Not including the hand-entered ballots at that time in the total ballot count does make the numbers confusing, but obviously the GAB, et. al. understood/understand it.

HOW RIDICULOUS! Let's compare ALL counties from 2006 levels. The people in Waukesha County were FIRED UP and EXERCISED THEIR RIGHT TO VOTE. The "levels" are way off in EVERY COUNTY--this was not a usual election. Why are there 10,000 OVERVOTES in Dane County? The Democrats are seeing this from only their nasty little perspective. There is no fraud here--your unqualified candidate DID NOT WIN. Get over it.

Mike Tate...? Gimme a break, that guy is the Alex Jones of WI when it comes to Politics. I for one am glad the Mike Tates of the world are advancing in the Dem Party because it will drive more reasonable people away from the Dems. Did Mike vote mention Stella's comment about the Dane County overvote? Did MIke Tate mention that Milwaukee County often has precincts report more votes for Dems than there are registered voters in the precinct? Did Mike Tate offer any commentary on the "smokes for votes" controversy from Milwaukee from 2000? Did Mike Tate comment on the slashing of tires of GOP get out the vote vans by the offspring of elected Democratic officials in the 2004 election? Face it Mike Tate, you're an impotent leader. Your party threw its best punch, missed, and fell on its face. You offered up an underqualified, wing-nut, with no business of running for the position in an attempt to try to legislate from the bench. Message to Mike Tate, the Democratic Party of WI is imploding and the real middle-class hard working people of the State are rejecting liberalism.

Van Hollen was again elected in 2010...soooooo.....where's the beef?

From Forbes, "There have been explanations put forth by various writers suggesting that the count on total voters may not have included absentee ballots, military votes, provisional votes, etc. That’s certainly possible – but would be a far more persuasive argument if confirmed by a County official. Yet, when the Daily Kos blogger phoned the Wisconsin Government Accountability Board, he was told, “We are aware of it, we are looking into it, and we cannot comment on it.” These are hardly comforting words five years after the election in question."
http://blogs.forbes.com/rickungar/2011/04/13/something-smells-in-waukesha-county-wisconsin-and-its-not-the-cheese/

Remember when the GOP had morals? Me neither.

#winning

@DAVE: Dave, sure let's get into a morality discussion. Does the phrase "smokes for votes" ring a bell? How about Al Franken's campaign findings ballots in the trunk of a car? Didn't some kids of elected Democrats in WI get busted for slashing GOP vans' tires? Morality--the party of Robert Byrd? Morality, the party of John Edwards? Morality, the party of Jim Doyle? Sorry Dave, tides are changing and liberalism is being exposed for the festering boil that it is and guys like you can't stand to NOT be able to control the message anymore. If you listen carefully, you can probably hear the world's smallest violin working overtime at my house. And yes, you're "winning" about as much as Charlie Sheen these days--you think you're hot, and you ramble incoherently, all the while being laughed at and rejected

@Dave, actually you might have a point. This is interesting......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVFBK9GhS5Q

Mike Tate et al. are really wearing out their welcome with with me and all of my middle of the road friends. He might be charging up his base, but swing voters are getting annoyed with all of the sore looser games.

There is no middle in WI anymore thanks to Walker. Both sides end up hating Switzerland anyways.

Glad to hear Palin is visiting WI. Hopefully she'll convince Walker to copy her and QUIT!

Palin and Walker will have a debate to determine who is the absolute worst. governor. ever.

BTW it's way too easy irritating you adorable rightwingers. You really are making this too fun.

Yes Dave, I know, so many of you Independent/Moderate, middle of the roaders up until 2 months ago. Thanks for calling me adorable, but I'm straight. Even if I wasn't, washed up hippie retreds aren't my cup of tea.

So we are now dredging up election results from 5 years ago? Didn't the GAB certify those elections? Is the system so fouled up that nobody can believe any of the numbers? Take the cheating out of the picture for a minute... look at the process... the precinct notifies the city... the city passes on the information to the county... the county passes it on to the state... Wow... Lets all hop into our horse buggies and run the ballots up to Madison.

