@ Jerry W
The ballots did NOT appear.... they were not reported to the AP (an unofficial tally). There is a canvas in place - nothing new to catch errors. She admitted a mistake and apologized.

Diane is right...The votes appeared on City of Brookfields website Last Wed AM, they were counted just not included in the total reported to the AP by Nicholaus. And...she is in that position because she was elected. Prosser won this election. I find it telling that you have no comment about the 10,000+ overvotes in Dane County.... significantly higher that that number in 2008 which was less than 1000.

By the way, if it looks like chicago politics it's likely because so many Union people came in from Illinois to vote in our election! You kow, that stupid thing of not requiring picture ID or same day registration

That's great, you can come up with conspiracy theories about "leftys" based on nothing whatsoever, even though there's absolutely no reason to suspect any lefties of stealing the election, but even when there's a mountain of evidence suggesting that "righties" are doing exactly that, you cover your eyes and refuse to see.

@Nate- What is this "mountain of evidence" that suggests that "righties" are stealing the election?

So do you think NO ONE in the city of Brookfield voted for the SUpreme Ct???

LOL, you libs are rediculous, I'm gonna look into buying some Reynolds stock,I'm sure it'll skyrocket while you folks are making your foilhats out of Reynolds Wrap.

Yeah, "rediculous". I guess it would be "rediculous" to think that Walker and Prosser's AIDE, who got out of CRIMINAL charges because of them, could possibly be up to anything suspicious, just because she was acting suspicious at the press conference when she announced that she FORGOT to count the votes of the second biggest city in her district for TWO DAYS during an election! It would be "rediculous" to think that it's suspicious that she came up with the exact number of votes they needed to avoid a recount, right? They just stole the election, and you're all for it, and furthermore, they stole it so they could continue to destroy the public education system that our children need in order to have any chance at a decent future! They gave billions of dollars of tax breaks to the super rich and they're going to take it out of the salaries of the teachers who are teaching your children, you keep supporting them and see how it works out for you.

Uhhh... Nate... she didn't forget "to count the votes of the second biggest city in her district for TWO DAYS during an election". The reporting mistake was found on Wednesday morning when part of the process to begin canvassing was taking place. Unofficial totals are just that... unofficial. The canvassing process is there to verify that all of the votes are reported correctly. That process worked and situations such as this are the reason that the canvassing process was put into place.

Nate,

I am really amazed how closed minded you are going into this. I bet you used the term "astroturf" more than a couple hundred times the last two years.

First of all, even though Access has an auto save feature on it, it is possible to lose data. I have had it happen to me. Much of it depends on the quality of the forms programming and who is accessing the database at the time. This doesn't mean we should take Kathy Nickolaus at her word. The Government Accountability Board needs to work through the process and verify that the events Nickolaus described did take place. This should be as easy as verifying the data on the transmissions sent from Brookfield, as well as the rest of the county.

Secondly, this isn't the same situation as the one in Washington state in 2004 where they, "suprise", found several boxes of uncounted ballots sitting in a boiler room that gave the election to Christine Gregoire. Or in Minnesota in 2008 where the commissioners found Norm Coleman's name crossed off and Al Franken's written in. In this race you can accurate determine the point of failure and follow up with a proper audit to see if any fraud was committed.

Was this a stupid mistake? Of course it was. But procedure was followed, the mistake caught and corrected, and verified through the canvassing process.

Well, I'll tell you one thing I've never done by accident, I've never lost data in Microsoft Access because I "forgot to save it", do you know why? Because that's impossible in microsoft access. It automatically saves as you update the database! Even if you do a hard shut down while editing data in microsoft access, when you reboot the data is all there! She's lying, and it's not insensitive to point that out, even if she cries as she announces for the umpteenth time that she screwed up an election "by accident", by doing something which is not physically possible.

But maybe I am a little angry at Walker and Prosser and Nickalous, do you know why? Because they're coming after YOU. They're coming after the people who are teaching your children, and that means they're coming after your children. They want to take the money that would have educated them and stuff it into the overflowing pockets of people who have too much money already. They're lying to you and playing you for a chump, and I'm telling you the truth. It's up to you to decide which of those things you'd rather be angry about.

And you call ME hateful? What was that rant all about? Look, you can't "forget" to save data in microsoft access, it's IMPOSSIBLE. Access can screw up databases sometimes, but it will NEVER, EVER allow you to do what Nickalous is claiming she did. Period. End of story. I'm a programmer, and I've worked with access a lot and I know what it can and can't do. As for the votes being canvassed correctly, how would you know? Nickalous keeps everything on her computer and nobody has access to it but her, and this process only got started today, they haven't had a recount, they've only begun the investigation, so you can't possibly know whether it was legit or not, NOBODY knows that except for Nickalous at this point.

I didn't think it was so funny, I thought it was you being what you claim I am. Listen, I am pretty up to date on this story, I'm telling you the truth, she's not. I know for a fact that what she's saying she did is not POSSIBLE. I also know that she's closely linked with both Walker and Prosser, and she's done this sort of thing before, this isn't the first time, and if they get Prosser into office again, he's going to rule that Walker's bill is legal, even though they broke the law when they passed it, and children in wisconsin will SUFFER because of it. Their education will suffer, their future prospects will be dimmer, and that's not an accident.

Wrong, and if you like Walker I am sure you love Ryan's Plan too. Only problem there is that in 10 years Ryan's Actually adds more debt than Obama's. This comes from the CBO, which is a non-partisan office.

You keep telling yourself that Jay, that's why you believe it. I know it disappoints you that someone dare come up with a plan that might actually fix something rather than keep adding to the problem. We all know which party likes to raid different funds without worry of the consequences for the future.

Oh, right, Mark S! I forgot that we have debt! I forgot that Walker is getting rid of the debt by giving rich people a billion dollars and then taking a few hundred million out of the hides of teachers who are trying to teach your children! Hey, we've got to pay down that debt, after all, you remember the last time we paid down the debt under Hoover, that was awesome, and when Roosevelt came in and ran up the debt it really destroyed that Great Depression we had going there, and we certainly don't want your children to have an education or deprive them of a great depression. You see, there's a silver lining to everything, Walker and friends are trying to destroy you and you and many other people here want to be destroyed, everybody's going to be happy. :)

That is the case here? Now you are lying. You have no idea what the case is here, you're just trying to concoct a scenario to explain something which is clearly impossible. I have dealt with access databases quite a bit before, it is not possible to forget to save data. PERIOD. Access saves the data to the database as you type! You have no idea what the exact process that Nichalous is using is, but you're claiming that your scenario is what she's doing. Why? Why are you lying in such an obvious manner?

Steel, Nate is correct about MS Access. I also use an Access-based software program which has a default auto-save. Auto-saved data is maintained after workstation and network failure. However, it is possible to overwrite data, but this requires network admin status.

I am skeptical about the uncounted ballots (even without the precedents of voting irregularities during the 2000and 2008 presidential elections) is because it is difficult to imagine this level of incompetence in a pivotal role. As Nate noted, the number of ballots eerily equals the same number required to win and close the door to a recount that Kloppenburg doesn't have fund (as I understand it). According to 2009 stats, population of Waukesha County is 383,151. Not that big. Approx. 70% of population is voting age (268,205). Pop. of Brookfield is 39,613, 68% (26,937) are voting age. These are easily manageable numbers. Perhaps she was also using a "test" database and entered Brookfield in the wrong place. Anyway, if somewhere down the road we learn that the ballots were "held back" in reserve or worse, it just wouldn't surprise me (some folks put winning over honor).

Lying? Incorrect? Not hardly, gentlemen. I design systems for a living, and have extensive experience with fixing people's issues when I have to come in and fix MS Access-based systems.

If you think about this, instead of "IT AUTOSAVES!!! IT AUTOSAVES!!!" you'll realize that you don't know the design of the system or the processes involved. Data being imported isn't always saved. There are many ways of doing this, and the most common is the use of temporary/working tables. The "save" function then populates the master table(s) where data is then reported from.

It is not "impossible" to forget to save. The "auto-save" function isn't always applicable, and anyone counting on it being infallable is destined to fail miserably.

