You're an idiot

Ron, the gentle irony of the situation is appreciated by some. ; )

But the idiotic irony is not appreciated by those of us who think.

You are comparing WASTING hundreds of million of dollars on "high speed" train, that would reach a top speed of 65 mph, and get a ridership of maybe a dozen people a day, to a program that would help insure the survival of hundreds of farmers?

You need to get your priorities straight!!!

Anti, it's clear that the irony is missed by some. ; )

http://www.fsa.usda.gov/FSA/newsReleases?area=newsroom&subject=landing&topic=ner&newstype=newsrel&type=detail&item=nr_20120716_rel_0238.html

"USDA’s Farm Service Agency provides emergency loans through the Emergency Loan Program to help producers recover from production and physical losses due to natural disasters. Producers will be eligible for these loans as soon as their county is declared"
"a reduced interest rate for emergency loans that effectively lowers the current rate from 3.75 percent to 2.25 percent; and a payment reduction on Conservation Reserve Program (CRP) lands qualified for emergency haying and grazing in 2012, from 25 to 10 percent. "

It would indeed be ironic if these were two similar programs. They are not. It is like comparing national defense to the Alaskan bridge to nowhere!

I get the irony, the half-fast-train would have been a disaster too.

Whoa, Scott is willing to take Federal Money? Man; it must be killing him to have to admit the Federal Government can help the States. Why didn't he call the Koch Brothers for help? Oh that's right they just saved him from being recalled recall. Oops, can't go to that well to often. Well there is always Uncle Sam, he is a generous guy when it comes to the needs of his citizens. Should Uncle Sam ask for interest on the money. It's only fair, don't you think, the Gov, insults the crap out of you and now he wants you to give hm a handout. No way. Make it a loan.

You have no idea how this works do you?

It is a loan
It is direct to the farmer in need, not to the state
It does have interest
All is linked above.
These blue fisters are getting more and more retarded by the day

William, Who did " the Gov, insults the crap out of", and how?

Precisely!

But, if the "shrink the Federal Government" folks get their way there will be no emergency severe enough to be helped. Ah, I got it! The Koch Brother's Emergency Loan Service. A real money maker, with no restrictions on the interest rates. And, they can foreclose due to non payment. .

Steve (r): Dips**T it is still aid from the Federal; Government. That dreaded center of evil, dispensing tax payers money as they see fit. The farmers need help and they will get it from the Dreaded Federal Government, and not from the State of Wisconsin, which is going broke due to the diminished tax base, which is shrinking every day. This country does not have a deficit problem, it has a revenue problem. As long as the cuts to the budget are drawn along ideological lines you approve of all is just peachy, but it will get around to you sooner than you think. The what will you do, Ducky? How about his Gem of Union help: The Farm Service Agency (FSA) serves a vital role in delivering government services to rural America and can help prevent foreclosure for farmers. The agency is a prominent source of federal funding and assistance to American farmers. Established in 1902, the National Farmers Union has also been hard at work to keep American farmers flourishing amid financial struggles and disasters. Most recently,the union lobbied on behalf of the 2008 Farm Bill. Seeking financial help from the federal government is just one way to avoid farm foreclosure. HELP FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. Oh, my. Such Liberal thinking. How can that help?

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

@William Eib -

You honestly don't see the difference between a short term interest bearing loan from the public treasure, and a largely borrowed handout from the public treasure that will never be paid back and that the public will eventually have to pay interest on?

What debt? The state is finally running in the black.

If debt restructuring and added interest costs = running in the black, the sure.

Sigh.

Again Bren, you are confusing deficit with debt. A deficit is the amount of cash you run short on in your budget and end up having to borrow money or cut spending.

Debt is the accumulation of deficits you accumulate from year to year when politicians take the easy road and don't cut waste out of the budget!

You have to stop the deficit spending before you can work on the debt!

Anti, Walker restructured the debt. He definitely took the "easy road" so he could crow about "balancing the budget" during the recall campaign.