How about some serious updating of the election counting process? Why can't a precinct report national and state races to the state, county results to the county and city results to the city? Take all the clerks out of the loop...

Yep. "The state's investigation into vote irregularities in Waukesha County will stretch back at least five years, the head of the Government Accountability Board said Thursday."
http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/elections/article_46644a68-6704-11e0-907e-001cc4c03286.html

Walker Under Oath today: "I Don't Even Know Where Cali Is"!

#JustKeepsGettingMoreBizarre

Even though I've seen him, I'm beginning to believe @GovWalker is not real. No one can be that stupid.

I looked at the Waukesha numbers (posted by a blogger) from the county level and also the State GAO.

"Summary Report" in Waukesha County "Run date 1/13/08 08:49 AM" (I am not sure where this report actually came from or how it was found, and I do not have the ability to find other similar reports):

Total votes for Falk + Van Hollen + Write in" does add up to 174,047. Governor's race had 176,112 votes counted. "Ballots cast - Total" is listed as 156,804.

The other link posted was "2006 Nov Election Detail" dated mon April 23, 2007
elections.state.wi.us/docview.asp?docid=11077&locid=47

Voters 177,424 (which is enough votes) but specifies Absentee = 15,146 Military absentee returned = 81 Oversees absentee returned = 27 and Provisional ballot counted = 5.

If the Waukesha "summary report" dated 1/13/08 has 156,804 "ballots cast" PLUS presumably the absentee votes of 15,259 from the second document, that totals 172,063. So counting absentee votes, there are still 4,049 votes unexplained (or 4,049 missing voters, depending on how you see it).

If Van Hollen beat Falk by 8,859 out of 2.1 million total votes, the 4,000 extra votes were not the margin of error. That many votes would however take the race from a 0.2% win to a 0.4% win. I wonder if this kind of discrepancy between County voter reports and state data exist routinely, rarely or almost never?

Seth of Wisconsin

@Dave, yes, where is the link for the comment you speak of please? I love how the libs keep griping about WI elections but go completely silent when you ask them about any Democratic election issues of the past--including flat out fraud.

Ok, I found the link on CSPAN where some hack I've never heard of is getting his day in the sun and referencing the FAKE phone call from the Koch impersonator. The guy on the CSPAN video keeps saying COLLY--what the hell is COLLY please?

"Palin and Walker will have a debate to determine who is the absolute worst. governor. ever."

and they will crown Jim Doyle, worst. WI governor. ever.

Dave has nothing worthwhile to say so he resorts to juvenile locker room gay jokes?

Walker will end his career as a governor the same way he began his career in county government, through a recall.

@Besher... What Dave meant was that because of Tom Ament (sp) being recalled, Walker had his chance to be elected as Milwaukee County Executive.

I believe Earl is correct on another point, Walker will end his career cleaning up the mess left by a Democrat.

@All... It is about time we start taking our election process more seriously. We were not the spotlight of the nation for voter fraud in 2000 only because Florida was way worse that year. I time in that spotlight may be 2012 if we don't fix the issues that leave our election system (including the canvass process and election night totaling) soon. We need some serious updating and serious efforts to prevent fraud and mistakes.

@All... don't hire me as an editor... especially before i have had my coffee :)

Where i said... "I time in that spotlight..." Should be.. "In time we will be in that spotlight, it may be 2012... "

Sorry for the wonderful pre-caffeine sentence structure.