As to the supposed "uncounted" ballots... They were counted. They simply weren't included in the initial report. The next morning when numbers were reviewed and Brookfield showed zeros, the canvassing process began and the information was corrected. These same numbers were available for anyone to see even prior to the news conference. Use your intelligence here, not your wishes/paranoia.

@ Steel, you're absolutely correct. An Access application may / may not "save" data depending on it's logic and the framework behind. We have no way of knowing why the Brookfield counts weren't reflected in the database without knowing more about her particular application. I've seen it in practice where an Access database relies on a user clicking "save" before it commits the data to the database. This sounds like an append query is performed when "save" is clicked. Don't press "save" the table doesn't recieve the new records. Brookfield's votes were always counted just not appended to Waukesha County's totals. But again we don't yet have enough information to make a judgment.

Nate, can't seem to get over the frustration of doing a victory dance before the offical results were reported. I mean who on earth declares victory before the official vote totals are reported in a race seperated by such a small margin?

@Nate. you may want to do a little research on MS Access before offering any more opinions on this.

Stella its people like you and several others(on both sides, but on this forum more conservatives) on this site that foster the downfall of the principles and liberties of this country and state. Seriously, this woman has earned the scorn of fellow Republicans many times. She has a very questionable past, and just made a(what appears to be) huge huge screw up. If this happened in Dane or Milwaukee county, and it favored the other side you would be livid. Heck Even when people like you found that you were 204 votes down you were throwing a fit and saying Democrats rigged the election and that was without this MAJOR screw up by Nichols. If Prosser is the winner then so be it, I didn't vote for him but if he won he won. However, I certainly think that there should be an investigation given this woman's history and the nature of the screw up. To borrow a line form Sykes, Belling, Hannity, Beck, and any other of these Conservative nut jobs, if it was a accidental mistake then she should have nothing to hide right??? If it was me I would welcome a investigation, because I know that I would not be dishonest about something like this.

Lets have a debate fine, but resorting to name calling and sabre rattling is UNAMERICAN!

I agree Jay, I'm all for a investigation. It doesn't matter, when everything comes out in the end the left will still say they should have had more people vote multiple times to insure the victory.

What's that smell? Sniff Sniff..... It smells like victory for Prosser. You lose again.

Jay, just one question. Are you OK with NOT COUNTING the entire city of Brookfield's votes? It is absurd that you would even bring conspiracy into something that is a CLEAR CUT CASE OF HUMAN ERROR--by ANYONE'S standards. One city's votes were NOT represented--now they are. THAT IS DEMOCRACY. You just don't want to lose--and you are insisting on YOUR WAY REGARDLESS.

If those votes are legitimate then of course they should be counted! Nobody is saying they shouldn't, what I'm saying is that I'm not just going to take her word for it because:
1. She has a clear and obvious conflict of interest.
2. She has close ties to Walker and Prosser.
3. She has a history of suspicious and probably even criminal behavior having to do with election irregularities!
4. What she's saying she did is not possible to do in microsoft access.
5. Her process is not transparent, she keeps all the data on her personal computer and she's the only one who has access to it.
6. She acted suspiciously at the press conference and just happened to find the EXACT number of votes that Prosser needed in order to win without a recount.

I don't want Prosser to win, because he's clearly crooked, just wait and see, he'll declare walker's bill illegal even though they broke the rules of the legislature when they passed it and therefore it is illegal and void. Just watch and see, Prosser will rule however Walker tells him to rule, and children in Wisconsin will have their education put on the chopping block, but if that's what Wisconsinites actually voted for, then great, I'm all for it, and actually I might get some satisfaction knowing that that was what people themselves chose.

No Strella of course all votes should count. All I am saying is that there should be an investigation. This woman was a "Computer Person" and these kinds of "mistakes" should not happen. As I stated if Prosser won then so be it, but there has to be accountability the right always talks about that. If this were a Democrat that had messed up you guys would be screaming. She should be replaced/recalled.

Dont agree with this because just less than 2 months ago Prosser had a 65% lead over his opponent. A swing of 15% in 2 months is unpresedented .

Thanks for the link! I am proud of my tweet posts, I am proud to support Democracy in Egypt, and the religious freedom of muslims everywhere, particularly in america. If you want to support the guy who went on a rampage and killed several people, or pretend like he was NOT a radical rightist, or engage in islamophobic hate, or oppose democracy, you be my guest! You can be proud of those positions if you want to, I certainly wouldn't be, and unless the forces of repression turn america into a living hell, you won't be proud of that radial, extreme position for very long. Like the erstwhile supporters of apartheid in south africa, you'll be denying these positions soon enough, mark my words. I can guarantee you that I am not ashamed of supporting democracy and religious tolerance, and I never will be, even if you succeed in starting another holocaust against muslims, I have no reason to be ashamed.

It's not pretending. Painting this guy as a righty, poltically motivated killer is truly disgusting and shows that you will use any means necessary to further your agenda. The people thtaknew him prior to his slide into mental derangement have described him as a liberal. His killing spree was motivated by his mental issues and your, and others, attempts to use this tragedy for your political agenda is disgusting.

I promote religious freedom, as long as that religion doesn't think I should be killed because I think differently then them. I have numerous Muslim friends, it's the radical faction of their religion I have issues with. The only problem I have with the average Muslim is the apparent unwillingness to condemn the actions of the radicals in their ranks. Save for a view nationally known Muslims who've been willing to speak out, they have been silent.

Nate, willyou condemn Hamas as a terrorist Organization???

Hey Nate, here's an article you'll just hate. Read up, Mr." Reliogous Tolerance".

http://thpatriots.blogspot.com/2011/04/doug-giles-you-can-slaughter-christians.html

I know, I was trying to be nice :)

I support religious freedom and democracy, apparently to you those things are taboo. If I am a radical islamist, then you quote me supporting islamic theocracy or religious violence. QUOTE ME. I'm waiting...

NO they are not really alike, but I digress. As far as I know this is still a free country unless you wish to install a dictatorship, which seems to be the case with Mr. Walker.

When I say "people like you" I say it because I dont personally know Strella and all I can do in dealing with the negative comment is to lump that in with others like Strella(and this includes Democrats as well) who fan the flames of this war of words. We all need to realize that we are AMERICANS first! There is nothing wrong with having different opinions, but to always be so negative and HA HA you lost or oh your a cheater or whatever from either side does not solve our problems. We have to compromise and many of our leaders dont understand this and its because "we the people" have forgot how to do it as well. If your married think about your marriage. Do you always get everything you want? No you compromise with your spouse. If you do get everything you want most likely you have a bad marriage. That is all I am trying to say. Lets have a discussion but do it with civility and be ready to compromise, both sides.

The right likes to act like this is so sanitized and odor-free. But it's not. This reeks way beyond "ballots found in the back seat of a car."

Let's see what happens. There is a lot going on here were it is likely that the troglodytes might be crying in their beer.

Bren Stated:

When a candidate states that his actions as judge will be a "complement" to Scott Walker. Tree, that's why the "progressive left" believes that Prosser=Walker: because he SAID so!
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Bren, you are sadly misinformed--please do your research and don't believe the venom political union hacks lie about. The "complement" statement was released by a Prosser campaign STAFFER, who said this on his own without Judge Prosser's knowledge and certainly not his permission. Judge Prosser knows he has to remain nonpolitical, and he HAS. Intrestingly, I think you should visit Kloppenburg's website and discover she DOES NOT.

Any one who denies that Prosser will be the processor for Walker's policies is dreaming. I'm sure you didn't vote for Prosser because he is "fair and balanced.' Certainly his conduct in court is not balanced.

And no one can deny that a candidate coming out of no where to almost beat, or maybe beat, a sitting supreme court justice indicates that people are starting to turn on Walker when that justice is superglued to the mouth breather.

Even worse when you consider that "Kloppenburg" is not an easy name to remember.