Again (rinse and repeat). Walker created his own ridiculous metrics (and during a recession too) and he and Wisconsin will be reminded of them at every opportunity so any mendacities and incompetencies are revealed. Not everyone falls asleep on command.

@Bren -

We've been over this issue a gazillion times now! Again, if you're going to keep on using that line, then please also provide for us what additional state employees you would have preferred been laid off and what additional budget cuts you would have preferred been made instead of doing what Walker did.

You mean in addition to the nearly 18,000 state employees who have been removed from the state payroll since Walker took office? And in this administration, egregious cuts were made and debt still had to be restructured to give Walker talking points during the recall election.

Tax cuts and legislation for friends is this governor's priority. That's how salary cuts for public employees go to fill the budget gap created by unfunded ALEC corporate tax cuts. Etc.

But as long as we focus on abstinence only in public high schools, and Georgia Pacific and Diane Hendricks get tax breaks who cares about balancing the budget, right?

Bren, those 18,000 retired. Which explains, in part, why we will have a budget surplus.

@Bren -

Dodge, dip, duck, dive, and dodge - that's the liberal way! In addition to shifting the subject.

"That's how salary cuts for public employees go to fill the budget gap created by unfunded ALEC corporate tax cuts."

You mean the same tax cuts that other states are offering to attract private sector business? And without similar incentives for private business, what kind of industrial/manufacturing firm, with good family sustaining jobs, would want to locate in Wisconsin as opposed to a state that offered such incentives? Walker wasn't the first to offer such breaks you know, thus he's forced to compete. Otherwise, we go back to losing industry/manufacturing, just like we did under Doyle. But that must be what you want.

"But as long as we focus on abstinence only in public high schools...."

Umm... yeah, way to misrepresent the issue here Bren! The legislation is that only abstinence is required by the state as a minimum, while local school districts are free to decide how much more about the subject they want to teach. The legislation did NOT mandate that only abstinence could be taught and nothing else. If you have a problem with individual districts that are choosing not to teach more than abstinence on the subject, then please name the districts you are taking issue with and why you disapprove of their program.

"... and Georgia Pacific and Diane Hendricks get tax breaks...."

Please cite your source.

Again, who else would you have laid off and what additional budget cuts would you have made? You never answered these questions. You do realize that, don't you?

Anti, those 18,000 represent straightforward retirements, "forced" retirements (e.g. people who wanted to continue working but faced possible layoffs so retired to avoid losing benefits), non re-hires of open positions, and a large number of actual layoffs (I know quite a few of these personally) which include jobs transferred from civil service to crony appointments. Let's keep it real.

Bren, you are so wrong it isn't even funny anymore.
First, Governor Walker's whole approach to Act 10 was based, in part, to avoid laying off workers. What good would it be to lay off government workers just to have them go on unemployment and Medicare/BadgerCare?

Second, there was no coercion. One of the retiree's last year in our school district was one of the worst teacher's my kids had to deal with. She just showed up to work, did the bare minimum, then went home. One she found out she might have to work for a living, she was gone. I suspect many of the others that retired were for the same reasons.

Third, how many of those "actual layoffs" were at the state level. I have a cousin and a friend that work in different state agencies, and both have told me that there were so many retiree's that bought the union line about Governor Walker taking away all their retirement benefits if they waited to retire.

Bottom line Bren, you are the one that need to keep it real!

Anti, where are your sources to explain the numbers on public employees in this state? I've posted my sources in past comments. I surmise that your mindset is fixed, and that you are unreceptive to any information that might interfere with your sense of "conservative" entitlement. That's how previous presentations of this information went right over your head and why you are asking for the same information now, which I suspect will have the same result, whiz right over your head. So tell me why I should bother.

OMG Bren, you really have lost it.
WHEN did I ask for your sources? and
WHEN did you provide any?

We both cited anecdotal evidence, you with your “large number of actual layoffs (I know quite a few of these personally)”, and my self with my two very reliable sources in State government.

