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Daily Recall Roundup: June 3

Here are the latest updates from the campaign trail in the Wisconsin gubernatorial recall election.

 

Every day between now and Tuesday's gubernatorial recall election, Patch will provide daily updates on what's happening on the campaign trail.

Check back with this column throughout the day for the latest recall-related news

5:30 p.m.: Jesse Jackson to campaign for Barrett

In a last-minute push to garner more votes, The Rev. Jesse Jackson of the Rainbow PUSH Coalition will be in Racine at 7 p.m. Sunday at the Bray Center, 926 Center St.

Organizers say the upcoming recall election on Tuesday is “too close to call,” and Jackson is in town to persuade African-Americans to head to the polls.

In conjunction with other organizations, Jackson has been working on Wisconsin issues through a program called “Power of the Vote.”

5 p.m.: Chuck Norris backs Scott Walker

Actor Chuck Norris is jumping into the Wisconsin recall battle, urging Wisconsinites to ignore President Bill Clinton and vote for Republican Gov. Scott Walker, The Huffington Post reports.

"Wisconsin Democrats, Washington elite and insiders, and liberal special interests have joined together to fight for the recall of Gov. Scott Walker in Wisconsin in Tuesday's election," wrote Norris in his latest column for the site WorldNetDaily. "But last Friday, when I saw them also send in the big guns, former President Bill Clinton himself, against Gov. Walker, I knew I had to enter the ring, too."

The Huffington Post says Norris didn't announce any plans to actually come to Wisconsin — as Clinton did to campaign for Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett, who is running against Walker — but he encouraged readers to vote for Walker on Tuesday.

9:45 a.m.: Crime expert say he was misrepresented in Walker ad

A TV ad by Republican Gov. Scott Walker that blasts opponent Tom Barrett over the Milwaukee Police Department's issues with accurately tracking crime statistics quotes a criminology professor as saying the problem illustrates "a failure of leadership."

But the University of Nebraska-Omaha professor whose quote is featured in the ad tell The Huffington Post that Walker misrepresented his views and is "absolutely wrong" to blame Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett for the problem.

"The governor misrepresented what I said," he said. "My comment was about the police department strictly. Mayors don't understand these things. They just accept what their police chiefs and police departments give them. ... The governor was absolutely wrong in saying the mayor was directly responsible for this."

7:30 a.m.: Walker, Barrett could cross paths in Brown County

Republican Gov. Scott Walker and his Democratic opponent in Tuesday's primary, Tom Barrett, are both scheduled to appear Sunday morning at the Brown County Dairy Breakfast in De Pere.

Walker is expected to show up at the event, at the Zirbel Dairy Farms,
6013 Morrison Road, at 8:45 a.m. Meanwhile, Barrett and U.S. Sen. Herb Kohl are scheduled to campaign arrive there are at 9:10 a.m.

After that event, Walker will head off to the Marathon County Dairy Breakfast at the NTC Agriculture Center of Excellence, 6625 County Road K, Wausau, where he's expected at 12:10 p.m.

He also will visit his campaign office in Germantown at 2:35 p.m. and in Fitchburg at 5 p.m.

Meanwhile, Kohl and Barrett will make an 11:15 a.m. campaign stop at the New Moon Café, 401 N Main St., Oshkosh.

After that, Barrett will meet with voters at Emy J’s, 1009 First St., Stevens Point, at 6 p.m.

Related Topics: Herb Kohl, Scott Walker, Tom Barrett, Walker Recall, and Wisconsin Recalls

Brett bushman

8:31 am on Sunday, June 3, 2012

Why is Tom Barrett leaving Milwaukee to try to be the rockstar that he isn't? I love how he can rip on walker for leaving the state that he governs when he himself hasn't been in Milwaukee since he stood next to the last president to be impeached... Another perfect example of the double standard the lefties hold over our heads....

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Babykit

10:20 am on Sunday, June 3, 2012

Each time Walker talks he digs himself deeper. New name: Scott Blagoevich

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James R Hoffa

12:50 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012

@Trina -

Are you saying that Walker is turning into a Chicago style Democrat?

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Jim Bob

12:49 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012

Walker certainly isn't turning into a Lincoln Republican.

Bewildered

8:39 am on Sunday, June 3, 2012

Ya know, if I hear "he's a rock star. I'm rock solid" one more time, I think I'll be sick. My two young, first time voting kids just laugh and mock the mayor for his quote. One would think his speachwriters could do better than that. Down 7% and trends showing the lead growing, three days to go, the Mayor might try a new catch phrase. This failing campaign is going hard to put on the resumes of the left paid campaign staff. Think they'll fess up to working on the Klopy/Pasch/Barrett campaigns? Neither do i. But I must admit, "I'm not a rock star, im rock solid" could make a pretty good rap song.

Oh yea, anyone catch the mayor's claim no one on his staff has ever been convicted of a felony was rated 100% false Saturday by MJS? Opps There goes another well thought out sound bite. Wonder if he will continue using it knowing it's a lie? I have no doubt about the answer to that either. How come you don't report this, Mark? No need to answer. We all know why!

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Bren

1:43 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012

Here's the link to the Politifact rating, in which a former receptionist was charged with a non-political offense. Politifact is occasionally flawed in its measurement system, applying a sliding scale of mysticism to its ratings (on Republicans and Democrats). In this example, Barrett was speaking in political context; Politifact does not rate him within that context. It's important to read each Politifact report to understand these (again) occasional discrepancies. Overall it's pretty good. Within proper context Barrett is correct--none of his employees have ever been convicted of a political crime.

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2012/jun/01/tom-barrett/wisconsin-recall-dem-challenger-tom-barrett-says-n/

I think that mocking a candidate who is speaking a simple, and for many of us--welcome truth is emotionally and politically immature. Bewildered, I hope your first-time voting offspring understand that this is not a game and that people's lives have been negatively impacted by Walker's actions. I hope that they understand the rationale behind the recall and are making their decisions based on knowledge, not "I want to win!"

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Greg

2:00 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012

Nice job with the spin Brendan, you are gonna get dizzy.
"Barrett said flatly "no one on my staff has ever been charged with a crime." His receptionist was charged in 2010 with battery and was convicted."
I mock Barrett for acting like a second grader when he says this BS.