Stella, I watch about 3 hours daily of political news and analysis, which includes analyzing interviews and commentary from Fox, read the paper and belong to an online community that is dedicated to political analysis. I flatter myself that I do my duty as an American citizen and stay apprised of what is happening in my state and country. You didn't provide a source (valid or from Fox) for your assertion about the staffer basically lying it up. That information would certainly have deflated the Prosser=Walker meme. Unless you have inside knowledge of the situation, I'm not sure how you would know that the staffer was not representing Prosser. And if you did have information that would have cleared Prosser of accusations of bias, why didn't you provide this to the media prior to the election like a good citizen and Prosser supporter? Please provide your verifiable source that a staffer had taken it upon him- or herself to make up stuff about what was in Prosser's mind on this issue-thanks. Also, please provide a link to the article/interview that verifies Prosser "knows" he must be impartial-this would put 1/2 of WI voters' minds at rest. And I'm not sure what "union hacks" have to do with this. When did you first become angry with unions? Was it around February 11, 2011, by any chance?

Oh boo hoo. You get respect when you earn it.

Put on the brave face. You'll need it.

The damage has been done and there is no honor to the Prosser campaign, even before this nonsense happened.

Already this is taken on the aroma of the stolen Florida election, and the dishonor that Nickolaus has brought to the normally clean Wisconsin election process.

Aldo... Prosser got more votes, Waukesha has a clerk who can't run access correctly, get over it. Prosser has shown a lot of class during this campaign. He didn't run an ad that lied about chiled sexual abuse, your camp did. You could have won, but your rage blew up in your face. Continue with that rage and anger and you will continue to lose. Actual provide a good qualified canadiate and present a honest alternative, you may actually have a chance to win a race or two. Now you are left crying fraud over unofficial results.. pathetic. The Dems are lacking some adult leaders in Wisconsin.

Hey Nancy, I believe Kloppenburg received votes from more than just public union employees. Why do you call them thugs? This infers possibly illegal behavior on their part and that's quite an accusation. The anonymity of the internets allows us say unkind things that we might not say to someone's face, doesn't it? It's interesting that the people who are now accusing unions of thuggery really didn't have much of an opinion at all on the matter until February 11, 2011, when the Koch brothers launched their statewide union attack ads to "complement" Walker's budget repair bill. Now union members have little pointy ears, prehensile tails, and tridents.

Nancy, I have to tell you that I'm thoroughly disgusted by your repeated attempts to call teachers and firemen and even policemen thugs. These are the people who are teaching your children, these are the people who would save your life if your home was on fire, these are the people who protect you every single day and they are the ones who you would call if someone was attacking you! Without them, you would have no safety, no security, and no hope of a future for your children. You keep on supporting David Koch while he attacks them, keep on bashing them and calling them all THUGS for no reason. Pretty soon, Koch and his minions will make sure you don't have to worry about these particular THUGS helping you any more.

Don't pin obama on me, I hate him. I don't care about party, all I care about is that the children in this country have a CHANCE, an education, not just my kids but all kids. You just admitted that walker gave money away to the rich, it doesn't matter if the democrats helped him or not, the important thing is that he has no right to take money out of the educational system that wisconsin's children are DEPENDING on and give it to david koch so he can replate his gold toilets.

You admit that you don't know much about access, I do know, and I know it is impossible to do what Nickalous says she did. Period. It auto saves, it has never, EVER failed to save data that I have entered, this is a basic component of the software and does not break. There are some parts of access that occasionally break or malfunction, it's for personal use, not for enterprise use, but the auto save is NOT one of the components that breaks. It ALWAYS works. Now, as for your dig about big business, I do not have anything against big business, I have something against big business ruling this country as if it was a banana republic, but that's another matter. I want this country to be a democracy, where people can hold politicians accountable, even when they're members of "the home team". Believe me, I would never sit here and defend a democrat while they steal an election. I bash obama mercilessly when I feel that he's doing something bad, which is almost always, I also bash republicans and other democrats when I feel they're wrong or crooked. The reason why politicians can get away with murder in this country is that too many people support them no matter what, based on party. I think we both know that if Nickalous was a democrat we'd both be on the same side of this issue right now, and you'd be even more angry than I am at Nickalous.

YOU apparently don't realize that teachers accepted contributions to their pensions INSTEAD of pay raises! Now, if the UNION THUG TEACHERS are threatening people, prove it. I'd like to see these threats, because I think you've been watching too much Fox news. The teachers weren't the ones who created a huge hole in the budget by giving away a billion dollars to the super rich, that was Walker, and the unions AGREED to ALL of walkers demands, except for one thing, they won't agree to give up their right to have a union. And you wouldn't either, if you had any idea how much unions have done for you and all teachers.

Great, now being a liberal is a crime, contributing to the democratic party is a crime, but stealing an election is perfectly fine! Listen, Prosser has ruled in favor of walker in 95% of his cases! Nickalous is LYING and it's obvious that she's lying, and everybody knows that walker broke the rules of the legislature when he and the republicans passed that bill. That's why he needs prosser to win, so that prosser can put the rubber stamp of approval on his ILLEGAL bill.

That's a bunch of nonsense. You don't want the best teachers, you want the CHEAPEST teachers, you want to transform teaching from a noble PROFESSION into a temp job, so that your kids can grow into a nice stable lifetime job at mcdonalds or maybe a sweatshop. THAT'S what you're arguing for here. If you have any evidence that the teachers of wisconsin are thugs, then PRESENT IT. Then, do the honorable thing and work seven days a week, 16 hours a day, for a few pennies a day, with no rights, no benefits, and no protection, in an unsafe workplace, because after all, that's the way it was before the union thug teachers showed up to do the unthinkable, collectively bargain.

Amen, sister!

Yes, I admit that I'm evil enough to be progressive and want to build a utopia! Not only that, but I'm a secular humanist, I actually LIKE human beings! I'm not one of those righteous types who hates people, hates democracy, and wants to build a dystopia, so sue me. I have a suggestion for you, NO. This country is not yet a dictatorship, and that means you don't get to tell me to leave because I don't agree with your fascism. It's a free country, so sorry to disappoint you. Now, thanks for suggesting that it wasn't teachers who were protesting, I needed a good laugh. Yes, it wasn't teachers, it was GEORGE SOROS, and it was all organized by OBAMA, who couldn't care less about what's happening in wisconsin!

Right, teachers, who teach your children, are so LAZY and WORTHLESS! That's why our education keeps slipping, NOT because we keep taking money out of schools and dropping it into the pockets of the koch family! They hate having money taken out of their checks to fight for their rights and the rights of school children, they'd rather have that money dropped into david koch's money pit, so he can lobby walker and any other sack of worthless scum with some power to abolish their jobs or maybe put them at minimum wage with no benefits! THAT is what any teacher would want, unless of course they're fools who believe in education or some such nonsense.

I'm so glad that you and your husband support giving your pensions to david koch and the corporations! That's fantastic. You don't need be eating nice food when dog food is so inexpensive and probably won't kill you, and god knows that david koch could use another billion dollars to stuff into the pockets of Walker, or to replate his gold toilets with...

My bias against fascism, oligarchy, and racism and religious intolerance is clouding my vision?! Great! That's the kind of cloud I want. I'm glad that you admit that you don't have the first clue about what Nickalous actually did, nobody does at this point because her process is not transparent. All you know is what I told you, that you can't forget to save data in access, it's impossible. Now, if you want to make excuses for Nickalous, and excuse away the fact that in all probability, she's lying and stole the election, and give her an ENORMOUS benefit of doubt, and then go merrily about your way and just take her word for it, fine, you go ahead. The rest of us will demand an investigation, exactly the way you would if Nickalous had been a democrat. If she was, you'd be screaming from the rooftops right now. Now, don't hang saudi arabia around my neck because I have failed to sufficiently hate and despise muslims. I don't support saudi arabia for exactly the same reason I don't support Walker and Prosser and Nickalous. I support religious tolerance and non-discrimination and religious freedom. Also, don't trot out the old myth that muslims don't condemn terrorism, it's false. Muslims speak out against violence constantly, NOBODY IS LISTENING! Don't believe me? Do a quick google search and see for yourself.

