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GAB: Statewide Recall Election Could Cost $9 Million, Up to $20 Million

All 72 counties responded to a survey that helped the Government Accountability Board compile its numbers.

 

A recall election for Gov. Scott Walker would cost just more than $9 million without a primary and $17 million with a primary, according to numbers released Friday.

The Government Accountability Board reached those estimates after receiving information from the state's 72 counties. The work was done after Rep. Robin Vos (R-Rochester) made a request for the information.

"The costs are significant," said Vos. "We asked for these figures, hoping that if people knew the cost, they would think twice."

After learning the recall elections in summer 2011 cost over $2 million, Vos wanted to know what a statewide recall would run. In a letter to the GAB back in October, Vos asked for an estimate, saying he wanted voters informed before petitions were circulated for Governor Scott Walker and other elected officials.

"I believe that Wisconsin taxpayers should know the estimated cost of running a statewide election before petitions are circulated. Taxpayers need this cost estimate so they can make a better informed decision as to how their tax dollars should be spent. This is essential information because the recall election costs will have a direct impact on all county and local government budgets," he wrote.

On Jan. 6, the GAB returned a letter to Vos explaining how they compiled their figures. In a nutshell, the agency asked counties and municipalities to fill out a survey with estimates based on the November 2010 and April 2011 election costs. The numbers were broken down into county, municipality and GAB costs:

  • Counties: $2,348,423.98
  • Municipalities: $5,821,898.20
  • GAB: $841,349
  • Total: $9,011,762.18

But Vos said that doesn't tell the whole story since this figure is for one statewide election. The $9 million price tag does not include a possible primary.

"There is every indication the Democrats could have more than one candidate, plus you have to consider the potential of state senate recalls," he said. "So, really, $9 million could just be the beginning, we could be talking as much as $20 million."

Because the costs associated with any additional elections beyond the spring and fall elections are not budgeted, counties and municipalities may have to cut needed services to pay for it all.

"Each election costs us from $100,000 to $200,000," said Racine County Executive Jim Ladwig. "Now, we do share some of that with the municipalities, but we aren't going to run a deficit so we'll have to get creative."

The Government Accountability Board in November 2011 estimated a cost to its agency of about $700,000, but has since revised that number to $841,349. The increase is because of a ruling on Jan. 5 by a Waukesha County judge that it is the GAB's responsibility to verify signatures. An extra $100,000 may be needed to pay for software and another $8,650 for an off-site facility.

But Vos said even that number isn't concrete.

"There might be some extra money needed for staff or equipment," he said. "And if they come to us at the Finance Committee and ask for the funds, I'm going to say 'yes' because I want to help make sure there's as fair a process as possible."

The committee, he explained, has a contingency fund, but,again, he stressed, that means cutting from somewhere else.

"That money could be used for other initiatives like job creation, but we'll have to spend it instead on these frivolous recall elections," Vos stated.

Graeme Zielinski, communications director for the Democratic Party of Wisconsin, responded.

"The cost of doing nothing is far greater. $133 million is the increase in fees that Scott Walker has created; $70 million is amount of taxes he's raised on seniors and working poor; $2.3 billion is the hole he blew in our budget to give tax breaks to corporations," he said. "Rep. Vos didn't have a problem with costs when Walker's political machine tried to recall Gov. Doyle. There is no one who has taken money from the municipalities more than Scott Walker himself to pay for tax cuts for the super rich, and there is always the $2.6 billion cut from education that can't be forgotten."

Potential timelines, according to Racine County Clerk Wendy Christiansen, would put the earliest elections in late May or early June.

"The GAB will keep us informed, but barring any legal challenges, we expect elections late this spring or early this summer," she said.

Vos charges recall organizers with costing taxpayers the maximum amount of money because they waited so long to file their initial petitions.

"No one looked at the calendar and thought about trying to line things up with scheduled elections to save money," he said.

But Zielinski disputes this.

"The big lie is that they control the timeline with challenges, and that means delays. We're going to have a number that is beyond any logical or reasonable challenge," he said. "If they care about the taxpayers, drop any challenges and let the process proceed. Time is the only thing that Walker has because if the election were held today, Walker and (Rebecca) Kleefisch would be collecting their unemployment checks."