Even at the height of the collective bargaining debate, when it looked like the fleeing 14 would not return in time to avoid layoffs, the WORST case scenario would have been 1,500 state workers laid off, not 18,000.
( http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/article_551d34c2-3e8f-11e0-8f91-001cc4c03286.html )
(this is what’s known as a source)

The proper form of the debate would be for you to provide a reputable source for the “18,000 laid-off workers”. So I am going to give you that chance. If you have indeed cited sources in the past to support your claim of 18,000 laid-off state employees, cite them again, right here, right below my post. I suspect I know the source of your claim, and I eagerly relish the opportunity to rip it apart.

Post your source, otherwise I will have to file your ludicrous claim with
Deficits=Debt and
Governor Walker had a top secret, hush-hush meeting with the Koch Brothers

They didn't get their Milw/Madision moderate speed train and parking's a bitch up there during protest season, so every time something like this comes up there's going to be some grumbling. When they don't get what they want, they're relentless. Heck, we still hear the occasional whine about the "Blue Shirt" fiasco at the airport that he vetoed when he was CE and that happened how long ago?

Mike, yes. It's pretty sick what the blue fisters will say just to spite Walker.

The anti-art, anti-social act of cancelling the Blue Shirt project was an early symptom of authoritarianism. Walker's need to be in charge cost Milwaukee County a small fortune. This was before his hijinks with county workers began.

A pattern which continues today.

I'm just glad that Walker took time off from his self-promotional activities to actually do something for Wisconsin (besides divide and conquer). Of course he'll probably get a photo op or two out of it, with Rebecca Kleefisch beaming with admiration nearby.

I wonder if she has done anything for that fat taxpayer salary recently? Her predecessor was a constant champion and state representative. What a shame to see that important position turned into a state salary and pension hemorrhage. Unless ALEC needs defending, of course.

Told you

Like clockwork.

My mind went numb after reading Bren's reply.

It's not patriotic to ignore what's going on in your state or country. Given the track record of this governor, close scrutiny must be given to every action.

You may react as you choose.

Figured it would have been either Bren or Schmitzy!

Thanks for not letting us down Bren!

I choose to react by saying, Bren I think you may need some professional help.

No, doufus, they are pointing out an irony, the Right hates the Federal Government , except when they need help. In the future, sought by you and yours, there will be no emergency relief funds. I assure you the Kochs will have an Emergency Loan Service available by that time, and they can charge what ever interest rate, thanks to the Right, they choose to charge, and they can foreclose on delinquent loans. That's the future you support of America. No handouts, every man for himself. F**k thy neighbor if he is in trouble, just another loser., anyway. Correct?

Will the Koch disaster relief loan Co., LLC be a legal monopoly?

If not i'm getting in. Interest rates will be lower than what they offer. Steve's Bush caused Katrina loan company, LLC

Greg, your comment about getting "professional help" is an offense to people with disabilities. The individuals I know who are affected by psychological and physical disabilities have more honor and decency than those who try to mock them. Frankly I think the ones who could use some help (sensitivity training) are the ones who make a mockery of professional health services or those in need. I have lost much respect for you this day, Greg.

Some of your professional help should contain reading comprehension, I didn't say anything about anyone but you. Have you read the rants you posted? You sound like a broken record. You despise Governor Walker so much that it is scary. There was no mockery in my post and if I lost your respect today, I feel bad, but I don't think I was far off base.

Greg, I have grave concerns about Scott Walker's motivations for office, and am not the only one following his antics, why isolate me?

Perhaps I "sound" (and I'm sure you didn't even realize the inappropriate use of this word in a narrative context) like a broken record. You "sound" ignorant, and to me that is far more embarrassing than alleged iteration.

You can't damn the Federal Government than go to them to help. Yes, the farmers are in need, but if the Right gets it's way, there will be no emergency funds in the future. What do you do then. Ah, yes. Ask the Kochs for a high interest loan, and the right to foreclose for non payment. There you go, a perfect Right Wing solution to all the problems of this silly experiment called Democracy. You took a wrong turn, my man, and your going to run out of gas, and there will be no gas stations around. You're F**ked, Ducky. And you did it to yourself. Now there's irony. If your dream comes true, the future will punish you for your foolish world view.