Yes, I will lecture you, because there aren't any thugs in those unions, the unions are made up ENTIRELY of teachers, firefighters, and policemen! THOSE are the people you refer to as THUGS. So don't deny it. It was not an inner city gang or a mafia hit squad demonstrating in the capital, it was TEACHERS, FIREFIGHTERS, and POLICEMEN. I will repeat that fact until it sinks in. Now, as for Walker, he didn't have any budget problems at all until he came in and gave away a billion dollars to the super rich. THAT is where the mess came from, he MADE it, so he could claim there was a deficit and take money away from the teachers who are teaching your children. If you're actually a teacher, then you are a fool and you're supporting the man who is taking money out of your pocket to give to david koch and large corporations who are literally drowning in cash. Congratulations, you will get exactly what you deserve, unfortunately, many teachers who are not traitors and fools will get it as well. Just so you remember, this mess did not exist before Walker created it by giving welfare to the rich. As for the military, they are getting paid, and there's no government shut down, because once again the democrats have capitulated to the outrageous and unreasonable demands of the republicans, who, if they have their way, will abolish medicare and medicaid and cut social security so that the old and the poor can die in the streets like they used to before we had the new deal.

You didn't seem to recognize that back when you agreed that I am a "radical islamist" because I don't hate all muslims and believe that they should be demonized, vilified, and discriminated against because of their basic religious affiliation.

Yes, it would seem she forgot to enter the data at all. That inspires confidence in all the other important records our County Clerk is responsible for.

Yes, it would be better for you to just shut up, because all you can do is call names, you can't deny the truth of what I'm saying, and when you claim progressive = violent you're just demonstrating how clueless or maybe how EXTREME you are. I'm telling you the facts, and you don't like it, so you accuse me of all sorts of nonsense, but you can't deny the truth of what I'm saying.

They're not the issue here. The eletion was just stolen, THAT is the issue. Walker is giving away money to the rich and crapping all over the teachers, that is also part of the issue. Soros is another subject which has no relevance here.

Rhetoric is speech, I should hope my comments are full of speech, otherwise they wouldn't be intelligible. You're quite right, the conservatives here have responded in a bizaare way, but what would you expect from people who believe that david koch is the good guy, and the teachers are thugs? Yes, you are done here, because all you can do is assert that I'm lying with no argument to back it up and then call me names. You have no answer for what I'm saying, because it's the truth.

Thanks so much for that! You are admitting that you believe the teachers of wisconsin are THUGS! You're apparently an extremist who believes that when someone is charged with a crime, they are to be presumed guilty, especially if they are a teacher, making 19,000 dollars a year, and their salary and benefits are being cut to line the overflowing pockets of david koch. You're going to be very happy when america is officially an oligarchy and you are officially a peasant.

$19,000 per year?? Are you kidding?? Here's alitle site where you can look up Wisconsin Teacher salaries. Educate yourself a bit...
http://www.postcrescent.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/99999999/APC0110/80221166

While you're at it, you may want to look up Assemblyman Barca's (The clown from Kenosha) wife Kathleen, $112,000 per year, BEFORE benefits.

You know as well as anyone that those protests were not just teahcers, firemen, polcemen. Unionistas from all over bussed in. Forcing their way past police into the capitol, entering through a window, kicking out a door panel, defacing war memorials, smacking a girls camera, bullying boycotts, getting arrested for trying to prevent people from entering a store that supported Walker (Sendiks, and the dopes were at the wrong store,LOL), YES NATE, THESE ARE THUG TACTICS.

@ Nancy

The district is looking into whether they need to remove the flyers.

do ya think so?!?!?!?!?!?!

Have a nice life yourself, enjoy that slavery that's coming your way. Enjoy licking the rear quarters of the politicians who are abusing the teachers and the firefighters and the policemen who are making your comfortable life possible, who are giving your children a chance at a decent future. Keep betraying them to carry water for criminals who snicker with contempt at you and all the other fools who support them.

Some do, some do not. Some of them are in fact making 19,000 dollars a year.

Allegedly. Remember that word, that means that this 26 year old woman is not guilty until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law.

Leaving aside your petty name calling, I have to tell you that I'm not obliged to answer questions in whatever way that you demand. However, I would be willing to answer your question after you answer my question to you. Here it is -- Are you willing to condemn Israel as a terrorist organization??? No Rationalizations please, just a yes or no answer will do, then I will give you a yes or no answer.

ARe you over 12?? LOL, I'm guessing not by most of your comments on this site.

Sometimes what you DON'T say speaks volumns. I see you're an anti-semite, and you claim to work towards religious tolerance by carrying the water for the most intolerant religion out there.

I don't have to rationalize anything, I back Israel and No, I would now condemn then as a terrorist org, but then I'm not an anti-semite.

Nothing to do with wisconsin except of course for the fact that he helped get walker elected, and of course there's the inconvenient little fact that he's the only one walker will take a phone call from. Not you, not the people, not the democrats in the senate, only david koch.

That heartless Bastard! :)

What a GREAT GUY. CT, thanks for sharing this ;^).

Wow, he donated some money to some museums while he was buying politicians so he could destroy the public schools that your children are going to! What a great guy, I'm sure he's going to be a benevolent master for you, and you, a loving, appreciative slave :)

Let me just reiterate my previous words to you, C T, you called me a piece of shit, which I think is pretty shameful, then you say "bless that evil-monger"? Somehow I don't think you really want to bless me that much, and I'm not "mongering evil", I'm mongering human rights and democracy and transparent government. Now, perhaps you think it's a good thing to do to encourage your child to take one look at me, and based on my hair cut, to pass judgement on me as a "racist skinhead", without hearing a single word I say. Perhaps you think it's totally cool for you to tell me that if I don't support murdering palestinian babies because of their skin color, that I'm a racist antisemite, based on nothing whatsoever, without being able to quote me saying one thing which would indicate that I'm a skin head or a racist. I don't agree. I think that's scummy, shameful, dishonest, and prejudicial behavior. I would tell your son to listen to what I have to say before passing judgement on me (prejudging me) based on my appearance. If he believes I'm a racist, have him question me himself and I will explain my views. if he doesn't understand my positions or why I take them, I would be glad to explain them, but I don't think you're really interested in that, are you?

I'm not like you, I am not a slave. I don't take orders. If you don't want to believe that teachers are making 19,000 dollars a year as THEY SAY THEY ARE, then don't. No skin off my nose, and why don't you just call walker and see if he takes your call? As for abusing teachers and firefighters, we BOTH know that's true, and you couldn't love it more! You have nothinb but disdain teachers and firefighters, it would seem, who you claim are nothing but THUGS!

Fixed your post Nate...
<<I'm not like you, I am not mature. I don't take orders and I scream like a petulant child when I don't get my way. If you don't want to believe that teachers are making 19,000 dollars a year as THEY SAY THEY ARE, then don't (Plus,I couldn't find any ACTUAL proof of my rediculous claims) No skin off my nose, and why don't you just call walker and see if he takes your call? Did I mention I have "Koch Envy" Blah, blah, antisemitisim, blah,blah, Ilove Terrorists, blah blah...!>>

No, you're not like me. I base my views on facts, not on some political claptrap that someone has fed me. I don't demand others show proof, and when they do, ignore it. I don't refuse to show proof of my assertions using the lame excuse "I am not a slave. I don't take orders." And I don't KNOW that teachers and firefighters are abused, because they aren't. They make a damn good living, get pensions they don't have to fund, and get their healthcare paid for.
BTW, Nate, what is it that you do for a living? Teacher? Firefighter? Unemployed? On welfare?

You've demanded proof that union leaders (the thugs, not every teacher/firefighter) threatened legislators and it was given to you. I again ASK you to show me proof, the same proof that you demand, that there are teachers making $19,000 in the state of Wisconsin for a full time position.

Ready? Go......

@Nancy
This is a debunked trick the teachers unions have pulled in the past. A teacher may have two positions at the school, themain teaching job might pay $45k, and the other position may may $19k. They will then report that a teaching "job" pays $19K, even though the teacher doing that "job" is making $64k, tehy also use this strategy when they attempt to say the average salary per teaching "Job" is low, when in fact there'smore jobs then teachers because some of them hold two positions.