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Bren

2:16 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012

Again, not "Brendan." I realize I haven't repeated this seven times yet, the amount of repetitions suggested by experts to begin the saturation of this concept (that's why Fox keeps repeating factoids ad nauseum, with a stream of factoid narrative at the bottom of the viewing screen. They cram those repetitions fast and furious, nearly subliminally, short-track saturation. I'll just confront at each encounter).

Well you have proven that the saturation has a firm grip on your synapses, and any evidence counter to what has been planted will be deflected. We'll see what happens.

Here's something disturbing. A relative (one of the few who still has a landline) called me and confessed they had misrepresented their voting intentions on not one but several polls. This naughty relative has been reporting that they would vote for Walker, when in fact they have submitted an absentee votes for Barrett. I was very surprised at this. But with a spouse recently retired from a private sector union with many friends and acquaintance still active, Diane Hendrick's desire for Wisconsin to become a 'Right to Work for Less' state really hit home. It's too bad, really. There were quite a few Walker supporters in that union until that video surfaced.

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Greg

2:35 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012

Brendan is like the guys on Pawn Stars, he has a friend for every situation in this election. None of which means anything.
But they are really good stories and are super fun to read.

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Bren

3:09 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012

Repetition #4. I am not "Brendan." I don't mean to annoy you but my family and acquaintance are intranational and international. What annoys me is when the international contact me with questions about Scott Walker. His legend grows!

Jay Sykes

9:23 am on Sunday, June 3, 2012

(close your eyes,now ... and think to yourself....)

'There's no place like home. There's no place like home.'

'There's no place like home. There's no place like home.'

'There's no place like home. There's no place like home.'

(...wake up Wednesday ...)

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James R Hoffa

1:08 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012

A hearsay hit piece from a source that can neither be located or confirmed!

WOW - you guys are really desperate, aren't you?

Proof once again my friends, that Barrett and the Dems are targeting the low information, non-thinking voter!

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Bren

1:59 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012

First, Mr. Hoffa is incorrect in presenting ReCall's article as "proof that Mayor Barret and the Dems are targeting the low information, non-thinking voter." According to the information provided in the link, this is a falsehood. Mr. Hoffa, if you have actual evidence to present that connects the Mayor and the Democratic Party to this story, please present it now or edit your post.

Well, "Ruth's" friend Dr. Bernadette Gillick gives her name in this claim that Scott Walker impregnated a young woman at MU and refused to take responsibility. A disturbingly detailed, though unsubstantiated claim.

Another interesting link in ReCall's article is a statement from a former MU classmate of Walker's, Dr. Glen Barry, discussing Walker's nascent political behavior in school: http://undoctrinaire.com/2012/05/27/dr-glen-barry-scott-walker-is-still-unfit-for-office/

Here is the statement I find most interesting: "Later in his freshman year Walker runs for his first campus-wide office – the President of the resident halls – and is beaten by a hastily cobbled together write-in campaign which I helped organize. Already the campus had soured upon a plastic, dishonest, conniving personality."

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Greg

2:11 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012

Eleventh hour accusations of this type make you look desperate beyond belief.

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Bren

2:21 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012

Sort of like that horrible "child abuse" ad, right? Or presenting a debt restructure (with $153 million new interest fees) a "surplus" at the 11th hour? Or pulling out new job numbers without reporting the actual net gain (i.e. deducting job losses in same period)?

This is Walker's great skill, divide and conquer, at work.

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James R Hoffa

2:33 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012

To the contrary Bren -

Anyone that would even consider accepting unsubstantiated hearsay as gospel and incorporating it into a decision such as voting is clearly someone that is either of extremely low information or doesn't really utilize their capacity to think for themselves!

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Greg

2:43 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012

Let's hear more about the debt restructuring. Is this the same one that Governor Walker was on TV everyday requesting that the Fleeing 14 return to the state so the restructuring could take place? Brendan you were banging on your drum too loud. The restructuring was done so we could pay Minnesota the money that Doyle stole.

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James R Hoffa

2:47 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012

@Bren -

Walker - no new original public debt offerings from the state under his tenure as Governor.

Barrett - City of Milwaukee is so leveraged that it recently underwent yet another downgrade of it's public debt rating (most likely connected with Barrett's huge bond offering to build his trolley).

The distinction is clear!

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Bren

3:24 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012

Concerning the unsubstantiated love child story, is there anyone on Patch who hasn't made up their minds already?

Greg, repetition #5. Not Brendan. Also, the issue of debt restructuring that I have is that it was presented to us as "We have a surplus." Given the severity of this recession I have already accepted the fact that it will take many years for our state and country to recover. What I do not accept are campaign promises made with no possibility or apparent intention of being kept.

We can't change the story mid-stream. We started with "250,000 new jobs by the end of my first term," "balanced budget using GAAP," and "I will negotiate with public employee unions." Since Walker himself set these metrics we must adhere to them. (A reasonable platform would have been, "I'm going to focus on job creation and balancing the budget." We all know he never would have been elected if he had told the truth about following the ALEC agenda, including union stripping).

Concerning the trolley, why are we focusing on this? As someone who at times spends more time trying to find parking than the actual drive to the location (and pays for parking), the trolley is an elegant solution. Not only is it an homage to Milwaukee's historic past as a model for mass transit, it addresses the parking issue. It will pay for itself quickly.

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James R Hoffa

4:57 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012

@Bren -

If there's a projected cash surplus according to the cash accounting method of Walker's first biennium budget, then what's dishonest about it? Whenever previous Governors, including Doyle, referenced the budget within the state, it was always according to the cash accounting method. So what, per say, is so utterly dishonest about what Walker is doing here?

Contrast this to Doyle, who hid his illegal segregated fund raids, open tab with Minnesota, and new original public debt offerings in his midnight hour budget.

Walker is beyond any doubt the more honest politician in this regard. He's not hiding anything. And the cash vs GAAP accounting methods have already been beaten to death here, so please don't go into that again. It is what is. But if you insist, then please tell us where you'd further cut the budget and which employees you'd be laying off so that we could pay off that debt instead of restructuring it, as every previous time I've asked you that question, you've conveniently avoided answering. Also if you go there, please tell us what Barrett's plan for addressing our public debt situation is and how it would be different from Governor Walker's approach, as again, you've avoided answering this question in the past as well!

