoy reading your posts!

@Bren -- No harm, no foul. You were merely quoting skinnyDUDE, who probably needs glasses.

And likewise. :)

I love watching liberals talk to each other like two cheerleaders in the bathroom. They love hearing themselves squeal

@Edward Willing -- I wouldn't know about that. I've never followed cheerleaders into a bathroom.

Do you realize that Wal-mart is the largest employer in WI? Let's see here's the list of Top employers in WI. Let's see if you are smart enough to figure out the problem....

Walmart,
University of Wisconsin–Madison,
Milwaukee Public Schools,
U.S. Postal Service,
Wisconsin Department of Corrections,
Menards,
Marshfield Clinic,
Aurora Health Care,
City of Milwaukee, and
Wisconsin Department of Veterans Affairs.

@donna c -- "Among the companies with the biggest number of employees in BadgerCare in March were Wal-Mart Stores Inc., McDonald's Corp. and Aurora Health Care. "

The irony of Aurora workers requiring BadgerCare is not lost on me.

@rand
Your point on aurora is shallow and distractive. All health care insurance is expensive. The answer isn't price controls and changing who pays for it. It's changing the competitiveness and transparency, the tort law, and the regulations.

Who they work for matters very little, mr googler

Just like BadgerCare Plus... the dems created that to be self-funding...... only thing is they passed it without making it self-funding....... and there lies the problems, at times dems do have some good ideas, but they fail to be able to implement them as designed.

Although I didn't get a straight answer, what I think I'm hearing is to keep giving money to the large corporations and keep hoping they trickle it over us, right? The Bush tax cuts really helped the 1% and they in turn helped us, right? And obama continuing those tax cuts means we're doing really well now, right????

@SkinnyDUDE:
I'm not a spokesperson for Jim Doyle. Jim Doyle also penalized state workers with furloughs, but I think he realized that state workers are tax payers too and that to cut their pay by 8-12% in one year would greatly harm their ability to spend money and stimulate the economy, Maybe that's why he did smaller cuts. But again, I'm not his spokesperson don't know his thoughts. I'm talking about issues--the conservative idea to give everything to corporations at the expense of tax payers in hoping it'll trickle all over us. It doesn't work. It doesn't work for democrats or republicans. My solution is to strengthen and rebuild the middle class, not gut it. Start taxing corporations and billionaires. Let them pay their share. Don't allow them to outsource jobs to other countries. Trying to pretend government workers are the problem only makes the argument for your leaders to outsource more jobs. Take the pension. The 1/2 of the pension managed by state workers costs $29 million. The half managed on wall street costs $197 million. Outsourcing hurts Wisconsin and the US and costs tax payers more money. In the case of the pension management, it costs tax payers $158 million more for the outsourced part than for the part managed by state employees. There's my answer.

@ Donna C
Thanks for your clueless answer. It is clear you do not understand capitalism . You cant force any businesses to stay here with higher taxes .You get the opposite they leave and you get a weaker middle class. Its quite obvious your solutions are more based in socialism . But if you look at Europe where socialism is the model they are all pretty much Broke. Your GREECE solution is the colapse of the nation or the state
I do believe there are things Your man Obama could do to enhance businesses in this country , but unfortunately he is a socialist too. But you both have one thing in common. You dont understand the economy, capitalism of fiscal responsibilty..
Do you know how many people lose there life savings trying to create a successful business and grow this economy ? No need to answer ........just keep your hand out and worry about yourself. Unfortunately, The problem with Socialism is sooner or later you run out of other peoples money. At that point ....WERE GREECE TOO!
And if you look at GREECE closely ....its the liberals there crying the loudest .

See donna that's one of your problems.......... now reread my post and comprehend what I wrote.....

Sorry skinnyDUDE I am a (very) small biz owner, so may know more about that then you do. Also have lived in London (England--a social democracy). Also know that much of what happened to Greece was due to investments on wall street and mortgage default swaps. But you keep believing. No need to reply -- I can tell you what you're going to say before you say it. Free market blah blah taxes too high blah blah job creators blah blah family values blah blah

Yeah Donna all those bad loans forced upon institutions by lowering the barrowing standards so way to many people bought homes they couldnt afford. And as more and more defaulted theses bundles became worthless. .There is always a cause and a effect. But instead of taking personal responsibility for buying homes they couldnt afford ....we are sold that they are victims. I didnt buy A home I couldnt afford......but because so many did .....the Bubble burst.. The main villian in all that is the Government Entitlement shell game both parties engage in. However, Atleast a few conservatives are fighting to reform it so we can save this country . Do you realize are National debt is now Bigger than are entire economy. That is considered a tipping point by most economists with a brain . So if you think your crying now .....your kids will be Bawling when they are your age. DO THE MATH and take some personal responsibilty and pass that amazing gift on to your family . They will be far better off if they dont go through life bitter and begging for someone elses payday.

donna you also do not understand that a lot of people are on badgercare simply because they do not want to pay a dime for their healthcare (and they lie to get on it).... I know many that have medical through their work but do not want to pay the premiums... that is the entitlement attitude that we are facing.... people think free means free, but it's not, someone is paying.

@ DONNA
That answer is obvious . Because your liberal representives fought to set it up that way. Any more silly questions??