@ Mr. Conservative

Thank you for that...what a piece of dog-doo N8 is. My son saw that video while I was watching and asked if he was a racist skinhead! I didn't know he even knew what one was! I then had to explain that he is full of hatred and "hides" behind children as his reason to spew horrible rhetoric. I would stand up for Israel any day. God Bless that evil-mongers soul.

Way to go Mr Con, you support racism, ethnic government, murder, ethnic cleansing, terrorism, etc. You claim I'm full of hate, but you can't prove it, because I don't say hateful things about religions or ethnic groups. Obviously you hate palestinians, that means you're a racist. Obviously you hate muslims, that means you're a religious bigot. What's wrong with wearing a scarf which represents the palestinian people? You claim that islam is the most intolerant religion in the world? How many muslims do you know personally? I would guess zero. You claim I'm an antisemite because i object to the random murder and oppression of arabs? No, I don't have to choose between hating arabs and hating jews. I don't hate either. Maybe you hate muslims, but I don't, I believe they are human beings, with human rights, and any state which denies those rights I oppose. If you actually stick around and watch some more of my videos, you might understand something about the israeli/palestinian conflict. Either you have no clue at the moment, or you are a hopelessly evil person. And C T, what a wonderful christian you must be, calling me a hatemonger, but you teach and encourage your own child to judge other people based on their appearance or hair cut? That's prejudice, and I would never teach that to my child. You even call me shit? That's shameful.

But thanks for linking to my channel, I am proud of my positions and my views, and I'm proud to oppose anti-arab racism, islamophobia, antisemitism, and all forms of prejudice and injustice. I am proud to support a free and democratic palestine, where everyone is equal. Believe me, one day there won't be anybody proudly proclaiming that they support what's being done right now to palestinians, just like there's nobody left who supports the old apartheid regime in south africa. But unfortunately for you, your abominable views will be on the internet forever, a mark of shame.

Rick, I heard today the the Democrats in Wisconsin want the FEDERAL Government to look into this election...doesn't make much sense, as this is a STATE issue! Nevertheless, they are trying to set the wheels in motion. NOT that the Fed has anything else to do that's pressing at the moment, lol!

I'll respond, whether you like it or not. I do not think that Nickalous should be prejudged as guilty, nor do I believe that votes shouldn't be counted. My position is very simple and has been from the very beginning. What happened was suspicious, and it should be investigated to make sure the election can be trusted by all sides. If the numbers are legitimate, then let's make sure they're legitimate. Period. It seems to me that you and many others don't like the idea of opening this process up and making sure it's legit, but just want us to take Nickalous's word and trust her and be on our merry way and just pretend that it wasn't suspicious. That's unacceptable, and it would be about 10 times more unacceptable for you if Nickalous was a democrat and her sudden find had swung the election in favor of Kloppenburg. Would you care to admit that? Or are you going to tell me that if the shoe was on the other foot, that you would have the same attitude that you want the supporters of kloppenburg to have? Would you just trust the democrats and be on your merry way if they suddenly find 14,000 new votes?

Nate, I answered your question,but you never answered mine? Will you condemn Hamas and Hezbolah as terrorist organizations???

And I do know a great many Muslims, though I'm not married to a Muslim.

Tell that to "Mr Conservative" and "C T". They were the ones who dragged the conversation through the mud in a vain attempt to vilify me because I'm not an anti-arab racist and support human rights for palestinians. I'm proud to support the human rights of all people, even arabs and muslims, and will not mention it again, unless they continue to slander me while calling me names such as excrement and antisemitic.

Lisa, when posters have a radical and extremist background, it's helpful to exposes that background to help others understand the stands that they are taking.

What Mr Con means to say is that because I believe that the election should be investigated because of the obvious irregularities, he took it upon himself to start an investigation of ME, and found my twitter and youtube account so that he could provide links to them (thanks Con) in a vain attempt to paint me as a "radical extremist" (about issues which have no relevance here) because I am not an extreme racist who advocates the murder and victimization of palestinian men, women, children and babies. Personally I don't believe my failure to be racist has any bearing on my views that this election, not me, should be investigated.

Because I'm telling the truth and they don't like that sort of thing.

Because it's like going past the site of a train wreck...you just can't help look and comment.

Because she's worked with both prosser and walker, she has been involved in election irregularities before and her story and behavior are both suspicious, especially given the fact that she found just the right amount of votes to avoid a recount. I'm not saying she's guilty, but it is definitely suspicious enough to warrant a thorough investigation and a recount. If she's telling the truth, then great, put prosser in office because that's what people voted for, if not, then we need to know about it. It's about the integrity of our democracy, and let's keep it real here, every single conservative here would be demanding the same thing if she was a democrat and her little find swung the election in favor of Nickalous, you know it, and I know it.

So you're against a recount, and you're against an investigation? Ok, if a democratic councilperson suddenly finds 14,000 new votes, which are stored on their personal computer, and swings the total in favor of Kloppenburg, are you going to likewise oppose any investigation or recount?

Sure, they weren't found, that's why Kloppenburg was in the lead until 2 days after the election was over! I'm certainly willing to admit the possibility that the votes are legitimate, and Nickalous's lie about forgetting to save was an innocent white lie, but I'm not willing to operate on trust, I want an investigation and a recount, and you would too if Nickalous was a democrat, and those 14000 votes swung the election for Kloppenburg, and we both know that.

Nate... that's utter nonsense. In one part you say you'll acknowledge the facts, but in the same breath you're practically SCREAMING for an investigation because you willfully ignore reality. Votes/ballots weren't "found". Votes/ballots weren't "mysteriously discovered". The numbers were there from day one but were mistakenly not included in the report sent to the AP. What is there left to "investigate"? And you want a recount, in Waukesha County, possibly one of the most conservative counties in the entire country? Be careful what you wish for because you just might get it, and despise the results even more after the fact.

Nate, the election is not over until all counties report their official totals. We're still waiting for Milwaukee. So, even now the election is not "over".

Guess you figure it's over when your candidate takes the lead? What about Dane County? They didn't report until late. Maybe when Prosser took the lead you could say Madison "found" a bunch of votes. That's the logic at play here.

Waukesha County screwed up but it has been caught well before the end of this election. There has never been anything suspicious reported about how Brookfield handled their votes. They were counted and reported - just took longer than we would prefer.

Warranted based on precisely what, Nate? Your opinion? The "vote totals" are on county equipment, and not a personal computer. Repeating that lie is just that... a lie. You claimed that you accepted the vote totals, but once again you contradict yourself, and can't even get the state straight. "Shame"? ;-)

Sorry, I meant wisconsin. Yes, I have a hard time just accepting the outcome without a thorough investigation and a recount, absolutely. I don't think that's unreasonable, given the circumstances. Once an investigation has been concluded, then I'll gladly accept the outcome whatever it is. Like I said, if wisconsinites want prosser, that's exactly what they should get.

Again, Nate... Be careful what you wish for. You just might get it, and you're guaranteed to continue to be unhappy with the results (and you likely know that and only want to perpetuate the feigned "outrage").

Never said I had any "fear" of an investigation or recount. Drag me kicking and screaming? Maybe you should help with the recount given your unparalleled ability to divine one's intent. HA!

Can you, beyond hyperbole, conspiracy theories and incorrect information (e.g. "personal computer" which has been debunked, etc.), justify an investigation? What evidence do you have?

What does Gov. Walker have to do with this? Do you have evidence that he conspired to rig the election? No? I'm "shocked". /sarc

Previous connections with Justice Prosser? So you believe that anyone's past associations should automatically either disqualify someone from serving in specific positions or automatically require that all of their actions be investigated? Really? REALLY???!!!

Suspicions? That's your evidence? That'll hold up in a banana republic court, but not around here.

There is nothing to indicate that there were any irregularities. There is no question about the integrity of the ballots that have been maintained or the number of votes that have been counted, which has been verified by the GAB. You've got nothing other than your wishes, hopes and desires that "something" gets uncovered so that you continue to falsely claim FRAUDDDD!!! Pffft.