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Luke

5:23 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012

An imaginary woman who teaches at an unnamed school makes a public announcement with an imaginary attorney? Hhmmmm

How much contempt do the progressive bloggers have for their own base? I think it's too big to be measured.

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Luke

5:32 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012

As I said, the contempt the left has for its own base is so immense that it can't be measured. At least some have a little integrity:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/06/03/1096950/-Woman-Denies-Walker-Fathered-Baby-JSO-Reporter-Daniel-Bice

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Bren

6:12 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012

Luke, she does exist. We may hear more about this in the coming hours/days. Let's wait to see what transpires. Right now it's a statement through an attorney.

Mr. Hoffa, you are ignoring or not understanding the nuance here. As far as "what else to cut," I would need more information. The Wisconsin story has flipped and flopped like a fish in a boat, beginning with the original "manufactured crisis" and "budget repair" aka "union stripping" bill to "we've balanced the budget," projected cash shortfall, "surplus," and debt restructuring. Given the actual task of making this decision the only responsible thing I could do at this juncture is to assess the true state of affairs, before the next budget "bomb" drops next month. I have no confidence whatsoever in Walker or his team, having experience of his antics as Milwaukee County Executive. The most immediate question is the July budget bomb. What's to come? (I have not had time to do all of the research needed as I actually have a job! ; ) Next is expenditure. I hear shadows of rumor that large tax breaks are going to companies such as Georgia Pacific, etc. This would need to be verified and examined for appropriateness. Etc. Then we need to review and compare current and past revenues. I believe Wisconsin's true state of affairs is now much worse than pre-Walker. Then we use a scalpel to make cuts, not a bulldozer, because we are impacting people's lives with each slice.

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Bewildered

6:13 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012

Typical Buckey... Oops sorry, today he's ReCall !.....lies and mudslinging. Should we hold our breath waiting for Bucket to retract his posts. Hey, Patch editor, get ready for more calls to get ban this guy. He's as bad as they get. The left must be soooo proud of this guy.

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Bewildered

6:22 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012

Hey Bren, wanta retract your statement

"Luke, she does exist. We may hear more about this in the coming hours/days. Let's wait to see what transpires."

Never let a few facts ruin good mudslinging. Check your facts before jumping on Buckey's bandwagon. My goodness, man. You've been on Patch long enough to learn to never believe anything Buckey/ReCall ! posts. Be a man and admit you've been bamboozled ( what a great word).

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Greg

6:52 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012

Brendan, The fact that you want the Love Child story to be true so bad, shows that you are unable to apply judgment. I always knew that you had a problem seeing things from an opposing view, but now you are just sad.
I think Barrett would be a poor choice for Governor, based on his past as Mayor and his lack of platform or vision, but I do not hate the man as you do Walker.

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Bren

7:50 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012

Greg, repetition #6. Not "Brendan" (hope we're reaching the homestretch on this one, buddy!)

I believe the only one responsible for her statements is the individual who made them and she does exist. The alleged mother denies it, the story is over. But I found this story no less disconcerting that the "child abuse" ad lobbed at Barrett.

No Greg, I don't "hate" Walker. I don't believe that he has the qualifications or character to be governor of this state (or Milwaukee County Executive, for that matter). Unlike the low information base, some of whom become fanatically and emotionally involved, sometimes with deadly results, those of us who support the recall believe in accessing legal means to rectify an untenable situation.

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Bucky

10:24 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012

Thank You Bren ... Don't write em just report em .

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Bewildered

10:56 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012

Buckey, ReCall ! or whatever you're calling yourself now, your excuse of "don't write em, just report em" holds absolutely no water. You started spewing your crap this morning 6 hours AFTER the Dailey Kos blogger 100% retracted his orig story that you took such great glee in spreading. You, sir, are full of it and a proven repeated liar on Patch. You don't duck responsibility for spreading your crap that easily.

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claire

8:34 am on Tuesday, June 5, 2012

I really would rather stay out of a persons bedroom. If there is a child, that's between the parties involved. I will be voting for Barrett simply because of the damage Walker has done to our state. He is bought and paid for by the Koch bros. and big money. My vote is not for sale.

KOJ

9:32 am on Sunday, June 3, 2012

This week we find out if Wisconsin is for sale to the highest bidder (Walker and his corporate backers) or does the state belong to the people of Wisconsin.

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Greg

9:41 am on Sunday, June 3, 2012

The unions are bidding too, but Barrett will sell us out for nothing. This is Barrett's dream, a re-do election paid for by the unions. (Walker and his corporate backers) did not ask for this election.

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Bren

2:22 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012

No, Greg, Walker certainly didn't want to face recall, as this represents a potentially hiccup in his ladder to national office. Kathleen Falk was the "union darling," not Barrett. Let's keep it real now!

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James R Hoffa

2:43 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012

@Bren -

And the unions haven't fallen in line behind Barrett since his winning of the nomination? Are you suggesting that the unions that backed Falk are now endorsing Walker? Or have they organized a massive write-in campaign for Falk, cause if they are, they're really keeping a tight lid on that as no one has yet to mention it over the Daily Kos yet. Or are those unions now parading around independent candidate Hari Trivedi? Boy, if those unions didn't fall in line behind Barrett, they sure are remaining awfully quite now, despite having made such a big stink about this recall in the past. Can you explain this Bren?

If you're going to keep it real, then please - keep it real!!!

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James R Hoffa

3:14 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012

@Bren -

And the unions haven't fallen in line behind Barrett since his winning of the nomination? Are you suggesting that the unions that backed Falk are now endorsing Walker? Or have they organized a massive write-in campaign for Falk, cause if they are, they're really keeping a tight lid on that as no one has yet to mention it over on the Daily Kos, or anywhere for that matter. Or are those unions now parading around independent candidate Hari Trivedi? Boy, if those unions didn't fall in line behind Barrett, they sure are remaining awfully quite now, despite having made such a big stink about this recall in the past. Can you explain this Bren?