@Cynthia -- Have you any proof of that astounding assertion that 'lots' of people lie to get on BadgerCare Plus? The income requirements are strict, as is the requirement that you have not been covered by insurance for a specific length of time.

randy.... reread my post please you are doing the same as donna.....

Cynthia is right. I know people who lie to get BadgerCare too. Sadly, they could afford the premiums through their employers. It has become a norm for people to cheat the system these days. With no verification process, it sucks to be an honest person.

So . . . the people who work at Walmart and Aurora and are on BadgerCare Plus lied about their access to health insurance through their work?

@skinny -- so liberals set it up so that the Walton billionaires would not pay for the health insurance of their employees? U on crack man.

Name calling only showcases one's intellectual deficiencies
to engage in a meaningful dialogue.

David your iGNORANCE IS SHOWING AGAIN. Look on the brightside , the libs hav all ready dummy down our schools so people like you dont feel like a complete failure.
Rent WAITING FOR SUPERMAN a liberal made film about the public schools , but in the end even they wouldnt hide the failures of the liberal union controlled schools .iF WE CANT improve them lets just accept more idiots like you and call it progress.

Hahahah Thats awesome!!!!

Really funny!! :)

Green is obviously out of the political loop or terribly naive.

Correction:

Conservatives mostly don't believe in MAN MADE climate change.

Try again.

Oh, and I don't watch FoxNews

donna what makes you 'ASSume' I watch fox? In fact at this moment I'm actually watching msnbc. (only because madcow, shultz, and resist we much is not on) Maybe you should get off the conspiracy kool-aid. Sounds like you watch alot of madcow with all your Koch, Koch, Koch, Koch talk................

Yeah, but then again, what do you know about anything related to parenting and kids, Paul?

LOL

@Jim-Im working middle class and how has Walker destroyed me. Gov Walker has saved me by limiting the public sector unions from taking more of my hard earned money.

Sounds like Jim sold his soul to unions, Soros, and Progressives while throwing stones at us

@Bobby-Wow amazing how you lefties think.

Bobby
Maybe if you quit paying the victim card and find some integrity that the rest of the world doesnt owe you a living you would get it . But I wont hold my breathe. Amazing how many Leagal immigrants come here and Make it with theyre own hard work . Cause they dont feel Entitled , but they do feel Enpowered by the opportunities this country provides . Yes . ... you are a victim . A victm of your own Ignorance and Hate .Hows that working for you?

Bobby is apparently a bigot and condescending fool who resorts to inaccurate and self-revealing statements about others.

Jerrid lives in Muskego. And Mukwanago is actually one of the more liberal towns in Waukesha.

?!

@Laydee-Give me a break!!

Yep Ladyecatte
Keep telling yourself your a victim . Poor little you . You are from the camp someone that is unproductive and lazy( which is far more often the case than any victim scenerio you come up with) Should be rewarded for it . It's No wonder your in the soup line!

Prefraud count? Reduce by thousands? Hmmm.. you obviously have not seen process in action.

WORKING SKINNY? Those of us preparing the end of the year payroll reports for 2011 have now been assessed an additional tax for federal unemployment. Since Wisconsin has not repaid its federal unemployment loan obligations, it has lost the credit reduction for state unemployment taxes paid, and businesses are assessed for the credit reduction.Earlier in 2011, Wisconsin imposed a special assessment on unemployment to businesses, and another special assessment is on the way. There now have been three special "taxes" imposed on Wisconsin businesses. Is this not a tax increase for Wisconsin businesses? The State of Wisconsin cannot now claim there are no tax increases for businesses.

On top of that, Wisconsin has lost its reciprocity agreement with Minnesota because it has not met its obligations to Minnesota for withholding taxes collected and has not paid its loan obligations to Minnesota.What would happen if Wisconsin businesses withheld their tax obligations to the state? We all know the answer to that question. How can the state not pay its debt obligations and, worse, pass it on to Wisconsin businesses?

The people will decide if is working . You can vote for Doyle failed policies again if you like , But you will lose. As to your personal problem, deal with it and stop crying like your a whiney victim.

LOL! "pre-fraud? " hahahahahahahaha!

Where was the fraud Bob?! Oh.... The Mickey mouse, Santa and Donald duck sigs on recall petitions? Or.... The resistance to fraud avoiding voter ID laws? Riiiiiiight

1.9 million!!!

LOL @ BOB
Its the overall Numbers and trend that will be your OBVIOUS demise . How that Joanne Kloppenburg vote work out for you Bob?

Bob

The number of sigs is said to be about 700,000. 2.2 million voted in the election.

What's your point, mr reedsburg? LOL!

And yet..... Prosser won. Your point?

YEP ...heard the same thing when Joanne RAN a state wide election and lost. If 58 percent want him recalled why would less than 35 percent of total turnout last time sign . lol Set yourself up for another fall. Brace for it . lol What happen to the 1 million signitures? . I mean you got a fully paid staff via the unions but still failed . Your people stated the number 1 million signitures....WHAT HAPPEN??? .....the reality is most people are for the reforms AND AGAINST THE UNION BULLYING tactics .....So talk loud and act like you arent clueless , but deep down we both know you are lol

58% huh? Wow, I didn't know they reached all 3 million voters in the state and heard 58% of them say that!