Nickalous held her press conference, in which she announced that there were 14000 uncounted votes on her laptop, and acted very nervously, 2 days after the election. That's a fact.

First of all, the votes weren't "uncounted". They weren't included in the unofficial count submitted to the AP. The canvassing process was able to successfully discover the discrepancy and correct the totals before they were finalized and made official. The process works! Shouldn't you be happy about that?

And acting nervous when speaking in public makes someone suspicious? Wow. Just... wow. Why don't you stand before the press and cameras and reporters and admit to your mistakes? Tell me exactly how confident and not nervous you'd act, Nate.

Never said I am against an investigation, nor that I hate it. Care to try again? You're getting pretty good at failing to support any of your assertions. Provide ANY valid reason beyond what you "think" is possible for some evil entity to have pulled off behind a mysterious curtain.

It's a little place called America. Why?

@ Nate
because of your MICHIGAN mistake.................. not sure if you are in Wisconsin or not.

You're the one making allegations, Nate. Support them or continue to suffer from displaying your lack of intellectual honesty and integrity to everyone.

Why do you continue to lie? I've never stated or implied that I am against an investigation. Tell me why, beyond conspiracy theory and mere suspicion, that more of an investigation is necessary. Are the GAB results not enough? Why not?

That's because it's innappropriate to reveal personal information about other people online against their will. You already know that, that's why you're doing it, and it's a threat which will not work against me. Don't make the mistake of thinking you can intimidate me into silence, it won't work.

Yes, please check out my youtube channel. It will disgust you to see that I'm not sufficiently racist and fascist, and I'm all too glad that it does.

I think it's telling that you guys are so opposed to an investigation of this election, but you're all too eager to publish my personal details on a public website, a clear attempt to intimidate me, which won't work. You won't silence me, even by endangering me and my family by publishing my personal details for everyone to see.

Yes, it's total trash to you, a channel which opposes racism and fascism. I'm sure it makes your blood boil to see the pictures of arab children with heads intact.

@Diane

There is a video on youtube that cracked me up...it does have some swear words in it, so if that bothers you, please don't watch it. If that doesn't offend, it is called Judy's Last Surviving Neuron. OMG...it was F U N N Y!

I don't spend long hours taping lectures or blogging, what are you talking about? My videos are 10 minutes each, and taped occasionally, usually at night. But in fact, you've been here for quite a while and you've been investigating me in order to try to compromise my privacy, looks you've got some time on your hands.

Oh, my GOSH!!! Right there on the page! FOR ALL TO SEE!!! POSTED by the POSTER! Take it down, dullard, if you don't want it to be known.

I did not put my information on this page, you did, and you did it against my will. If I want to put information on some other website, that's MY BUSINESS and my choice. it's not up to you to investigate me and publish my information wherever you choose because you hate me because I don't agree with your political views.

Not going to either. The video I suggested wasn't his by the way...just a FUNNY lady with a funny brain.

You're the one blubbering, and invading my privacy, and spewing hate, because I demand an investigation after suspicious activity, so don't waste your time trying to intimidate me by invading my privacy, it won't work.

The process works. Nate should be satisfied and overjoyed in taking comfort that the canvassing process and subsequent additional verification verified the information.

Tell me why an investigation is warranted. Suspicion without evidence and credible accusations will never cut it. Justify the need and we can talk. Evidence and substantiated issues raised about irregularities would most certainly be required, and not just your guess. Until you support your call to action, the "argument" is that you haven't provided one, single, valid reason that any investigation beyond what has already taken place should be required.

No investigation would ever be started with such lack of anything to support it. You answered the question with an inadequate answer. Sad. Your choice, but sad. If you care to support yourself in the world of reality, then I'll gladly deal with other things and discuss this further.

Thus far, Nate, there is nothing to respond to because you haven't done the minimum in supporting yourself initially. And so far, there's nothing that I'm aware of, have seen or heard that says that more of an investigation should take place. Tell me what would justify more of an investigation. If you can, there will be something to discuss. You can try to reverse roles all you want, but that's also an invalid justification for the mistakes you're making.

No, Nate. You presented a hypothesis with a strawman argument. I don't respond to such vapid nonsense.

Care to deal with the real issue at hand? A mistake was made. A process known as canvassing is in place to help catch and correct such mistakes. The canvassing worked. The GAB came in after the fact and has also confirmed the validity of the votes. You've seen the numbers. You even know that all of the information was posted separately for the City of Brookfield on many websites. You know that the numbers were verified with the help of people of both parties, and some affiliated with no political party. Are you willing to concede that process worked and succeeded in its purpose is to help maintain the integrity of an election? If not then why not? What evidence do you have that would justify more of an investigation?

I don't want an investigation? Not true, Nate. Justify the need for an investigation. I deal in facts. If there is something to support an investigation... let's discuss that. I'm open to it if and when something supports the need.

Prove you wrong? I think you'd need to prove yourself correct before anything else. The onus is yours.

I think that you do know that the numbers are correct and you have no real doubts about them. You're not an idiot, even though you may play one on the internet. You don't actually lie to yourself, too, let alone believe such lies, do you? It is clear that you don't have one, single, tangible and verifiable piece of evidence or information that any credible person with power could or would use to initiate any more of an investigation than what the GAB has already concluded and you are merely basing your call for more of an investigation on your gut instead of using your head and intelligently analyzing all of the real and substantiated evidence that truly exists.

Justify the need for an investigation. Who is questioning the trust in the system? IT WORKED! The canvassing worked and did what it is intended to do. The integrity of the election has been maintained, and in a way improved due to the successful correction that the canvassing was able to do. You should be happy and comfortably able to trust the system.

We do actually trust our system. Please leave the WI system to the people of WI. I don't know who you actually work for Nate but it's not your million $$ being spent. Classic lefty. How many union employees should we lay off to pay for this expense? Again, why do you care about something that is occuring in WI? Not enough going on down there to keep your interest?

Nate... if there is justification for an investigation, I will support it. At this point there is nothing to support any such thing. You saying that I would hate one or don't want one is simply incorrect and an "either/or" argument. Based on all the information we have, I don't think there's a need for one. It's that simple.

You can try to infer something wrong, but so far you've done nothing that stands up to reasonable and logical analysis. Unless you want to be honest and demonstrate some degree of integrity (which you've claimed you believe is important) then we have nothing further to discuss. It's a shame you'd allow your political desires to cloud your judgement and honesty like this. If you have something that justifies the need for an investigation, provide it. If you don't then there is nothing to discuss, and looks like there never was.

Appreciate your putting words in my mouth Nate. Makes my life so much easier when people tell me what I'm thinking. But, yes, I guess I would put more trust in WI republicans than in some blogger out of state. Heck, I'd probably trust WI democrats more than you, Nate. You're obviously running off of someone's playbook.

In our system this is a state of WI issue not a national issue. So, while you're free to clog our discussion with your inane accusations you have zero bearing on how we run our state.

That is what I meant to say isn't it? Ohh, and what was I thinking I should have for lunch? Don't bother answering.....

You repeated your errors and supplied not one, single thing that anyone with any credibility could or would use to justify an investigation. Repeating an error over and over and over doesn't make it correct after any number of failed attempts.

And, as usual, you're wrong about what I think. All things considered, a mistake is a mistake no matter the political affiliation. It happens, and even more fortunately we have canvassing which worked and verified the information. I would be just as satisfied with the integrity of the election and trust for the system.

You repeated the errors of providing nothing beyond hyperbole and conspiracy theory. Garbage.

And I did effectively answer your question. With the information we have, the processes that are in place and that have succeeded in their purpose AND the confirmation by the GAB... I wouldn't be suspicious no matter what the party affiliation.

No, Nate. The things you mentioned are hyperbole, filled with black helicopter conspiracy theory "suspicions" and are irrelevant to the matter at hand. You can try to convince yourself you're correct, but it doesn't change the fact that you're not.

HA! You "care too much about democracy", by which you imply that anyone disagreeing with you must therefore hate democracy. NICE! I see we're done. I've got no use for someone who can't or refuses to use logic and honesty. Good day, sir.