Vos is almost certain there will be a primary in a gubernatorial recall election, and Zielinski didn't disagree, but he wouldn't name any names on potential candidates.

"We have a strong bench of candidates, and the people will decide through the primary process," he said.

Related Topics: Government Accountability Board, Governor Scott Walker, Lt. Governor Rebecca Kleefisch, Robin Vos, and Wisconsin Recall

Bren

5:49 pm on Friday, January 6, 2012

Good! As a taxpayer I believe the recall is an investment in democracy that will also save our state a lot more money later. I'd much rather pay for this than to give a Walker crony a tax cut.

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James Loughran

6:07 pm on Friday, January 6, 2012

Regressive Republicans are always a disaster. If no one had voted Republican tryllions of dollars and millions of lives would have been saved.

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Debra Dallaz

10:04 pm on Tuesday, January 17, 2012

so if the thieves I mean unions lose,do we get to increase thier contributions to pay us back?

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Debra Dallaz

10:07 pm on Tuesday, January 17, 2012

and if its a bad one you will pay me back right?

Grant Devereaux

6:18 pm on Friday, January 6, 2012

Getting rid of Scott Walker is priceless. 20 million would be cheap.

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SD

10:55 am on Friday, January 13, 2012

Atleast this $ will not be given to the 1%. It is actually being spent on the 99%.
If Walker was upfront with Wisconsin during his campaign the state would be saving this money.

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C. Sanders

11:47 am on Friday, January 13, 2012

Just another way for Dems to waste money that doesn't belong to them.

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Randy1949

12:22 pm on Friday, January 13, 2012

Wow. You speak as if Democrats don't pay taxes too.

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Craig

1:02 pm on Friday, January 13, 2012

Randy: I am sure you do not mind having your taxes go up every year, you likely make a good living. Tell ya what, you like the share the wealth mentality so much:
I have been out of work on medical leave with no income. How about you give me half of your earnings last year so we can both be equal?

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James Loughran

5:30 pm on Friday, January 13, 2012

Step outside your prejudice for a moment and think: Like the two great Republican depressions, This is another regressive Republican stinking mess that the Democrats are forced to clean up.

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SD

3:45 pm on Saturday, January 14, 2012

@Craig, sorry to here that you have been out of work and on medical leave. Nobody deserves that. But who fought for disability and medical leave. UNIONS. Now we remove the union, you will see diability and medical leave disappear. As far as the taxes that you say are wasted, lets remove all taxes. Every neighborhood will be responsible for your own road, water, sewer, police, fire fighters, you are also resposible for healthcare for the elderly. Do you have children you will need to pay tuition and drive them there etc.....

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Craig

6:44 pm on Saturday, January 14, 2012

SD: Thanks. Unfortunately there isn't much I can do about it, so acceptance is the only option. I was self employed, so no benefits or assistance.
I am not against all taxes entirely, but I am for fiscal responsibility. This includes improving the process to cut costs that are flagarent problems, elimination of waste and of course fraud. Government taxes often are a result of nickle and dime additions- which add up to mega bucks after years of spending.
You mentioned paying tuition for education: I am not opposed to paying for that, it would save seniors a lot of money if we payed for our own kids' education in public schools. My community spends $15,000 per public school pupil. My kid goes to UW-Madison, and the tuition there is about $12,000. Why the difference, and how can UW be less costly? The answer is if we put the burden on the taxpayor, all the nickle and dimes add up- and nobody uses common decency when adding costs at another person's expense.
Obviously my finaces are tight, but so are many others who are suffering due to the economy. Pissing away taxpayor money just adds insult to injury.

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Randy1949

7:45 pm on Saturday, January 14, 2012

@Craig -- You mention tuition for public schools and how your district spends $15K per child. That's on average. There are some children with special requirements whose education is far more costly. I've heard stories of profoundly disabled students whose education costs $100K per year. The UW offers a one size fits all education, which is how is can do it for less.

The other thing is, imagine a low-income family with two children. That would be $30K per year, more than their entire yearly income most likely.

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jt

4:20 pm on Tuesday, January 17, 2012

1 million signed the recall, i think we all pay a lot more then $20 in taxes! so, it's our money, quit your crying!

Bob McBride

12:22 pm on Friday, January 13, 2012

No amount of taxpayer money is too much to spend in order to satiate the rage of sore losers. They must have their way.