"but if the Right gets it's way, there will be no emergency funds in the future."

What proof of this do you have?

Who damned the federal government? The right supports a federal government just as much as the left does.

@William -

You've obviously swallowed all the lies that the left tells about the right hook, line, and sinker!

Try laying off the Daily Kos - it's really killing your brain worse than the abuse of illegal narcotics would!

I wonder if Alec is the name of Bren's ex.

Good thing Noah didn't build his ark during the Walker administration!

Is the federal government trying to float Wisconsin some money for Noah's, Milwaukee to Madison, High Speed Ark & Canal System.

The Lord speaks to Noah and says: "In one year, I am going to make it rain and cover the whole Earth with water until all is destroyed. But I want you to save the righteous people and two of every kind of living thing on the Earth. Therefore, I am commanding you to build an Ark."

In a flash of lightning, God delivered the specifications for an Ark.

Fearful and trembling, Noah took the plans and agreed to build the Ark.

"Remember," said the Lord, "You must complete the Ark and bring everything aboard in one year."

Exactly one year later, a fierce storm cloud formed and all the seas of the earth went into a tumult. The Lord saw Noah sitting in his front yard weeping.

"Noah." He shouted, "Where is the Ark?"

"Lord, please forgive me!" cried Noah. "I did my best but there were big problems. First, I had to get a permit for construction and your plans did not comply with the codes. I had to hire an engineering firm and redraw the plans.

Then I got into a fight with OSHA over whether or not the Ark needed a fire sprinkler system and floatation devices.

Then my neighbor objected, claiming I was violating zoning ordinances by building the Ark in my front yard, so I had to get a variance from the city planning commission.

I had problems getting enough wood for the Ark, because there was a ban on cutting trees to protect the Spotted Owl. I finally convinced the U.S. Forest Service that I needed the wood to save the owls.

However, the Fish and Wildlife Service won't let me catch any owls. So, no owls.

The carpenters formed a union and went out on strike. I had to negotiate a settlement with the National Labor Union. Now I have 16 carpenters on the Ark, but still no owls.

When I started rounding up the other animals, I got sued by an animal rights group. They objected to me only taking two of each kind aboard.

Just when I got the suit dismissed, the EPA notified me that I could not complete the Ark without filing an environmental impact statement on your proposed flood. They didn't take very kindly to the idea that they had no jurisdiction over the conduct of the Creator of the universe.

Then the Army Corps of Engineer demanded a map of the proposed new flood plain. I sent them a globe.

Right now, I am trying to resolve a complaint filed with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission that I am practicing discrimination by not taking godless, unbelieving people aboard!

The IRS has seized all my assets, claiming that I'm building the Ark in preparation to flee the country to avoid paying taxes.

I just got a notice from the State that I owe some kind of user tax and failed to register the Ark as a 'recreational water craft.'

Finally the ACLU got the courts to issue an injunction against further construction of the Ark, saying that since God is flooding the earth, it is a religious event and therefore unconstitutional.

I really don't think I can finish the Ark for another 5 or 6 years!" Noah wailed.

The sky began to clear, the sun began to shine and the seas began to calm. A rainbow arched across the sky.

Noah looked up hopefully. "You mean you are not going to destroy the Earth, Lord?"

"No," said the Lord sadly. "The government already has!"

Hope you enjoyed that Bren :-)

Awesome :)

Anti, it's droll, perhaps your story is intended with someone with a larger amygdala. ; )

Cow, do you honestly not see the irony?

Not at all.

There is no irony, that is why you blue fisters are so dumb. These are FSA loans direct to the farmer, the business that will be paid back while sustaining economic growth.

This isn't "free" money taken out of the economy borrowed with interest given from one branch of government to another put into a train that would be a constant deficit and not generate any revenue.

Walker declares xyz situation which allows for the citizen to do xyz with the programs set up.

There's no hypocrisy if you consider the context of his Twitter statement...

Sorry Cow, context has been thrown out the window. Just ask Mitt Romney! ; )

And you admit that publicly.

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Hmmm... well, the liberals never seem to get tired of patting each other on the back for all thinking alike over on the Daily Kos, do they?