@drive to 25
you can keep your polls, but I gave you the facts. HEY....maybe if you sign 300.000 more times u can get to the Million signitures the Union promised? Clearly, they are not going to get there with legitimate signitures so they need more cheaters lmao
Is there a cheater voter fraud organization rally scheduled yet for the dems? Is it in A illinois hotel where the flea baggers hide from there jobs? Maybe you can get doctors to attend to hand out fraudulent excuses? You can do it all on the taxpayers dime! Your Brilliant ! lololol

@drivey

I find it kinda weird that you're not only referring to me by a nickname, but you're so adamantly capitalizing it like you're proud of figuring it out.

*golf clap*

drive it seems you are the one that has been conned.... Please show us your little talking point................

Don't be fooled by the union talking points and their spreading of lies. What I have found the past year is that your dem elected officials have not once shown you any Government reports or audits. Why are they hiding these facts from you? Why are they not explaining the reforms that were needed? They are keeping you in the dark.... SHAME on them.

MY taxes didnt raise in fact went down a little DRIVE.. I am middle class forsure don't use the millionare BS on me. GO Packers

These people are nuts. "One party is better at balancing the budget than the other." Duh!! Republicans always spend us into a crisis, leave office, and someone responsible comes in and tries to clean up. In this case we were not in a crisis till walker created one and he continues to add debt with voter suppression laws and corp welfare giveaways. These people think they are part of the 1% like the kochs and are committed to fighting against their own interests. They're fighting for george soros, but too blind to see.

They don't want to hear any more about Koch. If you bring up Koch industries, they'll either call them job creators (not mentioning the jobs are not int he US) or they'll say George Soros. A paid public official that conspires with a billionaire to hurt his constituents on our dime is Aok with these people. They love it. The people they elect only care about people who think the same way they do (in other words those that watch fox or are multi-millionaires.)

donna who owns Georgia Pacific? You know the union plant?

Who sent jobs from WI to China?

bob, just because you did not pay attention to the campaign is not anyone else's but your own. Even the unions knew and they raised their voices against it. They sent out mailings and put it in union newsletters. So now after the fact you want to believe the unions saying that he never campaigned on it? I can show you newsletters from the firefighters and weac. Plus around 20 articles about healthcare and pensions. There also are campaign ads on youtube. Here is one of my favorite articles BEFORE the election showing the unions voicing out about collective bargaining.

"Our members oppose taking away their rights to collective bargaining, so they would definitely raise their voices against it," Christina Brey, speaking for the Wisconsin Education Association Council, said of Walker's plan.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/101771723.html

Also bob............ think about it..... everything has been on the backs of the private sector for years. Why should the public sector not pay a part, if not all of their 'EMPLOYEE SHARE' of benefits?

@Bob: Do you wonder why these cons want to make this a red state--low education levels, bad schools, and consequently no high tech jobs or jobs that require an educated workforce. Wish they'd just move to mississippi instead of trying to recreate it here.

donna that's the WI that we have now since it was a blue state..... that is why the reforms and change are needed. Students have been slipping in the scores for years now. Time to fix our schools.

@Bob- I keep hearing Walker dropped this bomb on the middle class, Walker has attacked the middle class. So what one has to be a union member now to be considered middle class? Well hate to inform you I am middle class and have never been part of a union. See you are the minority who keeps trying to hijack the term middle class, just as the progressives have hijacked the democratic party. Hmmmmm

@Donna c- Ya because Doyle did such a wonderful job. Oh and Obama has done an awesome job. I have way more money in my pocket today thanks to Obamas failed policys

Amusing rant.

@Bob4-U just revealed your true identity. Our progressive State? WOW your kids will be living in fema camps so keep up the good work

@Bob 4 .... Your post sounds autobiographical, huh?

geeze bob.... you ok over there? Seems like you are going over the edge.... BTW Where are you reading that the Koch Brothers received any money?

@Bob4 ... What universe have you drawn your "facts" from?

I think bob is having a mental breakdown at the moment.......... LOL

bob the unions didn't organize this rally, citizens of WI did. There won't be out-of-state people coming by bus (at least not for the Walker Supporters) This is totally real grassroots, planned and paid for by supporters of Gov. Walker. None of the posting about how the recall people coming to protest and harass will stop them from getting together.

I will be there and will be proud to ruin my shoes, whatever their cost. I'm glad to see that our rally is taking a toll on the small minded libs.
Funny how they can find enough religion to pray for bad weather.

Lol@Jill: have you had your head in the sand since Feb. of 2011?

So bob....... you base your facts on job estimate reports that were up to 75% inaccurate? BTW Dec. was positive jobs. WI had positive NET jobs unlike the past couple years of doyle where there was 170,000k jobs lost. How about you look at the labor reports..............

Uh Oh, now they are gonna focus.
Maybe you need to find someone to run against Governor Walker.

Nice try, but the Governor won't be going anywhere.

He is not gone as much as Owebama, that is for sure. And how do you explain a $4 million vacation?

WOW, you don't have a clue.

LOL@SKINNY: is that the best you can do DUDE?

The loss of transparency in our state governance and his appointment of lackeys in key places like the VA really hurt us. Like frightened rats they went underground in the Risser tunnel and had armed guards in front of it. I have photos. And who pays for all of that? Capitol on lockdown with hundreds of police. It was so insane.