If you're going to keep it real, then please - keep it real!!!

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Bren

4:01 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012

Why is the focus on unions? Because they have the only comparable contributing power to the corporations that fund the Republican Party. First public unions, and if Hendricks (who by the way has attended a number of Koch meeting/events) et al have their way, private sector unions are next (Right to Work for Less).

You are intelligent, Mr. Hoffa, surely you see the danger of one-party political dominance, closely aligned with business interests?

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James R Hoffa

5:10 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012

@Bren -

There have been many times in our history where there has been single party dominance over the other. At the federal level, Obama enjoyed his first couple years as President with a Democratic party dominated House and Senate, remember? We didn't experience the doom and gloom that you're now predicting will occur, did we?

I predict that Bren's response will be something along the longs of how ALEC, the Tea Party, Citizens United, and the Koch Bros have dramatically changed the game in the last couple years.

What Bren will fail to realize though, as usual, is that ALEC, corporations, and money don't elect politicians - people do with their votes. And the Koch Bros and the Tea Party supporters get one vote per race, per election, the same as everybody else.

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Bren

5:41 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012

Thank you for "speaking" for me! ; ) Yes, we each get one vote. Which is why we are being subjected to a barrage of ads intended to confuse, cast doubt, and manipulate.

I would say that the political waters have become very clouded. Whereas the "Great Generation" of World War II took their global experiences, took the best of them (overall), and built an America for the future, we have since become myopic, although we are far more globalized than they. The War on Poverty has lost ground. To be a teacher, once an honored profession, is now considered by the low information base to be a greedy moocher. We apologize for stratospheric CEO salaries but vilify public employees for making a family sustaining wage.

My father was a few years too young for World War II, but as a vet and a private union retiree, he believes strongly that there are times when people must come together for the common good, that's democracy. He's a traditional Republican and I appreciate his views. There's little of that in the Tea/ALEC/GOP. There's no greatness there, only pettiness, meanness, furtiveness, and outright cruelty. Scott Walker stands for these things and I reject them.

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James R Hoffa

6:00 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012

@Bren -

I thought you'd like that :-)

You're a good person and Hoffa likes you!

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Bewildered

6:06 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012

Or the first years under Clinton. Dems controlled both houses. The lesson is when you have a one party dominance ( as voted in by the citizens) you had better do something with it or look out for a serious rebuttal of your policies. The landslide defeat of the dominating party at the midterm elections under Clinton and Obama are proof.

But in Wisconsin, the losing party won't wait for regular elections, they try recalls and get spanked. Don't you guys realize how much you've hurt Obama in Wisconsin ?Walker's momentum will carry over into November. Obama knows this and that's why he is staying as far away from Barrett as he can.

Dumb, just plain dumb.

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Lyle Ruble

1:04 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012

@JRH and Bewildered....There have been a number of times in our national history where we've seen one party control. The two most infamous periods were after the civil war until 1912 and from 1933 to 1952. Whether you're Democrat or Republican, it doesn't matter; it's not in the best interest for the citizenry to vest too much power in the hands of one political party. It is high time to think about the situation with clarity. All I want in Wisconsin is one chamber of the legislature, then it doesn't matter who is governor; balance will return.

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James R Hoffa

1:50 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012

@Lyle -

Nicely said! However, in recent times, "balance" has come to equate to stagnation, inefficiency, and ineffectiveness. Sometimes, a little expedited implementation of a platform/agenda is a good thing, as we have regularly scheduled elections to prevent too many abuses from occurring and nothing that is done today can't be undone tomorrow when it comes to government.

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Chris

2:11 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012

It is just incredibly intellectually bankrupt to say the nation is worse off if only one party is in control. Why? What if the one party that is in control does everything so well that the country prospers like never before? It's only disastrous if the policies enacted do damage, or have long term, unintended consequences. Should I say the sky is green, just because sees it that way, or should I stand my ground and insist it's blue, because I'm right?

Reminds me of a t-shirt I saw...said "If I agreed with you, then we'd both be wrong."

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Bucky

5:11 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012

@Bewildered ... If I didn't spread my crap on here you would have nothing to eat.

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Bewildered

5:21 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012

Love it. Bucket finally admits he's been spreading crap. Hey Bucksters, time to get out of the shallow end, it's time for adult swim.

Babykit

10:18 am on Sunday, June 3, 2012

Gee, there's a shocker...Scott Walker misrepresenting something....hmmmm

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James R Hoffa

12:58 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012

@Trina -

Ummm....

Walker isn't misrepresenting anything, but rather pointing out the fact that Barrett hires incompetent people to work under him. After all, wasn't that Barrett's whole point with his little quip at the debate about how he supposedly arrests felons (while giving a free pass to his wife and others, not to mention that crime is actually up during his tenure as Mayor, but hey, why let facts get in the way of a good sound-bite, right) while Walker hires them? Last time I checked, the Milwaukee PD Chief of Police is not an elected position, but rather under the direct purview of the City Council and Mayor's office, hence Barrett's responsibility!

Leave it to the koolaid drinking lefty liberals Dems to miscomprehend a clear as day point in Walker's television commercials!

Proof once again that Barrett and the Dems are targeting the low information, non-thinking voter!

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Bren

2:26 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012

Barrett doesn't hire incompetent staff, the ones I have worked with are extremely competent, capable people, let's keep it real. Is Mrs. Barrett a felon? I didn't know that, thanks for sharing. Surprising the media isn't all over that one. The info stream on police statistics has already been clarified, so there's no need to keep trying to promote the falsehood that Barrett drove those numbers. He had nothing to do with them, and the police union endorsed Walker. Let's keep it real, Mr. Hoffa!

Also, nice late "Rovian right-wing projection" entries; however, this strategy has been exposed along with the "manufactured crisis" strategy. Just saying. ; )

morninmist

10:45 am on Sunday, June 3, 2012

Imagine that--Walker and fans lying once again!

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2012/may/24/scott-walker/gov-walker-says-wisconsin-has-added-33200-jobs-he-/

Politiscoop contacted the BLS today for verification of the claim. It turns out to be one of Walker’s biggest lies to date. In a conversation with a BLS representative, we found that the state of Wisconsin submitted a new formula in regard to jobs created or lost in the state. [...]