Good points, Dave! I've always thought that being conservative meant helping when it was needed. Need is need.

Dave, please google the term loan

Dave it's certainly not expected that you, as a former teacher, be an expert on the topic of farming, but surely you should be able to tell the difference between an apple and an orange.

@Dave, @Bren, @Megan -

The big difference is that the farmers are doing their best to help themselves. Mother nature is thankfully outside the control of humans.

People who whine about being out of work but haven't applied for one these jobs yet - http://www.mcstate.com/careers/ - are a whole different ball game!

Or would you prefer for this to happen all over again:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozaj4qjdAZc

Megan, please google the term loan

We aren't. It's your side that seems to think that conservatives have done something wrong or are being hypocritical for not acting like the 'grim' stereotype you and your ilk have assign to us...

Have I, or any other of the 'normal' conservatives around here called out any leftist politician for not being a Godless, baby-killing, welfare queen?

Megan, I don't think anyone on the right is going to call you out as hypocritical if it turns out you're not a godless, baby-killing welfare-queen lover.

So the Governor was wrong for doing what he did?

Interest bearing loans that will be paid back to assist individuals trying their best to help themselves deal with a natural disaster beyond their control.

VS

Borrowed money that won't be paid back to build a train that we really don't need right now.

Yep, this is definitely an apples to apples comparison, isn't it?

Wall Street - All major banks repaid their tarp loans, with interest.

Car companies - Repaying some of their loans, but not all. An Obama crony deal with the UAW, Italians, and Canadians gone bad. He should have just made it a straight up interest bearing loan, just as Bush had set it up to be just before he left office, and just like Jimmy Carter did with Iacocca and Chrysler back in '79 that saw the government get ALL of its money back with interest and ahead of schedule. Thanks a lot Obama for the behind closed doors crony deal that will screw taxpayers.

Tammy Baldwin has been on the government dole forever, votes for lots of wasteful crony spending on crap like Solyndra, and uses influence to push for special interest causes, such as those who are funding her current campaign.

Hovde's business entity, managed by others, took the government money to not grow tobacco without Hovde's personal knowledge. Once Hovde discovered that this was going on, Hovde returned the money to the government. Where's the issue?

Hovde didn't mislabel any of his property as farm land - there was a dispute as to whether or not land he owns and leases to farmers for farming activities was rightfully labeled as agricultural or commercial. In a majority of the state, such an arrangement would be classified as agricultural, but in Dane County, they consider such an arrangement to be commercial and tax it accordingly. Hovde amicably settled the dispute with the County. Again, where's the issue?

But please, spin away David, spin away!

David, please google the term loan

I think your pi**ing in the wind trying to make sense to these people. They have such a strong imposed view of things. They made a wrong turn somewhere in life and argue until they are blue in the face denying they are lost. They refuse to pullover and ask for directions; and if they do, they don;t follow them. They prefer being lost, it makes them happy.

Listen to Eib, he knows it all. His opinion is correct. And he'll tell you so.

William, Why is is that you think the right should always compromise their position on issues? The Republicans have a jobs bill that was shut down by the Democrats, why don't the Democrats want to put the middle class back to work? How about that federal budget, who needs one just keep spending trillions of tiny tax dollars. Ramp up that deficit.
Why is there a billion dollars trying to keep Obama in power? What do they want? What? Oh, maybe a few more Solyndra deals or Fisker deals, a few billion more in outsourced green jobs, millions more in the UAW coffers. What do Kaiser and Soros want?
The money coming from Adelson is from Chinese prostitutes, get with the party line. But I do like the story that the commies send people to lose money, in a casino, to fund the GOP. Adelson is worth over $22 billion, the money that he gives to the GOP is couch change. I understand that he is saving the Chinese casino money to buy a Fisker Karma for each of the prostitutes.
If any Republican does the kind of donor payback that the Democrats have, I will demand they be removed from office.

William, You see Koch ghosts, I see Wisconsin doing much better than the states controlled by the left. I see the lefties in the federal government, Obama and the legislature, proposing similar legislation as was used by our good Governor, did the left visit ALEC too?