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Bob McBride

6:30 am on Saturday, January 14, 2012

Not from the taxpayer, thankfully. And while I understand that you think he should just bend over and present himself so that you and the rest of the malcontents on the left can have your way with him on the taxpayer's dime, that's an unreal expectation.

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SD

3:49 pm on Saturday, January 14, 2012

Bob the money would not be needed if Walker did not hide his agenda during his campaign. The state would not be in the division we are in. How can anybody be a sore loser when they are not given the truth? Every day more and more is revealed about Walker. It is like pealing back a onion, nothing but the same.

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Bob McBride

9:00 pm on Saturday, January 14, 2012

Nonsense, SD. This entire mess is on the sore losers, period.

Thurston Howell III

1:01 pm on Friday, January 13, 2012

Whatever the cost, it's worth it to return to Wisconsin's Tradition that values education over profiteering and honest and open government over cheating, lying and weaseling of the Walker administration!

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Thurston Howell III

1:34 pm on Friday, January 13, 2012

Here's a little message from Princeton University about the kind of "debate" you on the right here engage in: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gXIfg4FujHA#!

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Debra Dallaz

10:05 pm on Tuesday, January 17, 2012

thurston have you had your head up your sphincter?

Celeste Koeberl

11:35 pm on Friday, January 13, 2012

Before proposing changes to citizens' rights to recall elected state officials under the Wisconsin Constitution, one should bother to become familiar with the origins and purpose of this Constitutional provision.

Excellent overviews of these topics by Marquette University of Law faculty are:

"The Original Intent of the Recall Power" at http://law.marquette.edu/facultyblog/2011/11/13/the-original-intent-of-the-recall-power/

"The Constitutional Right of Recall" at
http://law.marquette.edu/facultyblog/2011/11/13/the-original-intent-of-the-recall-power/

"Charters, Compacts, and Tea Parties: The Decline and Resurrection of a Delegation View of the Constitution", at http://lawreview.law.wfu.edu/files/2011/01/w05_Fallone.pdf

"The key to understanding the proper scope of the recall power is the basic conception of 'the sovereignty of the people.'"
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"conceptions of limited government in America rest on the idea that the people are the ultimate sovereign and that government only possesses the power that are delegated to it by the people."
. . .
"Central to this idea of delegated authority is the principle that elected representatives must act in accord with the wishes of the public, and that the failure to do so is in and of itself sufficient grounds for that representative to be recalled before the end of their term in office."

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Bob McBride

7:03 am on Saturday, January 14, 2012

Regardless of it's origins, it's currently being abused for political gain by the Democrats and, if done so successfully, will continue to be used in that fashion. It needs to be modified so it no longer can be used that way. This recall is unnecessary, there's absolutely nothing that Walker and the Republicans have done or will do that couldn't be reversed as a result of the next regularly scheduled election that's going to do irreparable harm to this state. Trumped up "sky-is-falling" rhetoric and speculation about what's going to happen does not equal proof of an abuse of power.

You abuse a privilege such as this to the detriment of the whole, you lose it for that same whole, in addition to costing that whole a boatload of time and expense to satiate your own inability to deal with a loss. Shameful.

Thurston Howell III

5:53 am on Saturday, January 14, 2012

Celeste Koeberl, These look like scholarly reviews providing additional information to encourage honest debate. What are you thinking?

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Thurston Howell III

6:05 am on Saturday, January 14, 2012

If Unions are spending all this money to recall Walker, Why are Walker ads dominating the air waves in Wisconsin? Dah! How do you spell Koch?
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/136108188.html

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Debra Dallaz

10:06 pm on Tuesday, January 17, 2012

because we do get to fight back I know your not used to that ,but the 85% did vote

Celeste Koeberl

1:48 pm on Saturday, January 14, 2012

The origin of the WI right to recall shows it's being used exactly as intended ("The Original Intent of the Recall Power", above):

"Supporters of the recall power argued that its foundation lay in the sovereign power of the people. They assumed that the role of the elected official was the role of a delegate, whose duty was to give effect to the opinion of his district and not to exercise his own judgment. Far from being radical, supporters thought that the recall was necessary in order to 'restore popular government to the people by destroying the control of private influences over legislative bodies' . . . Political history in our country has always recognized the primacy of the sovereign people, but what had changed in the opinion of the Progressives was the growth of corporations and special interests that had captured the legislature.