This has nothing to do with who is in which party, Nate. This is a matter of did the process work. It did. Was there an error initially? Yes, partially. Was it caught? Yes. Was it corrected? Yes. Infer and suspect all you'd like, but you have provided nothing that actually calls into question the integrity of the votes and results. It's a shame you can be so incredibly delusional and purposefully ignorant. Ignorance is no badge of honor, my friend.

She made a mistake. It was corrected, and since been verified twice now. You continue to try and make something out of nothing more than your imagination.

Against my better judgement I have responded to you, but letting something so blatantly inane stand without calling it for what it is could be mistaken as you being correct, which you continue not to be.

Where did I say I have complete faith in anyone, Nate? Where? Tell me. Show me. Can't do it, right?

Where have I denied anyone the ability to conduct an investigation, Nate? Where? Tell me. Show me. Can't do it, right?

The numbers have been verified, twice, including one as a result of the investigation conducted by the GAB. There is nothing that indicates anything illegal or unethical. What is left to investigate, Nate? Tell us. Show us. Can't do it, right? Right? Right.

I won't have someone continue to lie and put words in my mouth to try (and fail) to score some political point. Unless or until you're willing and able to speak on the subject honestly and with any degree of integrity I've had enough of your fallacies.

Now you're accusing me of being a racist because I'm from mississippi? That's prejudice. You also accuse me of being antisemitic because I don't hate arabs and muslims? If I"m a racist, or an antisemite, then quote me saying something racist or antisemitic. So far I have just stated my opinion here, and I have received a lot of hate and bile in return, when it really wasn't necessary. All I want is for the election irregularities to be investigated. I'm not asking you to agree with me about politics or to give up your world view, hell, I don't even care if you hate arabs and muslims, that's not the issue here, but if you want to go to my youtube channel and actually listen to what I have to say then great. Go and listen, and if I'm saying something that isn't true then challenge me and let's have a real debate. Don't just slander me here because you know that people here don't agree with me and thus will agree with whatever bile you happen to spew about me.

Oh, and by the way, if you're actually trying to say that I'm a terrorist because I support the human rights of palestinians, then you're saying something which is overtly racist. Specifically you are equating palestinians with terrorism. Is that really what you think? Do you think that palestinian babies are born with suicide belts on? That would be just as racist as anything I've seen in the back woods of mississippi.

Ok, if I'm a racist, then prove it. Of course it's easy to mock me, any child with a keyboard can accuse people of things and mock them, that's called being childish. I'm not at all ashamed of my political views, I'm not ashamed that I supported Ron Paul during the last election, and I'm not ashamed that I am not an anti-arab racist. I think it's pretty obvious based on your statement that anyone who supports palestinians is a terrorist that you are a racist. Now, you make a similar argument about me. Quote me or construct a reasonable argument to explain why I am a racist, or if you can't do that, there's always mockery.

Don't need to prove it. Your utube rants do it all by themselves. My goodness your ignorance is entertaining, even for us cheeseheads way up north from your Mississippi bunker. I am just waiting for the fun when Lyle joins in. See how you hold up against a true Jewish scholar.

Please introduce me to Lyle, but preferably on youtube. If he wants to debate me here over the middle east they'll shut down this comment thread, they've already threatened to do that because people wanted to discuss my views on the middle east. I certainly hope you won't disappoint me, I can't wait to talk to him.

I never said I wanted white phosphorus to be dropped on israel. That's quite an over the top misrepresentation of my views.

However, israel did drop white phosphorus on gaza, and it seems you support israel pretty unconditionally.

That quote is taken out of context. I was actually making the argument that nobody complains about israel bombing gaza with white phosphorus, but they complain about the unguided missiles fired from within gaza, which is a double standard. I would never, NEVER advocate bombing civilians with white phosphorus, that's crazy talk. As for my plo scarf, it is a symbol of the arab people, not plo. Surely you recognize there's a difference between the arab race and the plo (which I don't support), right? As for my neutrality, no, I'm not neutral and would never want anyone to think I'm neutral. I support the victims. I am not neutral about the holocaust, I'm not neutral about the nackba, and when palestinians are shot dead at nonviolent protests, or when they're locked in a giant prison and bombed, or when their homes are demolished because of their race. I am not neutral and I'm proud of that fact. I don't remember my exact words regarding white phosphorus, but I know that you took them out of context, I will provide you with the context soon, just so there's no doubt.

But really quickly, before I post that full quote, let me ask you a serious question. Do you really believe, that during a video where I talk about how Martin Luther King was opposed to war, and objecting to the fact that people would use his name to support war, that I would advocate bombing civilians with illegal chemical weapons? Does that make any sense at all? Were you actually listening and paying attention to what I was trying to say, or were you just skimming through looking for a phrase you could take out of context to mislead people about me with? I seriously would like to know.

Could you please provide the complete comment? I have rewatched the video, and that quote was not in my video. I also looked at all of my comments and could not find that one. Are you sure you're referencing the right video? Here is the link to the video so that you can see for yourself:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YP7igR9MpYc

Please provide me with the full comment, or if this isn't the right video, please point me to the video where I made that comment, I have a lot of videos so I can't find it quickly.

Bewildered, are you going to provide a source for that quote that you attributed to me or not? That quote is not in the video "Support the Palestinians!", nor is it in the comments, as far as I can tell. I am not hiding my true beliefs, I believe that Palestinians are human beings and they should have human rights. I OPPOSE israel because israel is a racist, apartheid state, which is built upon the idea that jews and gentiles cannot live together in peace, and it depends upon the ethnic cleansing and victimization of non-jews, specifically arab muslims, for it's very existence. As Nelson Mandela said "we do not believe in white states, or black states, we believe in democratic states". I agree with mandela, I do not believe in jewish states, or islamic states, I believe in democratic states, and if you want to call me a racist because I believe in democracy and equal rights, you go right ahead. If you want to call me a racist because I don't HATE arabs and/or muslims and want them to be slaughtered, you go right ahead. I don't actually support the destruction of israel, I support the destruction of the apartheid regime that rules israel at the moment, in favor of a democratic and just government of the people, not of some specific subset of the people. Now, once again, you just quoted me saying something but your source is incorrect. Please provide me with the correct source, if you're not simply lying.

I see what you're talking about now, apparently you're not familiar with the term "sarcasm". I was actually saying that people approve of israel dropping white phosphorus on palestinians, then condemn palestinians for resisting israeli aggression in whatever way they can, including throwing rocks or firing largely ineffective home made rockets. That is a double standard. Let me just provide a link to my video so that everyone here can see exactly how dishonest you're being when you claim that I want white phosphorus to be dropped on civilians. Nothing could be further from the truth, as you well know. Here's the link, and I invite everyone to watch this video to see exactly how dishonest you are.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXp0nQ_1O1w

You're just being ridiculous now. You are actually lying if you claim that I want white phosphorus to be dropped on civilians, and actually you misquoted me, so you lied on that count too. Here's the actual quote, let's see if you can find a way to twist this around and call me an antisemite, I'm sure you can, but I'm not so sure you can do so in a way that isn't obviously dishonest for anyone with half a brain:

"Everyone seems to approve of the slaughter of civilians with tanks, and airplanes and aircraft carriers and 500 pound bombs and white phosphorus but no one approves of killing civilians with home made rockets with low yield explosives. The killing of 5 or 6 people with these homemade weapons is deplorable but the killing of 1300 or 1400 people with bombs and missiles and fighter jets is perfectly ok. I guess what that means is that palestinians have to obtain some f-16's and merkova tanks, maybe some white phosphorus artillary and then it'll be perfectly ok for them to attack israeli citizens, they just can't use rocks and home made grenades."

That's the quote which you use to claim that I am advocating dropping white phosphorus on civilians. What I'm actually doing, and I think this is painfully obvious, is highlighting the absurdity of condemning home made rockets, then turning around and cheering when white phosphorus is droped on schools and orphanages. Is getting upset over murdering orphans antisemitic in your book?