The BLS said “The Bureau can not comment on the fourth quarter numbers because they haven’t been released. I can say that we would not have confirmed the numbers yet, but would only have confirmed the methods used.“

But without actual approval from BLS, Walker is still campaigning on that unconfirmed number, citing it as a statistic assessed by the BLS. Watch:

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James R Hoffa

1:05 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012

Steinberg, of BLS, made clear that "any state may release its data when ready and does not need to wait for BLS to release data."

Not to mention that all the emails that the Walker camp produced to Politifact from the BLS would appear to indicate that Walker is in fact telling the truth about an informal confirmation, but "BLS officials have chosen to stick with their policy of not commenting on any individual state’s data before they post the numbers for all 50 states on the federal agency’s website in late June 2012 -- weeks after the recall election, despite having already completed their review of the data."

Try again morninmist!

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Mike Dee

1:19 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012

@Morninmist, if the dem's are so ungodly holy why don't they make out a check for the damage they did at the capitol.have the 14 fleebaggers give back the checks they didn't earn hiding in Illinois, approve a mining bill that would have created700 very good paying union jobs up north and approve the Keystone pipeline which would have created 20,000 more jobs? Yep, their for the little guy alright. Good thing I don't smoke or I'd ask for some of what your smokin.

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Bren

2:40 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012

Mayor Barrett said the numbers couldn't be verified until after the election date. If the tables were turned, the Republicans would reject these jobs numbers. It skews the data comparison when the rules are changed mid-stream. When I have had to deal with this in the past, schemas original and revised formulae were presented including variance rationale as appropriate.

Mike Dee, the cost to the State Capitol was whatever was needed to mop the floors, remove some tape residue and signage. The $1.7 million or whatever Walker was claiming came from the same magical place (or orifice) as his "250,000 new jobs in my first term" campaign promise. Frankly I prefer to live in the reality-based world.

Concerning the Wisconsin 14, are you familiar with the term "telecommuting?" Let's keep it real.

The mining bill was deeply flawed, including mystical new definitions of key terminology (strong evidence that the mineral content of the soil of the proposed mine area contained potential toxins, contrary to GTAC and Walker administration reports) and weakening of environmental controls. The high-paying jobs were already given to out-of-staters, and there was no guarantee that most (or any) of the short-term contracting or 700-800 permanent jobs would be given to current Wisconsin residents. The mine isn't dead, just waiting for proper process.

When Obama refused to sign the Keystone project he told the company to resubmit, which they did within three weeks. Non issue.

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James R Hoffa

3:07 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012

@Bren -

See my above as to the jobs numbers controversy.

As to the cost of the state Capitol clean-up, the original number included the cost of the extra police and security details that were necessary because of all the email, phone, and shouted threats to GOP lawmakers. And as to Mr. Dee's original point, the occupiers never once offered to pay the actual clean up costs, did they? Contrast to the Tea Party events held around the Capitol - they clean up after themselves and cause no damage to the public property!

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James R Hoffa

3:07 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012

As to the Fleeing 14, their jobs required them to be in Madison to vote on behalf of all of their constituents, as they couldn't vote over the phone according to the official rules - not stay in IL for the benefit of a select special interest. Because they didn't return to vote when the vote was called, the voices of the people represented in those districts was recorded as being officially absent instead of 'nay.' That is not what Democracy looks like Bren, no matter how hard to try to spin it! Also, there was no public notice of their little caucus down in IL - a technical violation of the OML in and of itself, right?

As to the mining bill, you constantly ignore my request for an explanation as to how exactly state law could subvert the federal Clean Water Act and other federal environmental protections, if indeed the bill is as flawed for the environment as you claim it was. The fact of the matter is that the bill couldn't do away with any federal environmental laws/protections. Your arguments here are nothing but a giant red herring. Mayor Barrett, on the other is in clear violation of the CWA and is being fined every time the MMSD discharges raw sewage in Lake Michigan. But you ignore that - why? Are people who get their drinking water from the Lake less worthy of environmental protections than people who get their drinking water from a well in your world?

If you're asking others to be real, then please get real yourself first!

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Bren

5:25 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012

Mr. Hoffa, clean-up is clean-up. Security, etc. should not be included in the cost unless we are trying to ramp up the numbers? There was little damage to the state capitol. Tape residue, posters, a number of which went to the Historical Society. This was a grandstand attempt to portray the protesters as anarchists or something. (Remember the Fox video of the protest with palm trees in the background? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRcmeA1k-ik). This is all been debunked before. And frankly, the Tea/Koch/ALEC/GOPrs have a bit less impact. Finally, it's our State Capitol.

The reasons the Wisconsin 14 left was because a bill was being rubber stamped through that included information of which the general public was unaware, which you know but won't admit.

The mining bill was discussed at length by me and many others throughout the process. Your questions have been answered by me and others. Mayor Barrett's very limited involvement with MMSD (and the fact that MMSD is not in control of private piping/sewerage) has also been established here, more than once (and the fact that a three-phase improvement project is currently underway). You chose to take a hiatus and consequently missed much discussion.

Let's keep it real!

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Bren

2:45 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012

Sure. Except I thought Walker was the one bragging about "dropping the bomb" and "divide and conquer" strategies? Hm.

mainstreet

1:37 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012

This quote sums up the recall elections for me "The root cause of all problems is the very meddling that is done by the state. In a truly free society and free market, human ingenuity is able to flourish and the ensuing balance forms an evolutionary intelligence that far exceeds anything the "do - gooders" can come up with. The role of government should be restricted to maintaining property rights and enough law and order to allow people to go about their business without being violated. The "do - gooders" are the problem. The whole system, is geared to allow parasites to proliferate in greater numbers than nature would allow for reasonable system maintenance." - atarangi

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Bren

3:03 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012

Here's the money statement, "The role of government should be restricted to maintaining property rights and enough law and order to allow people to go about their business without being violated." This is what has become unbalanced. De-regulation and side-stepping, due to unadulterated greed have, in some cases, grossly interfered with the rights of people to go about their business without being violated. Not only does this include titans of commerce attempting vertical monopolization, virtual duopolization (AT&T & Verizon), but special interest groups (ALEC at the forefront) that have actual legislators in its membership that submit bills written by the organization and approved by corporate partners such as Koch Industries, Walmart, etc. game the system so that small businesses and individuals have a harder time than they should to find success (i.e. a level playing field).