You really enjoy hearing yourself talk dont you? Bob you are so far removed from reality here. But that is the norm for the progressive lefty.

One Wisconsin Now? Yes that sure must be a reliable source.

@Bob-No its all the chaos in this State that is preventing job creation, its the progressive lefties creating all this uncertainty with their recall Walker push. Great example for our youth. Teach them that if you dont agree runaway, stomp your feet and if that dont work recall. What a huge waste of money that could be spent on much needed services ect.

I awake and my wet dreams do not include men, unlike yours.
You may be the biggest idiot to comment on this site, and I doubt it has anything to do with your level of sleep.

@Bob4- You really do just like seeing yourself talk. Again you keep referring to gutting the middle class. Well I am as middle class as they come. Work for a big corporation, own a house that I can actually afford, drive older vehicles, very simple life, kids ect and I do not share your views at all. As a matter of fact as a tax paying middle class family I am glad finally my voice has been heard. You public sector workers have it really good and will continue to have it good. Just now you will have to pay a little like the rest of us in this Country. Dont like it then join a private sector union where I have a choice to purchase said product or service or shop around. As a tax payer I have no choice when u the public sector union workers decide u want better benefits, pay ect. NOT ANYMORE. Hold teachers accountable rather than protect them just because they belong to a union, same goes for the state and city worker

First of all none of those things were ever a right for anyone, they were lucky to have collective bargaining. Bargaining with the taxpayer money that is. How silly to say that education has been gutted.

@Jill-Absolutely!! Not sure about you but our district is doing just fine. No layoffs, class rooms are not over crowded and the district met the budget without any tax levys. The only schools that have trimmed down are those that teachers rammed contracts thru.

@Oneday-Share with me how my credibility was lost in my first statement? I do believe we are the majority!!! You are just a few and thats obvious with the limited amount of signatures collected. If the majority was against Gov Walker dont ya think there would have been something more like 1.5 million or more signatures collected. Basically the signatures collected if valid are nothing more than the votes that were not for Walker during the election!! WAKE UP AND SMELL THE FOLGERS

@Oneday-Or maybe you prefer maxwell house, or even Starbucks:) Oh thats right you cant afford that now because you have been attacked:((

@Oneday-Well I hate to inform you unions or no unions with the current commander and cheif that is the exact direction this country is headed. I am guessing you are also an Obama supporter? Because Mr Obama is dividing this country like no other in history.

Typical left wing racist comment.

Yep! The left wing liberal youth!

I like Bucky. He puts up no pretense of defending a greater good like so many of his comrades. He's the epitome of unvarnished lefty hate.

He will be the king of his cell block. He has been taught the gimmie gimmie additude like scooter. All scooter had to do was hit his daddys collection plate. Scooter could not balance a anything. In 1998 wlaker and prosser wrote truth in sentencing. Wisconsin spent an extra 38 billion hiring 15,000 state workers and building new county jails, police stations, half way house , prisons etc. To say walker is small government or for balancing a budget is none sense. Comparing walker to a true AMERICAN conservative is like comparing John Wayne with John Wayne Gasey. He is no conservative. Would a conservative hand billions to a monoploy corporation ? Walker has bankrupted how many small businesses already sinse last january? it is a record number. He is surpassing King george 2

@Laurel: Well said. I've tried to say that, but gave up. I'm not beholden to any person or party--I'm talking about issues. No party or governor is perfect. Because I'm against these harsh policies (my sister took an 8% pay cut because of the budget repair bill, many schools have been hurt, and people kicked off badger care) does NOT mean I'm a fan of Jim Doyle. I'm talking about issues, not personalities. There is overlap, no doubt, as a person's ideologies affect their decisions and policies--but I do not think those ideologies should make a politician blind to his constituents. Today's politicians sometimes think they only need to worry about whatever percentage of people elected them--and the percentages are always so close. So that is not fair to a huge minority--to just cater to those you consider on your side. The polarization is not good for anyone.

Jerry--True. Why would he want to "create" more jobs in other countries and states? Not only for payback, but mainly because it gets rid of government workers and accelerates the race to the bottom. If they can get rid of unions and union workers, they won't need to send the jobs to China and Mianmar. We'll make less than those workers and that's the goal. None of these right wingers care that this group of radicals get their legislation from ALEC and that legislation is vetted by corporations. They see no value to government or citizens or public policy. Just give more to the 1%--George Soros and the Kochs and Waltons.

And you have Issa on a federal level trying to destroy the US post office. Why? Second largest employer in the US. The first is Walmart. So, instead of good paying union jobs, we will all be competing to work at Walmart. We are doomed to keep repeating history because of the ignorance.

Did you ever consider that they might be looking to get rid of the US post office because it loses tons of money and has largely been obsoleted by the rise of e-mail and electronic communication?

@cowdung. No. The post office actually is profitable. A 2006 law mandated that they pay their pensions 75 years into the future and that has strapped them financially. They're paying for pensions for people who haven't been born yet. The post office is very important but to different people. As you point out, some people (myself included) don't use it much any more. But farmers send seeds and even chicks and bees via the post office and they don't have any other option. UPS is way too expensive, AND UPS subcontracts with the post office for rural areas. So, if the post office goes out of business, that is one example of the people who will be hurt by it. Another is people overseas including soldiers and people who sell on Ebay. The private sector (UPS and FedEx) can not run as efficiently as the post office because they must make a profit. They could not and will not take a piece of mail from one household (or farm) and get it to another hundreds or thousands of miles away for 44 cents (if that's the current price).