Opponents of the Recall Movement resisted state constitutional amendments on the grounds that the recall power would lead to political instability. They charged that constant recall elections would lead to a form of 'perpetual warfare' between political parties. They also charged that recall supporters were socialists who were engaged in class warfare against the educated, property-holding portion of the population. . . In Wisconsin, as well as in many other states, the voters rejected these arguments in opposition to the recall power and proceeded to make the right of recall a part of the fundamental law of the state."

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Bob McBride

9:08 pm on Saturday, January 14, 2012

Nonsense. It wasn't intended to be used as a cudgel by a batch of sore losers. Which is exactly how it's being used this time around. I'll say it again. Trumped up baloney and wild speculation are not legitimate reasons for a recall. Any law in place that allows for its usage in such a fashion needs to be changed when parties can no longer be relied upon to use it in a responsible fashion. The Democrats have shown not only that they can't be relied upon in that regard, but that they're willing to abuse the privilege across the board to target any Republican they deem vulnerable. If successful in this regard, they will continue to use it in the same fashion. The law needs to be changed at the soonest possible opportunity.

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Say What?

4:57 pm on Tuesday, January 17, 2012

So bob, would you say the impeachment process was used against Bill Clinton by a bunch of sore losers?

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Craig

5:04 pm on Tuesday, January 17, 2012

SayWhat: Clinton was different- he LIED UNDER OATH. What Monica Lewinsky did to him, was what you are doing for the Union Thugs.
Brush your teeth as often as you signed.

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Say What?

6:57 pm on Tuesday, January 17, 2012

Yeah, I know, he lied about getting some a$$ from someone that wasn't his wife. I don't know anyone of the republican candidates that would do that. And, if you are saying I am blowing the union, and I am the union, I just got a new hobby! Dont worry, no need to brush, I just had me in my mouth.

jt

6:15 pm on Saturday, January 14, 2012

cost of recall, 9-20 million, getting rid of a very corrupt governor, PRICELESS!
if you can't see past the lies in this governors adds you must be blind or ignorant.
where are the 250,000 jobs?

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Debra Dallaz

10:07 pm on Tuesday, January 17, 2012

so if you losse you will increase contributions to pay us your bosses back?

jt

6:21 pm on Saturday, January 14, 2012

before he became governor, the state had a deficit. but, did we all feel it? no! are we now irrepairably divided? yes! a state divided will not stand! he needs to go now!

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mau

4:13 pm on Tuesday, January 17, 2012

Good grief, for all the the hand wringing and wailing from the left, you would think we were on the Costa Concordia.

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jt

4:23 pm on Tuesday, January 17, 2012

this coming from a guy with the same name as a famous communist!

jt

4:25 pm on Tuesday, January 17, 2012

1,ooo,ooo signatures say that there are a lot of of that want this governor gone asap!
that's not whinning, that's activism!

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Craig

8:48 pm on Tuesday, January 17, 2012

1 million signatures (unverified)
Discount those written in crayon, signed by Jane Fonda, and signed by the dead and you have squat.

Craig

4:46 pm on Tuesday, January 17, 2012

More than a Million voted for Walker- so what is your point?
The 1 million is a ficticuous number- the real number has not been released yet. But let's assume for a minute it IS a million. How many are REAL? How many will vote? I know those in support will be there at the polls. Hopefully Walker prevails and can cut cut cut some more to offset this waste of OUR money.

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jt

5:38 pm on Tuesday, January 17, 2012

sorry, but the 1 million is quite real my freind! your in denial.

jt

5:39 pm on Tuesday, January 17, 2012

if walker and his corperate backers would have used the money that he's using for re election to pay off the defificit, there wouldn't be a recall! but that wouldn't forward his real agenda would it!

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Ima Hippee

7:10 pm on Tuesday, January 17, 2012

john, first of all - activate spell check on your computer. Secondly, your illogical circular arguments are childish. Third, Walker should not have changed CB and just fired, er, er, furloughed whatever amount we needed to balance dolt Doyle's massive deficit. But then, you would be okay with all the lay offs, depending where on the seniority list you rank. So much for brotherhood and solidarity. That only gets you so far.