@Dave, call me anything you want, but please don't call me cute, its very Barney Frankish creepy. So, you guys are hanging your hat on a bogus phone call? Wow, that's some serious misconduct there. Walker is so in bed with the Koch brothers that he didn't even recognize the guy's voice on the phone? Just face it Dave, Randy etc, you guys have lost the debate about the issues at hand. As I've said before, just come out and say what you really believe in. You can do it like a support group--I will push your names together, likely somewhat erotically for you guys and call you Dave/Randy, "Dandy". "Hi, my name is Dandy and I'm a closet Socialist. I've lost the battle of ideas and the message can no longer be controlled to the sheople. I believe in bigger Govt, higher taxes, less personal accountability, and temper tantrums. My hobbies are demonization, protesting, and poor hygiene. I enjoy long walks around the Capitol while shouting, Michael Moore films, and shopping at Outpost. I like to have Govt think and act for me and to practice confiscatory wealth distribution for the things I believe in. Big, private companies are evil but big Govt should tell us what light bulbs to use. I'm proud when Govt fines someone $500 for dumping their bait in a lake but have never heard the intitials MMSD before. WAR IS NOT THE ANSWER, unless it's Libya...and George Bush made these current gas prices $4/gallon....."

@Seth, my argument is that there was nothing fraudulent about the Brookfield count and the numbers they are using now were actually posted by Patch on election night, but the Dems are trying to roll it into another Capitol building slumber party. The examples I cited from recent Democratic election shenanigans need to be outed because, time and time again massive fraud DOES occur on this side. I am drawing the comparison between real fraud that gets ignored and the Brookfield case which is obviously not fraud but is being blown out of proportion. Here's another example, why were Democrats so ticked off about Deputies guarding the votes that were warehoused for the Milwaukee canvass? Wouldn't they want to protect the sanctity of that canvass? Why has no Dem on this thread addressed any of the issues I presented?

@Whoever posted the comment about Roger Ebert not likely Atlas Shrugged. I would expect pretty much everyone in the entertainment industry will be disgusted by a story that promotes personal accountability, achievement through hard work and perseverance, Lassez Faire Capitalism, and the shortfalls of Socialistic programs. The more and more a liberal hates something, the more I know its something good. I laugh at you guys dredging up these stories about the Koch brothers. The Democratic side of the aisle in morally bankrupt. If you're really going to talk about 40 yrs ago and Father Koch, can you please mention what Robert Byrd, Teddy Kennedy, and Father Gore were doing at about that time? Obama has created Czar after Czar with actual Communist sympathizers of true Communists and you mention Father Koch being investigated by the Committee on Unamerican Activities (or whatever it was called)? Let's do this, you guys post what you truly want to do and how you want to proceed and we will do the same. If you want to spend more, grow Govt, and create a nanny state, just say so. I am for limited Govt, lower taxes, and creation of more wealth for everybody, from poorer to richer etc. Please stop with the "gap" arugment of the rich get richer by proportion, its an idiotic premise.

The rich do get richer under Capitalism, yes. The poor get richer too. Maybe you could ban rich people from our economy and see how that works? And, NO, I am not rich. Take a guy who makes $50k/yr and a guy who makes $500k/yr for example. If the economy expands and each guy makes 20% more income, the first guy is now making $60k/yr, and the 2nd guy is now making $600k/yr. The gap has grown from $450k/yr to $540k/yr, but both people are now better off. Don't forget that the guy making $500-$600k/yr is already paying at a huge rate as the people in that bracket pay about 95% of the TOTAL tax burden now. I would move to go to a 25% across the board tax rate for everyone, this way the "richer" one is, the more they still pay but the huge percentage of the population that now pays nothing (or even receives more back than they pay) will now be contributing to the overall "common good". Please stop the demigoguing and offer solutions, the Alinski playbook isn't getting anyone, anywhere.

@Randy, but I am a guy who will tell people upfront what I am about and not try to dupe people into my agenda. People like you are what my friends and I have coined "tough typers". You spout off in anonymity things you would never say while sitting at your local watering hole, because you know your thoughts are radical and leftist--and being overwhelmingly rejected. I am considering attending Jim Brownlow's upcoming coffee clutch, perhaps you'd like to share theories then. Sorry I couldn't keep up yesterday, I had to work at my non-taxpayer funded job and then did some volunteer work for the VA--I'm so ashamed of who I am, sure, yeah you totally got me there.