Which is it, Donna? Are they 'cash strapped' or are they profitable? It's pretty hard to be both at the same time.

Certainly some people will be affected should the post office close, but most people will only notice because of the extra space in their trash bin caused by a lack of junk mail...

Hey Cowdung. Actually, both. They are not allowed to make a profit, but they are profitable. That's partly why that law was passed--but funding 75 years of pensions within the 10-year time frame is way too much and cuts into operations. So, they're very efficient and can do what they do more efficiently than a for-profit entity but they really are not allowed to make a profit--like some of the other government agencies. And that's one of the differences between a government agency and a for-profit corporation--the need for a profit. Many can not run as efficiently as government because they need to have10-20% in profits.

Cowdung: I agree about the junk mail--but I have a feeling if the post office goes away--the junk mail will not.

You really nailed him, good work.

@Jerry-Very A typical progressive liberal statement. It is my constitutional right to keep and bear arms for self defense. You really need to pick up a copy of the Freedom First Magazine and read real people storys of self defense.
So now we are Mr Coward Man? I really feel sorry for you. I will pray for you.

Freedom First Magazine? Don't they have that laying around in pediatrician's offices for children to read, since it is written for childish minds.

@Keith- I am just greatful that people such as yourself were not part of the revolution when the marxist tried to push their ideals on the citizens back in the day. Keith I will pray for you as well!!

Drive- Seriously? WOW so what your saying is that since I work for a non union shop that I am not safe? Well let me inform you that our internal job safety is one of the besonstantt. We are constantly being reminded of working safely, situational awareness. As a matter of fact I am required to watch videos and take a yearly test on safety.
So being a right to work State does not equal unsafe labor practices.

Not a thing. As a matter of fact Im going to stand with Walker as he serves out his 4 year term and most likely serves a second term. Your socialist ideals will not work.

Its obvious that if your not for Gov Walker than you must stand with Obama!!! More people on Food Stamps than ever before under Obama's watch. Good thing we have somebody such as Walker who has fiscal responsibility.

Let's kindly stop this nonsense about the food stamps. In Obama's case, you are blaming the fireman for the fire, but of course in your mind because the word fire is in the name, then they must start them.

@Keith-Face the facts!! When Obama took office the average time a person was on unemployment was 14 weeks. He has been in office now for 3 plus years and there are people who have been on the system for 44 plus weeks. Ya his policies are really working. Yet you continue to blame bush!! Just as your blaming Walker for stealing Wisconsin. Keith you are the minority!!

Very typical of you progressive leftys. Always blaming. Unable to take personal responsibility. Such as the youth of this Country. No one takes responsibility for their own actions or lack of. Well not everyone but a portion such as yourself

Did you folks collect these signatures on slate? Might wanna check that weight number you've got there. And you wonder why we want to double check these things for accuracy.

Ya me an the majority of Americans right? Its obvious your ideas, Obamas policies are awesome. Because our economy is just booming. Greece, France, Spain just to name a few. Ya Im blinded? Ok Drive just keep your head in the sand and every thing will be ok

@Tosa-Whats sad is these people are not even Democrats but rather very progressive liberals who have hijacked the entire party. Democrats and Republicans once were able to somewhat work together. But they are hard core progressive liberals who feel we should all be equal and shame on the individual who got off his lazy ass and made a difference. Shame on him for making money,

Tosa is brown deer. I quess my ignorance does not support walkers actions. Websters says to change what is norm for personal political or religous reasons is an act of perversion. I guess I am to ingorant to support a perv. I guess I am so ignorant I would not torture children by ending healthcare. I quess I am an idiot because I will not support communist voter suppression. I quess I am an idiot because I beleive that physical responsablilty does not mean hand my hard earned tax money to mononploy billionaire business so scooter get more campaign money. Some one who will invest the money in a foreign land. I quess I am ignorant because I support our children our future. Real people call my ignorance human and God fearing. Real people call my ignorance the MORAL thing to do. I quess I am ignorant but I will see eternity. Life is short . No GOP will see eternity. Thank God. Please look in the mirror or has it broke. Lie to yourself why lie to the honest people? I maybe ignorant but I do not support pervert ways. I know now what I am what are you? Websters says it ALL.