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jt

7:23 pm on Tuesday, January 17, 2012

@ima hippee, hey hippee why don't you stick to what you know best, smoking pot, hitch hiking and eating oreos! that disease you caught during all the free love ns is effecting your thought process!

jt

5:41 pm on Tuesday, January 17, 2012

if your so worried about our tax money, why aren't you upset that walker is suing the gab to use state money for the signature verification instead of his own? he caused this mess!

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Bob McBride

6:04 pm on Tuesday, January 17, 2012

Shouldn't be out screwing the taxpayer out of time and a half while sawing logs in your plow?

jt

6:45 pm on Tuesday, January 17, 2012

sorry boob, but no such waist where i work. we are effecient and the job is already well done! mainstreets and backstreets cleaned curb to curb! if your town operates differently, that's not my fault. try to insult someone else.

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Bob McBride

6:52 pm on Tuesday, January 17, 2012

I was down in Sturtevant today. Roads looked like crap. That's not your area, is it, john?

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jt

11:53 pm on Tuesday, January 17, 2012

@bob, don't see how you found the time to be in sturtevant when you live in whitefish bay and your profile shows that you've been on patch spewing misinformation nonstop since 630 am this morning! unless you were texting while driving, in which case you should be fined. find something better to do with your time! you must be a very lonely man.

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Bob McBride

6:36 am on Wednesday, January 18, 2012

Well somehow I managed to find the time, john. As I said, feel free not to believe me if you like.

I see you've already changed your user name here. I suppose that's because I'm lying, right?

How far do you want to push this, john? I'm my own boss, but I bet you have one...

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jt

5:25 pm on Wednesday, January 18, 2012

so is that a threat bob? remember, you are the one that started this by insulting me.
i do my job bob, i don't screw the taxpayers. i will be copying all of this and if it continues, i will take appropriet measures.

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Bob McBride

5:32 pm on Wednesday, January 18, 2012

Be my guest, john. Take "appropriate measures".

jt

7:10 pm on Tuesday, January 17, 2012

boob, roads looked like crap everywhere today. why don't you come back through now?
sorry your so miserable bob, but your always going to be an ahole, you just can't help yourself!

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Bob McBride

7:38 pm on Tuesday, January 17, 2012

So that is your stretch? Mentioned it to the guy I was calling on down there. He said it's always pretty much that way. I guess, if nothing else, the locals are at least used to the level of service you're providing. Lucky for you.

jt

8:02 pm on Tuesday, January 17, 2012

so bob, what highway were you traveling? just curious.

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Bob McBride

8:14 pm on Tuesday, January 17, 2012

Came in on 11 off the freeway, shot up 90th. Couple of side roads off of that. That your handiwork, john?

jt

8:24 pm on Tuesday, January 17, 2012

wow bob! now i know your just grasping at straws! you can't even say what the side roads were! good try bob. better luck next time! get a more detailed map next time!
so who was the guy you were calling on?

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Bob McBride

8:29 pm on Tuesday, January 17, 2012

john, I'm purposely not telling what side roads I was on, for the same reason I'm not mentioning who I called on. I don't need you showing up at his place leaning on him.

You don't believe me, no skin off my back. I've now seen the work you're always bragging about. Not so good, john.

jt

8:37 pm on Tuesday, January 17, 2012

you won't say because your full of crap bob. just another right wing bs er.
so, what do you o for a living bob? or must you remain secretive about that too?

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Bob McBride

8:54 pm on Tuesday, January 17, 2012

Believe what you want, john. You're the one who confirmed for me that it was your lovely work I saw today. I had a hunch, but until you acknowledged it I wasn't sure.

Don't be too disappointed. I didn't expect much better out of you.

jt

9:11 pm on Tuesday, January 17, 2012

you confirmed nothing bob. except the fact that your full of it! you can't even tell what road you were on, guess you must have been lost! i do enjoy getting under your skin though! it isn't very proffessional of a highly educated man such as yourself to let a working joe like me make you lose your cool . btw, are you still disbarred?

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Bob McBride

9:14 pm on Tuesday, January 17, 2012

Suit yourself, john. I know what I saw today and I know who's responsible for it, thanks to you confirming it for me. Take care. And take a bit more care next time you're out pushing snow around. Nobody's indispensable.