Speaking of War and Oil, I haven't noticed any anti-war yard signs and bumber stickers lately--like I did 4 yrs ago. Also, wasn't it a big conspriracy in 2008 when the evil oil companies were "profiteering" on oil prices because of the evil George Bush? Hmmmm, maybe war IS the answer and profit is a good thing now all of a sudden? Even though the left's Politics aren't transparent, their idealogical shortcoming sure are.

Dave must be a public union member, he has lots of time during the work week to post on blogs. Gee Dave, some of the things you say aren't very "co-existy". You should remember to keep your temper down. Here's some advice. Just say to yourself WWMBSD (What would my bumper sticker do). Better yet, walk out of the commune and peer at the rear end of your Smart car. It might say, "Make Love Not War, or COEXIST, or I Closed Wolski's". Anyway you slice it, its important and you're changing hearts and minds everywhere you go.

Or Dave could be semi-retired and self-employed like me. It's probably a bad idea to make assumptions. By the way, I drive a Jeep, and my next car may be a truck. No bumper stickers so far, but my "Recall Scott Walker" should be arriving any day. :)

@Kurt, John Galt is just a character in a book, not the end all-be all. Again, maybe you could come out with your thoughts on how to handle the issues of society now. Please liberals, quit using the "common good" as your premise, we know its code for "Govt control." For example, the new light bulbs are for the common good, but in 3 yrs will be banned because of the mercury in them.

@Randy, or maybe you guys could be "roommates"? --like Bert and Ernie kinda.

@Kurt, as I've said before, I would have chosen the name Winston Smith but then would have to hear you remind me that Orwell was a Socialist. Have you ever noticed that if a Conservative does one small thing that is contradictory, it's a big deal? Can I not like Pearl Jam's music because I disagree with their politics now too? I bet you were angry when Obama ulogized Robert Byrd, huh?

@Aldo, interesting Limbaugh rant, considering he just raised millions again for charity this week.

Geez, I should change my name to something more palatable to the left like Che Guevara, Karl Marx, Fidel Castro or Bill Ayers. Aldo, nice threading with you but I'm pretty sure you're going to get booted from this site after your last comment--more of that compassionate and tolerant tone of the left I see.

@Randy. In all seriousness, if someone agrees with the principals of Socialism, Marxism, Communism etc, then they should just come out and say it--and convince others that its the best idealogy. When the right was claiming Socialism on the left's part recently, it was strongly denounced and the "I'm offended" card was played by the left. If you want Socialized Medicine, just come out and say it. If you want the rates of Greece, just come out and say it. Whatever it is that you push for, just come out and say it. You may be willing to say it on a thread where no one knows you--or maybe even to everyone who does know you, but the fact is the leaders of the left in this Country never run on who they truly are and always become more "Conservative" come election time.

Because its for the children or for the "common good" right Randy. So, Gov Walker asking Public Union Members to pay 5% of their own pension and 12% of their own Healthcare Premiums is not for the "common good" though, right? All these issues can be hashed out among everybody. My point is not what you individually are ready to admit, its what your party espouses and the platform it runs on. Sure, minimum wage can be a good thing--so why not make it $100/hr? Of course we need laws and regulations etc, but the idealogical difference is that your side believes Govt is always the answer and my side believes in limited Govt--which is often confused with "no Govt". Govt should be there for Military, Fire/Police, to build infrastructure, safety net programs, and basic yet essential services. Govt should not be an omni-present force constantly overseeing and controlling menial aspects of every day life. Before you get too far with your financial regulation vibe, you should know that Obama was very much in bed with Wall Street and FNMA during the Financial collapse. The collapse of the market was spurred by the housing industry, which exploded due to a Govt program known as the Community Reinvestment Act-introduced by Carter, put on steroids by Clinton and prolonged by Bush. Obama then gave Frankln Raines a cabinet position after he used the term "riskless assets" when referring to the housing market-he left FNMA with a golden parachute.