@William -

Please get some help before it's too late!

William, Since you are all knowing, a history major and all, let me help you out here. The Kohls tax credit is a possible $62.5 million, not 65.5. I know $3 million is nothing to a liberal, but it is a lot to a conservative. As for "he had to pay a f**king company to stay", wrong again. The company, which has about 4,900 employees at its corporate locations around the area, has said it will add up to 3,000 jobs over the next 12 years in southeastern Wisconsin and spend $250 million in facility improvements. The amount of the tax credit is contingent on how close it comes to meeting those targets. So Governor Walker gave them tax credits for if and when they expand. If it does keep the company here, GREAT.
I see the Koch ghosts appear in this fairy tale of yours too. One fake phone call and you have Koch connected to the Kohls deal, you have sh*t for brains.

William, There are jobs. There is a lack of qualified employees and people willing to work. The left has done well in making not working a better deal than working. Not every job will support a family of 4, like the left insists. Putting part A in slot B has a specific value, if the left and the unions want more to do it, it will be done elsewhere. It's not that complicated. Obama and the Democrats only want government sector jobs, we hear it every week. So cut the BS about a jobs bill.

William, Please provide details of anytime Governor Walker and the Koch brothers have met. Before, during or since the recall election. It should be easy with all of the connections you seem to know about. I know I could make a list for Obama and Kaiser. Either Koch brother will be fine, any type of meeting is OK.

A little of that truth would have helped here: "The Collective bargaining and Voter ID, are ALEC generated bills"
ALEC does not generate bills, that is the job of our legislature. ALEC is a legislative exchange, hence the LE in it's name. ALEC just provides templates. Our elected officials decide what is presented and voted into law. Collective bargaining is a great example, the people of Wisconsin wanted the changes and that was proven with an $18 million election, that you lost big time. So quit crying and be careful, when you say "sleaze ball gangster" most people think of Chicago style politics.

Greg, Scott Walker was a legislative member of ALEC. You may know there are two divisions of membership, legislative and corporate. Koch Industries is a corporate member/donor. That will explain how the two were brought together. ALEC writes the cookie-cutter legislation presented to the legislative members for approval, finally approved by the corporate members. The legislative members then "make it their own" by presenting it on their own letterhead (except for those like the bright star of FL who turned in the actual template on ALEC letterhead). The perfect place for a minor legislator like Scott Walker to garner the attention of billionaires in need of fatuous opportunists.

Are there any other corporate members of ALEC, or just Koch Industries? Other than the Koch brothers donating to the Governor's campaign, can you provide any actual connection or deals between Governor Walker and Koch? Do you really think that Democrats never use legislative templates?
You keep throwing this crap out there, now back it up.

Help me out on this one Willy were is Doyle? Is he a sleaze ball too

Greg, I can't verify a personal meeting between Scott Walker and the Koch brothers. But their investment in his election and in the recall election are enormous and trackable (direct and laundered through the Republican Governor's Association, Americans for Prosperity, et al. You could also count donations from attendees of the Koch brother's numerous summits, which includes Diane "Work on those Unions" Hendricks, etc. I and others have presented this evidence repeatedly and it was ignored. I'm no longer willing to waste my time researching for people who are going to ignore the information anyway. Get off your duff and look it up yourself.

Bren, I did research it, and that's why I call your claims a big nothing. The Democrat candidates have similar funding through PACs, unions and businesses, that they in turn favor. Our government is a two head coin, in these matters, no matter how many times you try to flip it, you end up with the same system, staring you in the face.
Bren, If you have had enough, that is fine. William and I were doing just fine with our righty-lefty conversation without you. Just because you say something a thousand times does not make it true.

Oh, was Democratic funding part of the specific turn of discourse or the Koch/Walker connection. (Tangent) Where are your research links (from reputable sources)? And I see you are equally disrespectful to William Eib; since he is courteous I appreciate why you are satisfied with the status quo. I'm sure you would like me to leave the discussion (and anyone else who disagrees with the right-wing fringe). All the more reason to stay and keep waving "figuratively speaking" those pesky facts.