@Jerry-Actually you are very ignorant. One you make zero sense. Your sentences are incomplete or run together. I for one do not rely on Websters to make up who I am. Question for you ----- If Mr Walker is so oppresive than explain why he signed a ccw bill along with the castle doctrine. If I am not mistaking that would go against the communist ways. Hmmmmmmm consider the source. What is websters definition of an IDIOT

@Jerry-My point exactly. What is the need to belittle everybody. It shows who you really are. Who is supressing the right to vote? So your saying voter ID is supressing the right to vote? Oh Okay. I believe its the Obama admin that wants the ability to shut down the internet, to ban websites in the nameof Homeland Security. Jerry you really need to get your facts straight and u def need to pull your head out of your ass

It makes sense to educated people. I never expect you or mommy to understand. You have to be smarter than a first grader. Did you understand my quote from websters? Look up the word pervert. You will see my quote. websters say: To change what is norm for personal . political or religous reasons is an act of perversion. Can you deny that scooter did not do all three? I guess my morals fear of God and being a human being will not allow me to support him in any way shape or form. I am also an American so I support democracy. Citizen rule. If you can not understand that and except that I hope your registered in your neighborhood. I hope you informed your neighbors when you got released. It is the law. I know drunks condone drinking, druggies condone drugs and only a perv could condone another perv. Need I say more russian Patriot. When Reagan brought mass quanities of drugs into America so he could make millions and create his drugs war for GE. He enlarged government ten fold as the records show. The GOP is responsable for all America`s problems.

@Jerry-You have me ROTFLMMFAO You are truely a clown with no clue. Citizen Rule spoke when they elected Gov Walker. But since the minority didnt get their way they resort to bashing ones integrity, name calling and well comments such as yours. Jerry again I will pray for you

@Jerry-Michael Moore........Your true colors are showing now. Biggest clown ever!!! Tune into PrisonPlanet.com with an open mind and see whats really going on. I never claimed Mr Bush was our savior, just as I also believe Obama is evil.
Bottom line collect bargaining has no place in the public sector period. Its wrong to hold tax payers hostage period. This is not an attack on private sector unions what so ever. Go beat your Micheal Moore drum some more and smoke your home grown dang

@Jerry- You are hysterical:)) Since you are unable to comprehend that Walker cannot create jobs anymore than Mr Obama!! But what he can do is create the enviroment f or businesses to open up shop in this State. But as long as our State is in a state of turmoil no right minded job creator is going to open his doors due to all the uncertainty. So why dont all you left leanining progressives allow elections to work. If Walker is wrong and does not acheive his promises then he will be voted out. Jerry I am still ROTFLMAO at you!!!

WOW!! If Im not mistaking your the one who is constantly name calling in this room. You said it Jerry Websters says it all. I included Websters definition of you in a previous post. In case you missed it here it is again

usually offensive : a person affected with extreme mental retardation
2: a foolish or stupid person

I apologize for stooping to your level Jerry. I am not one who believes in name calling. Time will tell and we will all see where Wi lies

@Jerry-U should be committed BRO!!! You have some serious issues. Again I will pray for you. You never answered Tosa's question.

If I am not mistaking the Federal Government is BROKE!! What are we just supposed to continue the reckless spending at the future of our children. Tell me where all this Federal Money was going to come from for your High Speed Rail project for which tax payers would have been on the hook for. Its time to be fiscally responsible and it starts here in Wi with Gov Walker. SMALLER GOVERNMENT

The detail that was left out was how much more it would have cost the state had it accepted that federal money. Free money from the feds isn't really free...

@Jerry-Your Quote Just remember Websters it explains it all.

Def of Idiot

usually offensive : a person affected with extreme mental retardation

2: a foolish or stupid person

No, because of his cuts to BadgerCare and attempted cuts to SeniorCare. 'Youth' is affected when they lose their health coverage.

@Randy-Well in fiscal sanity there has to be some cuts and tightening of the belt. Maybe if the fraud was dealt with there would be more money to go around. Just as I have had to make cuts in my home should my kids be out protesting?

@Patriot -- Where were the cuts and belt-tightening for those in the upper brackets? If the sacrifice had been evenly applied across the board I wouldn't feel so strongly about this. Instead Joe the table-busser gets his state EIC cut while Joseph the Vice President gets to deduct his MSA.

@Randy-See that is where we both agree. Absolutely there should be fiscal sanity all the way to the top!! Especially in Washington. But as a tax payer in the private sector whose health care cost climbs every year costing me more out of my check, its hard for me to understand why I should be expected to pay more in the form of taxes just so public employee maintains there cadillac health care. I work for a non union shop, make good money, receieve yearly cost of living increases, have sick pay ect and that is all without collective bargaining.
But yes I agree those at the top do need to become more fiscally responsible. My biggest issue with all this is, it is costing our State even more for what? This is what elections are for. I just feel this is being driven for many reasons other than his collective bargaining bill such as recent passage of ccw, castle dontrine just to name a couple. I mean come on we are next to the last State to finally recognize the 2nd Amendment and pass a ccw law.

THEY ADDED 1.2 BILLION..................... NOT CUT............ ADDED.

@Cynthia -- "THEY" added "1.2 BILLION" to what? Try some communication skills, please.

The JSO reported that about 65,000 people, many of them children, would be removed from BadgerCare.

@Randy-I believe she is referring to adding 1.2 billion to Badge Care. But hey we all know the JSO is a very reliable liberal bias based group of people. So the JSO has zero credibility.

Walker increased state spending for medicaid by $1.2 billion.

http://worh.org/state-news/finance-committee-approves-plan-reduce-badgercare-65-000-people

@Jerry-You are truely dilusional. Im guessing the mob rule over this past summer was just a bunch of dilusional kids who claim they are a victim of the system. Get off your lazy asses and make a difference rather than blame the system. Make a difference. 72% thats a huge number and would most likely include one of my 5 kids. None of my kids can claim they have been a victim of the system. Jerry its called personal RESPONIBILITY. Look up Websters Def of Responsibility

@Jerry- Here let me help you

Webster Says

1: the quality or state of being responsible: as a : moral, legal, or mental accountability b : reliability, trustworthiness
2: something for which one is responsible : burden <has neglected his responsibilities

Keep going Jerry. You truly are the voice of the recall movement. You're making everyone proud. Good work.