You're pretty angry, aren't you? Why? Because I don't agree with you that calling for equality between jews and non-jews is racist? You apparently just don't know the first thing about israel. It is a state which explicitly privileges jewish people at the expense of the native inhabitants of the land. It is a state with no constitution or bill of rights, where calling for equal rights for all citizens is viewed as a crime. You want to prove to me that israel is not a racist state? Go right ahead, make your argument.

Ignore him and he'll go away...I'm sure he's blogging all over the country right now (MS & TX for sure). Someone, somewhere else can read his upchuck.

HOW 'BOUT THEM PACKER?

Now, as for my statement that israel depends on the ethnic cleansing of arab muslims, let me explain. In 1947, approximately 66% of the inhabitants of palestine were arab or christian palestinians. Almost 1 million people. About 33% were european jews who immigrated as part of the first or second aliya. Now, as was obvious to the zionist leaders of the time, you can't have a "jewish state" in a land where 2/3's of the people aren't jewish. It won't work. Therefore, it was necessary for them to drive out the palestinians in a campaign called "plan dalet", this consisted of routine massacres, random violence, and terrorism which caused roughly 750,000 palestinians to flee their homes and become refugees. These refugees have never been allowed back to their homes, which are now mostly empty. Do you know why? Because you can't have a jewish state in a land where the majority is arab muslims. Now, I think I've made the case, if you still don't understand, I can certainly explain further.

I have never steered this conversation away from wisconsin, that was you and many other people here who see fit to spew hate at me for disagreeing with you, but you go even farther than that, you attempt to reveal my personal information online when it really isn't your place, you slander me in all sorts of despicable ways, and then you claim that I don't have a right to respond. You and others here have severely disgraced yourselves and shown how truly hateful and angry you are, and whether you like it or not, when someone speaks to or about me and slanders me, I will respond. When you change the subject, don't think that means I can't address what you're saying. I will.

And let me just add that most of your arguments to me have been nothing but petty ad hominem attacks, which were never warranted by anything which I said.

@ CT
any news from Miwaukee canvas yet?

Funny!

@ Bewildered
ditto! LOL
I would add blah blah blah : )

Is that it? Is that all you've got left? Well, the people here who hate me because they don't agree with my political views will lap up whatever you say and applaud, but you know what? You've been exposed. You're totally dishonest and we both know that, and anyone here with even a tiny bit of objectivity can see that you lied about me and actually made racist statements, such as when you said that I'm an antisemite, or a terrorist, if I support human rights for palestinians.

Don't make me laugh. I feel a little bit disgusted speaking to people of your caliber, but you can't hurt my feelings by lying about me, then getting exposed, then acting childish. You're just embarrassing yourself. :)

Bye bye, N8, Sorry you have been spending time with people like us who are not of your "caliber".

Return to your Mississippi bunker and keep pounding out those insightful blogs. The Grand Wizard is waiting with baited breath for your wisdom.

Have a nice life (look out for those evil Jews). Quack, quack!

No, bewildered, I don't believe you are of my caliber. You've been behaving in a very hateful and immoral manner here. You are prejudiced against me because of the state I was born in, you are prejudiced against palestinians and perhaps all arabs, and you lied about me and misrepresented my words in order to convince people that I am an antisemite, which could not be further from the truth. I hate antisemitism as much as I hate your prejudice against palestinians and mississippians. Furthermore, when confronted with the fact that your words were dishonest, you resort to petty, childish mockery and even repeatedly make animal noises in order to please anyone here who is just looking for an excuse, any excuse, to jump on the band wagon. It is truly shameful and embarrassing behavior and I am truly sickened, not just by you, but by the behavior of many people here. Shockingly immoral and uncalled for, but don't flatter yourself, your behavior does not reflect badly on me and I couldn't care less if that's how you want to behave. It's your problem.

Absolutely not, not in a million years.

Oconomowoc? Wausaukee? Kronenwetter?

Maybe Nate can't pronounce Waukesha, but I can. I grew up here, went to school here, and I still live here, with the property taxes killing me. Walker's new budget is doing nothing to help us other than forcing us to pay our own public workers less or cut services. He says he's giving us the 'tools', but I really have grown used to having my garbage picked up and my fires put out.

Yes, I was being sarcastic, when I made the comment which I posted here for everyone to see, I did not make the statement which you falsely attributed to me, saying that palestinians should attack israel with white phosphorus. Once again, I invite you to offer me an argument about why israel is not exactly as I have described it, please correct my description of the history of israel if I made any mistakes. I am quite proud to oppose israel because it is in fact a racist, apartheid state. Thank you for directing people to my youtube channel, if anyone wishes to learn about the middle east, they can go there and watch my videos, and if they disagree they can enter into debate with me. I promise that I will give them every bit of consideration and respect that they're willing to give to me. I do not hate people simply for disagreeing with me, nor do I insult or mock people or issue ad hominem attacks merely because they don't share my political views.

More animal noises, more mockery. I showed up here ready to engage in real debate, I found quite a few people who instead wished to shut down debate, issue ad hominem attacks, and spew the sort of bile which indicates a profound inner hatred for opposing views. You certainly don't have to respond to me, and you don't have to resort to childishness or ad hominem attacks, you don't have to attempt to intimidate me by publishing my personal information, you don't have to change the subject by attempting to demean my political views which have nothing whatsoever to do with the subject at hand, and you don't have to "waste money" on counting votes either if that sort of thing isn't important to you.

agree

thank you, Bewildered. I love it when someone agrees with me! It happens more often than not! : )

So, if the new budget bill can't be implemented at this time, will Governor Walker be starting the layoffs of the employees that he would have laid off BEFORE this giant fiasco started?

Nate, Walker can't lay off teachers. Teachers are hired by the school systems in the various local municipalities. What Walker CAN do (and has done) is to reduce state aid to education, requiring the school boards to cut somehow, either through layoffs of teachers or reductions in teacher compensation, or both.

The end to collective bargaining on working conditions can lead to larger class sizes (meaning teacher layoffs) and the laying off of teachers at the discretion of a principal rather than by seniority. This is where we're going to have a real problem with money versus quality in education.

I'm not really in Waukesha -- I'm in the Town of Brookfield. It's the Waukesha school district, though. My son went to South.

I'm all for public employees paying for part of their benefit package -- UNLESS they had already bargained for less hourly pay or base salary in return for the paid benefits. In that case, it's a little unfair to change the deal, don't you think?

Any fun plans? I'd like to head up to Madison for the rally, but my son ordered White Silkie Bantam chicken eggs on the internet the other day and they come on Saturday, so we have to be home to get them. We're going to try to incubate them and let them "free range"! Pets...not dinner, lol! They look pretty cool. Look them up on your computer...good for a giggle, especially some called "Showgirl".

You know that young teacher got a much better job in a different district. But seriously, if you were a principal faced with cutting some costs, which one would you lay off -- the young teacher or the older one whose salary was a lot higher? And will the welfare of the school and the students win out over "How much money can I save?"

@Diane

In the real world, just because you had a job last year doesn't mean you'll have one this year. Or your pension or you health insurance or anything.

@ Randy
your point is what?

I have NO pension or health insurance benefit with my employment. I am saving for my own retirement.

@Diane: So your answer to this is that none of us should have pensions or health coverage? How about jobs that pay enough for us to afford private health insurance and enough left over to fund IRAs?

So tell me, are you resenting your state income tax or your property tax? Because neither will decrease under Governor Walker's budget.

PS: I saved for my own retirement too. As much as I could.

Unless they made a deal trading wages for benefits.

Worker: I need $12 an hour to live.

Employer: I will give you $10 and pay $1 towards your heal;th insurance and $1 towards your pension. It's good for both of us.

Worker: Okay.

Two years later . . .

Employer: Greedy buzzards! they get their health and pension for free!

Diane, do you really think the unions cost you money and drive your wages down? I have never worked a union job.

@ Randy
for you too.................... appreciate what you have.

If you were born in 1949 that means we're the same age, give or take. The thing is, I'm old enough to remember when things were not quite so bad as they are now. I know that makes me sound like some geezer shaking his cane at the heavens, but I have a son and a grandson born last summer. It will be so much harder for them to make their way through a decent life.

I do appreciate what I have -- very much, but I see it slipping away.