@Bren -

Speaking of facts, I'm still waiting for you to provide those citations concerning the Ryan Path/budget.

I'm also still waiting for your citations to the tax breaks you've asserted Georgia Pacific and Diane Hendricks received outside the new job creation tax break program from the Walker administration.

As you always research the 'facts' before perpetuating them, I'm wondering why it's taking you so long to provide the pertinent citations, as you obviously must have visited such websites in the past, right?

I think that ALEC's main focus was state legislators, since it's inception, but who cares. Everything that you claim ALEC does is also done on the left, coordinated by the all powerful and wealthy unions. Progressive States Networks has templates and retreats for the lefties. It even has some of our very own on its board. I think Coggs is an officer, maybe their poster boy.

Billy is just trying to impress Bren.

Welcome to a genuinely ignorant comment. Thanks for sharing, greg.

Things change.
Stop insulting Satan.

That is well stated. Now if we could only get the GOP to hang up their Inauguration Day 2009 plan. You know the secret meeting of GOPers, Teahadists and Newt Gingrich, their plan was to obstruct every bill presented to them from Obama. That's a broken tool. Here is an example re: The small-business aid bill.
Republicans refused to let the measure reach a final vote, saying that Democrats were playing politics and shutting them out from offering amendments, despite the fact that several GOP-authored provisions are already in the bill. Republicans also objected to $1.5 billion in aid to farmers. Democrats dropped that provision at the last minute, but Republicans were unswayed. I see here, an obstructionist move based on a weak argument. The DEMs drop the farm aid, still no deal. This is not a good use of one of the tools as you suggest.

William, Most everything you said is spot on, I think the Godfather thing is stupid, but we'll go with it. Its politics, the left does the same thing. You have come up with ZERO, ZIP proof of any wrong doing. Because you do not like the Walker reforms, does not make them wrong. And like I said above, the recall election should have proven the contrary.

So you do or do not support the Democrats in their efforts, to pass a bill, that gives this same type of incentives to business? I think Herb Kohl just had a blog on the subject.
Hey there's that Koch ghost again.

Is Scranton, PA in Wisconsin? Then who the F cares? What Governor Walker did for Wisconsin makes most other states look like Scranton's sewer.
Hey William, The Democrat's uber rich pals made out pretty good too. And they still are.

If he is "the perp" I would have already had to of proven his guilt.
Is this the type of template that you villify? http://www.progressivestates.org/sync/pdfs/EDR%20model%20legislation%20revised%204-09.pdf
I really don't care where a legislator gets verbage, they are completely responsible for what they present. With the exception of the ACA, "we'll find out what is in that after we pass it". Now there is some good government.

"Do you think a minimum wage job should be counted as a job?"
Is your last name Eib or Clinton? Derrr, I guess that would depend on the definition of the word "a".

No AFL-CIO, AFSCME, SEIU, IBEW, UAW, Teamsters, Etc...?
Hey Sherlock, I know who supports the Right and I know who supports the left. Having support is all part of the system, get over it already.

Was it ALECs agenda or the improperly handled Travon Martin case? That case may be the biggest witch hunt of this decade.

How are the Pelosi tax returns coming? Talk about sleazy.
Tax returns are nothing more than the 2012 version of the Democrats 2004 military service issue. Democrats never can run on THEIR record.

I hope you can see the difference between Greg and greg, I only take claim to the Greg comments.

I will, at this point, point out that you know nothing about the right side of the social argument. You want everyone to live happily in poverty. I want them out of poverty. You hippies are killing the poor with your compassion. Your awareness is contrary to your actions.

"Greg: The recall election proved elections can be bought. Governments can be bought. Influence can be bought. Legislation can be bought.. Social views can be bought. Ideology can be imposed on an unsuspecting public."

I'll take Obama for a $200 donation Alex.

I thought the recall election proved how easy it is to lose an election by being too cheap to support your candidate. I supported Governor Walker with my money and my votes. Hey look, here's my $62.5 million check, awesome.