It is true that a system in which corporate-based wealth has undue influence on government legislators that "parasitic proliferation" develops, i.e., corporate welfare, predatory business practices, etc. Where I disagree with atarangi is in the interpretation of parasite. The issue that we currently face, that of government not having "enough law and order" has created the second worst recession in U.S. history and increased the number of displaced workers (8.2% unemployment). This is a repercussion of imbalance, not parasitism.

Babykit

2:02 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012

Mr. "Hoffa" you post here alot and I am wondering if you are a minion of Scott Walker...perhaps on his emails that he refuses to acknowledge or release? Yes I am calling him exactly what he is: a liar and a thief. He hires felons, protects them and sits back and laughs at those like you who believe everything he says. Don't act like you are the only one with the answers, sir. You are right wing, you will protect everything Scott Walker says and does because you are a Republican. Just because I don't agree with you does not mean I am wrong.

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James R Hoffa

2:38 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012

@Trina -

While you're entitled to your own opinion, you're not entitled to your own FACTS. I present and argue the facts. And to answer your personal question of Hoffa, NO, I am not in any way connected to Scott Walker or his campaign.

Hoffa is just a concerned citizen, a well informed and independently thinking voter, and an all around good guy.

Have a great day!

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Bren

2:48 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012

No, Mr. Hoffa just enjoys a rousing debate, as do we all (why we're here). Patch Fight Club!

lu

4:05 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012

Off topic, so disappointed with the second debate hosted by Channel 12 Mike Gousha moderator. I just loved his class and style and the great job he always does on the TV show Upfront and being a great moderator in the past. I was sure someday he would be in the same league like Tim Russett and Tony Snow. I sure hope he doesn't begin to follow the likes of Maddow, Schultz, and Matthews by showing bias and favoritism towards a particular party.

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James R Hoffa

5:02 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012

I wish Gousha would have come out and asked Barrett outright if he'd raise taxes if elected, as he definitely wasn't shy about asking Walker about RTW legislation, was he?

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Bewildered

5:34 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012

Yea, but sure was better than the amateur hour debate last week on PBS. Moderator was weak, panelists awkward and it looked like it was filmed in a basement. But then, what can we expect from MPTV. Does anyone even watch MPTV anymore, other than Roadshow? MPTV totally gone down tubes sinces their power grab to eliminate volunteer Friends org that raised millions over last 40 years. pls be aware if you think your donating to Public TV, you're not. All donations action now go to MPTV owner MATC to cover college budget shortfalls, not to improve on air programming. Trust me, I know from whence I speak. It's become a huge scam.

Bren

5:05 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012

lu, it's the network niche market that drives the dialogue, how we get "the likes of Maddow, Schultz, and Matthews" as well as Hannity, O'Reilly, Malkin, Coulter, Limbaugh, Beck, et al. Beck lost his TV show which had high ratings but no more sponsors. Money talks.

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Bewildered

5:50 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012

Must kill you that Fox has twice the ratings of all the other cable news networks combined and that O'Reilly is BY FAR the top watched news show, including ALL the dying network news programs ( CBS, NBC and ABC). By the way, lost sponsors sure drove Rush off of radio.. He's stronger than ever, check the ratings. And his lost sponsors have all returned. Sponsors follow the ratings. Just ask Oberman

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Bren

8:01 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012

Bewildered, you didn't provide a link to back up your ratings numbers, but for the sake of argument I'll accept them (this time). My viewership will count amongst those Fox ratings (as I have shared before). I prefer to develop my opinions on fact, not my "gut." That requires time and effort.

A sharing moment: As someone who leans toward fiscal conservatism and social decency my ideals align quite well (I believe) with traditional Republican values. My view is that the Tea/ALEC/GOP, the extreme right fringe of the GOP has grabbed the reins of the cart. I know a number of Republicans who are very uncomfortable with this development.

Craig

8:32 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012

Brendan, that is a crap claim, if you had any stones you would admit it is BS. No way you are a fiscal conservative and social decency? WTF
I imagine anyone who was on the fence saw Jesse Jackass campaigning with the Ghetto mayor Barrett, and formed an opinion.

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Bren

8:59 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012

Greg, repetition #7, Not Brendan. I'll place "evidence" before "stones" in this circumstance. I'm satisfied that the alleged mother denies that Walker is the father of the baby, the detailed evidence specific to MU is interesting, but I believe it, and the accusation, are no longer germane.

I believe fiscal conservatism and social decency align well, remembering that this is our government and the first job of government is to serve our needs (why it is there). I believe in programs that lead to good futures and health for people in need, I further believe government could reduce costs in the healthcare area by developing a national health service for every American. I also believe in legislation that reduces earmarks and the influence of special interest groups. These types of shenanigans cost taxpayers a fortune and legislation that does not always reflect the view of a majority of citizens. What you hopefully read into this is my ardent desire for a return to common sense and balance. Our Constitution is a marvelous document, our system of government is well designed. The problem lies in personalities that get into politics, not solely for love of country, but out of opportunism. Financial benefits, personal power, imposition of religious beliefs--these ambitions hinder our government and waste money. At every level.

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Greg

9:13 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012

Brendan, I think you lost count and now you are on #7 and I was on #6.
OOps, I guess we're even now.

James R Hoffa

8:50 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012

CHUCK NORRIS STANDS WITH WALKER!!!

'Nuff said!

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$$andSense

9:31 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012

As a guy, I can understand the standing part when it comes to peeing (please wipe the spray off the wall and floor). But does Walker and his "standing" supporters also stand when they poop or just smell like old age home residents with diapers? Pride has a price. Just sayin'.

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$$andSense

9:37 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012

And if this site had smell available, the odor would likely be overbearing with all the human s--t posted on it.Don't know what a lib/cons/dem/rebub smells like as they are not allowed past the property line at my residence.