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Craig

10:14 pm on Tuesday, January 17, 2012

John: What's up with the name change? One minute it is John and the next it is jt.

Jim L

7:01 am on Wednesday, January 18, 2012

Governor Walker, on the Rush Limbaugh Show yesterday:

RUSH: Signatures are due today; is that right?

WALKER: That's right.

RUSH: How does this recall process work?

WALKER: Yeah, it is bizarre. They need to get at least a number equivalent to a quarter of all the votes cast for governor in 2010. So that's just over 540,000. They'll probably turn in close to 700,000 today. But, remember, that's equivalent, meaning in our state you don't actually have to be a voter to sign it, all you have to be is eligible to vote, which means 18, not a felon, and lived in the state for at least 28 days. So you can imagine all the shenanigans there.

RUSH: Yeah.

WALKER: But from what they say they're probably gonna turn in 720,000 today.
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The Republicans managed, with their majorities in the State House, to ram through the most regressive Voter Suppression Bill in the country last Summer, eliminating a high percentage of African Americans, Hispanics, students, and the elderly, et al, from their ability to vote.

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Jim L

7:02 am on Wednesday, January 18, 2012

Milwaukee JournalSentinel (Jan. 17):

Madison -- With recall petitions to be filed against Gov. Scott Walker Tuesday, aides said the governor would not be available for an interview because of a busy schedule.

Walker is scheduled to hold a fundraiser in New York City in the afternoon hosted by Maurice "Hank" Greenberg, the founder of financial services corporation American International Group, according to a copy of the fund-raising solicitation posted on the website of the New York Daily News.

A Walker campaign spokeswoman did not respond to a request for comment.

Greenberg and AIG have drawn fire for losses at the company contributing to the financial crisis and resulting recession of recent years.
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Remember when teachers, city, county, state and federal employees crashed the stock market, or when public employees wiped out half of everybody’s 401Ks, took trillions in TARP money, spilled oil in the Gulf of Mexico, gave themselves billions in bonuses, moved most of the good paying private jobs overseas and paid no taxes?
Me neither.

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Randy1949

5:48 pm on Wednesday, January 18, 2012

So the likes of Hank Greenberg wants to keep Gov. Walker in office? This is very telling.

Drive To 24

5:35 pm on Wednesday, January 18, 2012

MADISON, WISCONSIN—Wisconsin’s embattled Governor, Scott Walker, vowed Tuesday night not to let the successful recall drive against him hinder his fight to “bring this great State of ours to the edge of fiscal and economic ruin.”
“Our reforms have managed to consistently place Wisconsin in the bottom of national statistics for new job creation and economic development,” Walker stated. “This is not the time to deviate from that course, now that our goal of total financial ruin is so close.”

Walker pointed to a number of policies enacted since he took office that he claims helped get Wisconsin to its current state of economic collapse, including refusing millions of dollars from the federal government for high speed rail, slashing education and local government budgets, and denying thousands access to health insurance.

“But there’s a lot left to do,” Walker added. “We still have critical state-level issues we need to address, like outlawing contraception, building even more puppy mills, and instituting the second prong of my conceal-and-carry legislation, the 'shoot-to-kill' exception for The Gays, before we can declare victory in the battle against the middle class.”

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Drive To 24

5:38 pm on Wednesday, January 18, 2012

Federal law requires that states seeking a waiver to reduce or eliminate access to public health care certify that they have, or project to have, a budget deficit. In seeking a waiver that would restrict or eliminate health care for thousands of Wisconsin families, Scott Walker’s administration certified in a December 29, 2011 letter to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services that, “Wisconsin would have a budget deficit, based on generally accepted accounting principles, during state fiscal years 2012 and 2013…”

The admission by Walker’s administration that Wisconsin carries a budget deficit contradicts Scott Walker’s perpetual campaign lie that his “reforms” are working for Wisconsin, and that he has eliminated “a $3.6 billion budget deficit without raising taxes.”

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Heather Asiyanbi

5:59 pm on Wednesday, January 18, 2012

I'm not naming names here, but the personal attacks must cease. Debate the issues, of course, but we're done getting personal just because opinions differ.

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