@Aldo, yes Patch is owned by AOL and affiliated with HuffPo, that's why I'm so glad that they published the Brookfield vote on the evening of the election:) You may not like Limbaugh, and personally I don't listen to his show, but I don't think being opinionated makes him evil, does it? I disagree with pretty much everything Jimm Carter does and says but I at least give him credit for his charity work.

No one is evil? There have been thousands of truly evil people. Hitler, Hussein, Mao, Polpot, Dahmer and so on....
Greed and the needless invasion of a Country that did no harm to us is truly evil, I do agree. I also agree that air raiding villages and bombing civilians is wrong--along with the lack of evidence of weapons of mass distruction. The untold loss and pain caused by our Military because of misguided leadership and war-mongering in order to bolster our ally's reserves for energy is unfortunate. Whatsmore, the fact that we went to war without Congressional approval is unconstitutional. But I digress, enough about Libya. Whatever we do, thank God Obama closed Gitmo like he promised.

You mean who opened Gitmo? Bush opened it in 2002. Obama promised to close it before the end of his first term. What does the who and when it opened have to do with Obama not following through with his campaign promise?

Sorry, Obama promised to close it within a year. He promised to cut the National deficit in half by the end of his first term.

Neither promise fulfilled. So, Randy, who is "your guy" and why? Lyndon Larouche? Here is your chance to explain to us your world view and which American Politician best represents your philosophical beliefs. You still really haven't explained who you are or what you believe in, more just what's wrong, who's bad, and why I suck. Please enlighten me.

I can't answer a statement, what's the question?

I would not necessarily agree on some of his New Deal style applications of his administration. It would be hard to compare our Country now to what it was in the 30s-50s though either. The world is a much different place. I would have agreed with his Foreign Policy for the most part. No Politician is going to have everybody like every single thing he/she does. For example, take the average Republican now and compare them to JFK--and JFK is likely more Conservative, Politically speaking. Men like Ike and JFK were true leaders because they did in fact LEAD, not like most of the Politicians on each side of the aisle these days.

It appears Aldo may have been booted due to his tolerant and compassionate nature and respect for the freedom of speech of others.......

Thanks for the discussion thread. Be well, all.

@Seth. I feel dirty and violated just for having seen their website, but here is a link to HuffPo commenting on the Brookfiled Patch election night results etc.......

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/09/wisconsin-election-bombshell_n_847000.html

@Randy... This is way off topic, sorry. But I cant let his statements go unchallenged.

You have stated several times how Bush blew a surplus and passed on a deficit. While on the face this is true, but you omit some details. See this wiki article...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/90/Revenue_and_Expense_to_GDP_Chart_1993_-_2008.png

Look at "Federal Tax Revenue and Expenses" graph. What jumps out to me are...

1997-99... Stocks soar.. on Dot-com speculation and other drivers
2001... Dot Bomb crisis on wall street... all the dot-com start-up that failed...
2001... Twin towers fall in terror attack

Between the dot-bomb and the real bombs falling in the war on terror the federal spending went up as revenues came down sharply.

2002 - 2007 Revenue is rebounding while spending is relatively flat.

2008 - Housing bubble bursts... Financial crisis grows

Late 2008 - The bottom falls out and revenues dip significantly
Since then we have had a slow recover of revenue to 2008 levels... but spending has exploded.

The number and trends tell the story...

However you totally miss the villain(s) in this sage. It isn't the President that passes the budget it is Congress... let us not forget the infamous words of Pelosi "We have to pass the bill so we can find out what is in it..." on a 700 Billion appropriation. This is why the Ryan proposal is so refreshing... even if it doesn't pass totally it is way past time to get serious about spending.

You liberals are nuts,,,really! The fact is the GAB found her to be stupid. We already knew that. Lets not forget the GAB is a bunch of Dems that were appointed by Jim "the hack" Doyle. So if the liberal GAB can't find nothing ILLEAGAL then I don't think little man tate will have much luck either. Too bad...so sad. Get over yourselves now....please!

I know you are, but what am I?