@Jerry-Why is it so hard to accept the fact you are not the majority? Were you dropped on your head when u were a baby?

Oh Jerry so now you are referring to yourself as a GOD. Truely dilusional. So ok we accept the money from a Federal level and save what u say would be 5 million. Hmmmm train is built now who funds the operation and up keep of said train? Plus throw in the fact the Feds real ly have no money to loan. Oh more money borrowed from the Chinese which in the end will cost is dearly. But hey at the State level we saved money!!!! Whoooooooo Hoooooooo who cares that the Feds will require more of my hard earned money to pay their bills. Oh but wait I can ride the train to MAdison

Right on, Jerry. You're really nailing them. Keep up the good work.

@Jerry-Hello what loss of freedoms? So now collective bargaining is a freedom? Its not even a right. Democrocy is not leaving the State. If Im not mistaking Obama care was shoved down every single americans throats? But Im sure your all for socialized medicine and if so Canada is calling you

jerry you do realize that Act 10 actually gave rights and freedom? The right to choose to belong to the union or not. The Freedom of choice to belong to the union or not.

CINDY ARCHER!!! Are you back on here again? Did you not learn anything? OMG girl!

@Jerry-Just keep up the good work. Your doing a great job as the voice of the recall movement with your mispellings, incomplete sentences. It just shows your not very educated and your mad that your FREE RIDE IS COMING TO AN END

Don't stop now Jerry you've got them shaking in their boots!

This is hysterical:)) If I were a recall supported I would be embarrased knowing this guy is a spokesperson for the cause. Complete entertainment and its free!! Well not really, the cost of the internet. Completely worth it

What part of his "The trains are federally funded. just like our bussing. If you only had a clue. transportation like bussing trains are all federal funding." comment was factual?

What have I posted that you deem to be 'hateful'? I may be opinionated, but I assure you that I am not hateful in the least...

Jerry has posted some things that are obviously not true, yet you take the time and effort to compliment him on how 'firm and factual' he has been. You also seem to ignore all the ignorant and hateful remarks that Jerry has posted on this thread.

@Laurel-Maybe u should re-read all the posts. Jerry is the one filled name with hate and name calling. Plus there is a huge difference with those in need and those who abuse the system!! Just like the young women at the grocery store, 4 kids, pregnant, with 2 carts full of food, wearing very expensive hooker looking clothes, knee high leather boots, texting on her I-Phone as she swipes her government assistance welfare card. Call it what u will. I call it abuse. Takes away from those who really need the help.

Laurel. I thought the same thing when I read that comment. Whoa! You saw someone at the store and you are calling her abusive? She could be the babysitter of the kids and the parents had her take their phone so they could call her. Who knows. Or a big sister (volunteer). I was a big sister and went out in public with my "little" and another child, so what can you judge about me for that? That's crazy. In this debate there are so many assumptions flying around, so little concern for facts. When I posted the facts of the Wis. retirement system, and how getting $30 million for that system would have been simple--bring control of the fund to Wisconsin, off wall street and save $160 MILLION! Why wasn't that considered rather than hitting working families with 8-15% pay cut? Why would a governor choose to hurt employees and hurt their purchasing power during a depression?

Laurel--he also SAW that these were "out of wedlock" kids and that the person didn't use birth control. This person has super duper laser beams for eyes.

OK--who said they're 'out of wedlock?" In your obsession with this shopper and her possessions and clothing did you also determine she cheated on BadgerCare? I think that's all it takes for you--right? Hooker-ish clothes (in your judgement) kids are "out of wedlock."

@Donna-So you can deny there are lots of kids born out of wedlock by irresponsible women many of which are teenagers?

@Laurel-Again there you go twisting it all around. The women in the wheel chair, the one with MS is 100% deserving of assitance. The young lady who abuses the system for self gain absolutely not!!! Those people requiring temporary help since that what the system was designed for is not what I am referring to. But you being so close minded with your twisted toughts once again turns it around completely. Are you going to deny that there are many single parents on the system who dress better than many of us, have iphones, internet, cable, drive nice cars ect. Yes abuse of the money I give to support them

@Laurel-Well then why did u and all the others not give him a chance just as we did with Doyle for 8 years? If he at the end of his term did not do a good job then thats why we have elections. But to recall on the basis of we dont agree is wrong!! Your last post Laurel I can totally agree on many points!! So see we are not so different but the message gets distorted. My whole point being is Gov Walker was elected to do a job and since there was no fraud or anything illegal he should be allowed to fill his term. The hard core progressive liberals are angry not only about collective bargaining but conceal carry, castle doctrine, voter id and thats just wrong. It sets the example that if we dont agree recall

And I had the very same thoughts about Doyle. But I did not see a recall move to recall Doyle. Yes education is huge but there also needs to be some accountability