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Bucky

10:54 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012

@hoffa ...
If you don't like the link that I posted why don't give Scott Walker a call and ask him if the story is true or not ? Why don't you give Scott Walkers mother a call and ask her if the story is true or not ? Why don't you give Scott Walkers wife a call and ask her if the story is true or not ? Or what don't you call Matt or Alex and ask them if the story is true or not ? Mr Hoffa I don't write the stories I only read them.

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James R Hoffa

11:02 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012

@Bucky -

Umm.... even the lemmings over on the Daily Kos have admitted that this is a bogus story. You're either a little late to the party or didn't get the memo.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/06/03/1096950/-Woman-Denies-Walker-Fathered-Baby-JSO-Reporter-Daniel-Bice

Next time, you may want to try a news source other than Harvey Levin or the National Inquirer!

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Bewildered

11:24 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012

All, here's a look at the real Buckey/ReCall !. I repost the following from the Patch editorial staff to Buckey ( that's what ReCall was calling himself then):

"Bucky, you are treading on thin ice. I have spent far too much of my time today on the phone with upset readers and with the police, who wanted to know who you are. Please dial it all back by several notches. I don't care that you don't own the guns, I don't want to hear about it at all. Keep to the subject or you will be banned. Patch cannot afford the kind of publicity you are giving us. This is a private business that provides a public forum. You attacked Gov. Walker's wife and children and you use profanity in your comments. Those comments were deleted, and any more comments involving the threat of violence or personal attacks will result in your being banned from our sites."

Buckey, ReCall ! or whatever you're calling yourself now, your excuse of "don't write em, just report em" holds absolutely no water. You started spewing your crap this morning 6 hours AFTER the Dailey Kos blogger 100% retracted his orig story that you took such great glee in spreading. You, sir, are full of it and a proven repeated liar on Patch. You don't duck responsibility for spreading your crap that easily.

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Bucky

5:49 am on Monday, June 4, 2012

Bewildered try to come up with something a little more original , you just make yourself sound like a Patch Puppet. As far as me being a liar ... Walkers the liar. I think that your very confused here. Try growing some balls. Now i know why you call yourself " Bewildered " maybe you should change it to " Coma " .

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Bewildered

6:35 am on Monday, June 4, 2012

Bucket/ReCall or whatever, you are one very mean spirited, sick and not very smart individual.

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Bucky

5:17 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012

Got the story , posted and left for the day, didn't arrive home till late in the evening.

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Bewildered

5:24 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012

Hey Bucket, calling BS on your latest "excuse" for being an idiot.

Bucky

6:17 am on Monday, June 4, 2012

@Hoffa ... Follow the story line James and I think if you keep on reading on you may find that the entire story has not been retracted. The woman that gave the account was a fellow student, the woman that had the child may want to stay anonymous. That doesn't change the true of the story line of what the fellow student is saying . Like I said if you want to find out the real truth give Walker a call. Personaly I believe the story, if you and your other puppets on here don't that's your choice.

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Bewildered

6:49 am on Monday, June 4, 2012

Still making stuff up. Keep ignoring the facts. Now you are calling the Kos retraction a lie? Hey, in case you can't figure it out on your own, Kos is on your side, dummy. What a tool.

Here's an idea, why don't you call your mom and ask her what she thinks of your actions? Actualy, you don't need to call, just go upstairs from your parents basement where you live and ask her. Bet she'll even cook breakfast for you. She must be soooo proud of your foul mouth.

PS: and why did you change your name from Buckey? Did you really think you could fool anyone?

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Greg

12:41 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012

I banged ReCall's mom back in 1988. She had an abortion but it must have lived.

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Bucky

3:34 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012

@Bewildered ... I wasn't there and either were you but the young lady was. People that are present at events are a part of history. I didn't write the article. Take it for what its worth. Either you can believe it or not that's your choice.

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Bucky

3:38 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012

Greg

If you banged my mother back in 1988 that meant that you had to dig up her corpse. She had passed away long before that. Tells me what a perverted sick person you are. Have you banged any other dead people latly that you would like to tell us all about ?

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Bucky

5:21 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012

Both of my parents passed away many years ago. Shows how clueless you really are. In fact for a dollar more I could have been your father .

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Bucky

6:18 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012

@Bewildered ... Where you just born plain stupid or have you been practicing all of your life ? Amazing how cowards like you can hide on a computer and and talk so stupid with the same old chit everyday. Get a life !

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Bucky

6:25 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012

@Bewildered ... Do you really think that I give a rats ass if I get banned from Patch ?
I'm only on here for shits and grins, and playing with people that have simple minds like you. Really you have to be kidding me.One jerk of your chain and you go physco. I bet you have kicked your dog so many times that it looks like a rug. Humor me some more please.

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Greg

8:06 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012

She was not the best that I've had, but to call her a corpse goes a little far. Come to think of it she was a little more dirty than I like, but it was a long time ago and I may have been drunk.

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Bewildered

8:08 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012

Ya OK! Stupid is as stupid does

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Bucky

8:39 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012

@Greg ... Well Greg you do have several choices here. You can continue to have sex with your mother. Hang out at the farm with the sheep and horses. Stick with your hand or go to the funeral homes and get to the men before the mortician arrives.

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Greg

9:07 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012

The fly on the water buffalo's back thinks he is taller than the water buffalo.

Tosa720

8:05 am on Monday, June 4, 2012

I found the endorsement by Chuck Norris to be very amusing. Who would pay any credence to his endorsement of any candidate? Chuck Norris once described himself as "the shy kid who never excelled at anything in school." . So he fell in love with karate and that was all he knew. Over 70 now, he is nothing more than an uneducated washed up movie martial arts figure who once got help from George Bush to start a karate gym, and went on in later years to have others write his "story". How egotistical of him to think that his endorsement of Walker would ever change anything.- unless the GOP is going after the only folks impressed with bad actors. His opinion is just so much dust in the wind.

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James R Hoffa

12:26 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012

Chuck Norris is an American icon and a symbol of everything that is right about this country.

That is more than I can say for the guy that was stumping for Barrett on Friday - Mr. perjury is my middle name Clinton!