Well Mr. Patriot- you obviously did not have the moxy or support of Republicon green root support. Oh wait- didn't Walker try to recall Doyle at some point in his infamous "career". Or perhaps Doyle didn't rape Wisconsin like Walker did in the last year. Hmmmm

Mr. Patriot: " Now we have another movement underfoot.  One which currently isn't getting much attention from the Milwaukee Journal/Sentinel, but has been featured on conservative talk radio in the area as well as Madison.  I am referring to the "Recall Doyle" campaign.   Governor Doyle needs to go.  And the Recall Doyle organization is spearheading the effort to kick him out of office. "
Looks like you are misinformed or just plain don't know your Wisconsin politics. Hmmm

@Drive-Doyle didnt rape Wisconsin? Well I was def affected by your boy Doyles actions year after year. Thus far I have not been affected by Gov Walkers action but rather have benefited.
As for recalling Doyle that is the difference between you so called progressive liberals and myself. I allow the democratic process to play out. As elections have consequences. Unlike you who feels because you dont agree you must recall. Drive to its ok this just shows your mentality and your morals. For you its all about you and you only. You just ride the wave of your so called grass roots movement. Very similar to the Vietnam Protests.

Drive-Its ok I know you really cant help. I will just consider the source. A progressive left wing socialist liberal whose only concern is his bottom dollar

Patriot- do you now recall that Doyle was up for a recall or is that something you can't or won't admit.

The difference between you Patriot and the the 20,000 Wisconsinites who collected the signatures is that they have the moxie and balls to get it done. You sir are a passive little sheep following Walker down the chute to slaughter.

@Drive-Ya there we go again the typical progressive name calling. Its okay I understand you cant help it. The difference between you and I is I have common sense and U have union sense. Get used to it Drive. Its about time your cadillac health care has come to and end and you are required to give a little just as of us in the private sector.

@Bob- I dont believe there is 1.6 petitions for Walker. Either way a large portion of those Im sure will be found to be fradulant. So its more like the amount that originally voted against Walker during the election. So if it comes to an election the silent majority will once again keep him in office!!! Then what will you do? Im sure you will find something else to waste the States money on. Just think if this was not costing the State 9 million plus maybe there would be a few more bucks for said services.

Any potential candidates are not announcing for a very good reason. I'm sure I'll have a nice selection to chose from once the recall is a certainty.

I am a robot, just tell me who to vote for. I will do whatever you say...shoot got in a trance again.

@Randy1949
Unions already told Barret not to run. He fully utilized Walkers reforms to give Milwaukee one of its most responsible budgets in decades. Plus , you wont hear alot about collective bargaining in any recall election. Just as in the senate recalls .....that was not a talking point that wins voters.
Unions will pick your canidate and than u will do as your told . They know they got to keep you in line . They cant have members thinking for themselves and concluding the reforms in fact are working. I was in a union . I know the drill . But common sense and logic is a far better path than hatred and emotion . The unions will wind you all up and you will all act like the trained monkeys they see you as. They cant have any lose cannons actually using logic and relistic fiscal details . Do as your told thats your job.

Did I say Barrett? Did I say any name? Did I say I was in a union?

None of the above.

Randy1949 doesnt matter if you are or you are not. They have taken over the democratic party in Wisconsin. You will do as your told. Thats just a fact.
Dont you like that you dont have to make a choice now . They will do all the thinking for you . I am sure they would love your support . Why do u think they beat the war drums ...its so the trained monkeys come running. I know the drill . I seen it 1st hand for years.
So keep fighting for them..... no worries...I am sure they are doing it for your best interests. lol

And who has taken over the Republican party in Wisconsin? I can see which way the future is going with them, and it's no choice at all.

@Laurel-Well see thats where you are wrong. The Tea Party movement is a movement similar to what the founding fathers believed. They believed in smaller government for one thus the Constitution and Bill of rights was born. People are sick and tired of all the left & right pocket liners just to get the vote. ie Ron Paul a true fiscal conservative!! We The People will prevail. Obviously the way things have been done past and present are not working. The Tea Party is just that We The People who want to take our Country back. Why should we apologize for being arrogant? Obviously Obama feels we need to. If America is so bad then why are there thousands if not millions still trying to get here? Again because Gov Walker put an end to a privlege that many have exploited for years you are upset, because Gov Walker recognized the importance of our 2nd Amendment and passed conceal carry, because Gov Walker also signed voter ID you want to recall him. You cannot argue there is no voter fraud on all sides of the fence. So voter ID just helps to hopefully prevent that. I mean come on they have discovered there were forged signatures in Indiana just to get Obama on the ticket back in 08. It happens so no denying it.
Had the founding fathers shared your thoughts and beliefs we would not be who we are today. As they would have went along with the party rule at that time and we would honoring the king and queen

The Tea party also was born of the middle class because they were sick and tired of paying for so much when those that had the most paid the least (1%ers). Unfortunately the Tea-party got bought out by the 1%ers who have turned the middle class against itself and is demonizing public workers and they are laughing about it as they are no longer the focus of the movement. That is where the Occupy movement came from. They are the 99% who recognize what happened to the Tea-party, a good thing gone wrong

That's because that's how parrots are. They can only repeat what they are taught.

Agreed & at the center of that chaos is walker. Hmmm . . . .

@Walker-No it is the 14 goons who left the State as well as you hard core progressive socialist liberals