I guess it makes sense that the Democrats would prefer a LIAR to an American icon, seeing as how Barrett has based his entire campaign on nothing more than LYING about Scott Walker.

Yeah, the contrast is clear as far as endorsements go, isn't it?

Tosa720

8:14 am on Monday, June 4, 2012

One other note here: democrats are not desperate - while we would like to see Tom Barrett elected so Wisconsin can de-tox from the bad reputation Walker has given our State, we all know that it is just a matter of time until he is indicted and then arrested for his crimes. Not only are State officials close to making an indictment, but Federal officials are methodically gathering their evidence as well. Walker is ever so busy doing "a Nixon" as best he can, but all will be revealed in months to come. He started out being a schemer / conniver while at Marquette and nothing has changed. The crooked leopard has not changed his spots.

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morninmist

8:33 am on Monday, June 4, 2012

I will be out canvassing again in smaller towns. I have met lots of Democrats who are very enthusiastic about voting on Tuesdays. Hope you and your fiends and neighbors can go door to door and met with folks to help GOTV for Barrett and other Democrats.

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James R Hoffa

12:20 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012

Proof that Barrett supporters don't believe in innocence until proven guilty in a court of law - except for Democrats of course!

So, I guess that if anyone in your family or that you ever worked with has been charged and convicted of a crime, that automatically makes you guilty of committing some kind of crime as well, right?

And you guys call yourselves the real Americans - ha!

REALLY???

Shayna C

8:50 am on Monday, June 4, 2012

This recall election is a joke. We voted Scott Walker in to do his job. He's doing a great one at that. He will be ”re-elected”. Who really cares if he has an ”unclaimed” child- and yes that artical is NOT credible. That is from when he was in college. A far cry from his character 20+ years later. For all of the countless hours the dems have put into volunteering for this crap, they could have cleaned up a lot of our highways and done the public some good... But they want everything given to them for free- so I suppose actually working, isn't really in their best interest. I STAND WITH WALKER... Our state and this country will fall apart with Barrett... I hope everyone realizes that and gets out to vote for the right person.

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Tosa720

10:28 am on Monday, June 4, 2012

I am NOT a republican but sometimes a democrat, however, your assessment and stereotyping of democrats is very much incorrect - I, for one, and all of the friends that I have that profess to be democrats do NOT want "everything for nothing". Every one of them work and work hard and earn a good living. Most have achieved a good education with quite a few continuing their education beyond a 4 year college degree. They are open-minded, analyze and think things through with logic. They are achievers in their workplace and many own and operate their own businesses. They earn more than decent pay, and - to their credit - contribute to society as taxpayers as well as make contributions to many charitable organizations. They are honest and positive people who want an open, honest, and better government in our State. They are appalled at the "divide and conquer" tactics designed to hurt or disenfranchise. They are not prone to being confrontational. I wish I could say the same for many I know who profess to be staunch republicans - in recent years, most of those I know have become angry, disgruntled, self-serving, confrontational people who seem to gain far too much satisfaction when they are able to degrade others who are not republicans. This never was in earlier times. Republicans were reasonable and well-intentioned, and there were reasonable exhanges made - all of that has become a thing of the past ever since the tea party politicians intimidated the Republican Party.

Tosa720

1:04 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012

Chuck Norris and American ICON??? To whom? I almost wet my pants on that one. Maybe for the WWW - RAW wrestling crowd or those who favor bad action movies about karate.. Norris was a bad actor who knew only one thing - karate moves. Let's talk about an icon - it could be a symbol used on the computer, or a religious figure of great renown, or a cultural icon as defined by Wikipedia:
A cultural icon can be a symbol, logo, picture, name, face, person, building or other image that is readily recognized and generally represents an object or concept with great cultural significance to a wide cultural group. A representation of an object or person, or that object or person may come to be regarded as having a special status as particularly representative of, or important to, or loved by, a particular group of people, a place, or a period in history.
In the media, many well-known manifestations of popular culture have been described as "iconic". Some writers say that the word is overused. When it comes to Norris, this is a real stretch. And, when it comes to lies - Walker is the latest known to hold the corner on the market......He was recently tagged as the most untruthful governor in the nation.

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Greg

1:21 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012

Yep, Governor Walker has been tagged a lot of things, in this bogus recall. Barrett would be tagged too, but we get to go after him on merit. Since your side has nothing to promote you simply revert to tagging. It shows a mentality of a low life gang member. congrats.

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Lyle Ruble

1:44 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012

@Tosa720...Don't take Hoffa seriously about Norris. I have followed him for some time and he'll write things just to get a rise out of someone. You're better off just chuckling and watch who takes the bait.

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Lyle Ruble

1:46 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012

@Greg...It'll be all over tomorrow and we can move on to something else to fight about. No matter who wins, things will change very little. November is the "Big Show". The recall is only the opening act.

Alfred

1:52 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012

Goofball Gwen Moore's poem is real entertainment. Watch this no talent ass clown dressed up like a Christmas tree embarrass all of you Democrats:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w95O2snV430

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Alfred

1:55 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012

A poem lacking rhyme, alliteration, assonance, meter and devoid of any metrical patterns, ah yes Gwen Moore, representing Milwaukee and Milwaukee Public Schools. Which one of you MPS thugs educated this buffoon? North Division High school must be so proud.

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Tosa720

2:11 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012

Gwen's poem was meant to be entertainment and fun for the crowd - she brought her message through via a lighter side and it was participatory fun for the crowd too ....Never heard anyone laugh or enjoy themselves at a republican rally. So sad - the GOP needs to take the round hairbrush out and lighten up.... it doesn't matter how she dresses - it certainly doesn't affect you. you always take everything to such a personal level. That shows just so much bad taste.....

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Satori

2:31 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012

For a drunken troll, you really take yourself seriously Al. Lighten up. Smile once.....and stop yelling at the neighbor kids when they run across your lawn.

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Greg

2:34 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012

"We don't want ya no mo"
Oh now I get the joke, it's funny to be uneducated. No wonder her son ended up being a criminal.

Alfred

2:19 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012

A fine product of MPS, everytime she opens her cake hole she helps our side, keep her out there with the 'poems'.

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