I've dealt with many members of the Beta family, and all I can say is im shocked. This group of young men have help my non-profit on many occasions. I have yet to EVER have a problem with any of them. As a matter of fact my daugter will be attending college next year and her top choice was Carroll. Now when she hears about this she may reconsider. She has also worked with some of the Beta men. Between this and that stupid wall stunt that Carroll allowed, I say that school is going down hill fast!

Corruptive administration running by loathsome and prejudice individuals... Bringing in a group of white boys call themselves the "Pi lambda" trying to eliminate prejudice by exhibiting the most racist wall... Kicking out the most diversity and the oldest national fraternity... This school is disgusting!

Beta has caused nothing but issues, including druggings of students and rape, disruptive parties and has been nothing but a disgrace to other betas around the united states

This is not the first time Beta has been suspended at Carroll, And Beta has been involved in these activities at their parties. That my friends is what beta is about, drugging students to get in there pants and dealing drugs to students

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Well Billy, where do you get your news from? Rapes and druggings? Pull some police reports and gather your facts before opening your mouth. Oh and parties at a frat house, thats unheard of.

Beta is not about "drugging people to get into their pants". They are about service. These men volunteer more than any other greek org on campus. They are out there every weekend picking up trash on the side of the roads and they do so much for the Waukesha community. It's false accusations like those above that have given these men a bad name. If people would look at their actions as opposed to preconceived notions, we wouldn't be having these problems.

Really Billy.....please provide a police report or some real evidence to back up your claims. These lies have been going around campus for the last few years and some of this is coming from staff at the school. There is an organization at the university that had an issue with this in the past...but it was not the Beta fraternity

Carroll also fails to mention the boys brought a number of prospective advisers to be approved only for the advisers to be talked out of signing for them or found the adviser did not meet standards set by Carroll. The men of Beta Pi Epsilon contribute continuously to the community and removing them from Carroll will only effect the school and surrounding community negatively. They volunteer their time to a number of organizations that would all suffer from their absence. People that are not apart of Greek life have no idea the importance it plays in the lives of people apart of it. I am in a sorority here on campus and I owe who I have become largely to my organization. Greek life makes someone grow in ways no one expects it to. I have become a stronger leader, much more organized, much more driven, and confident because of my sorority. Not to mention it makes me want to be an all-around better person because I do not represent just myself but a group of highly esteemed women that I do not want to disappoint. This is the same thing that Beta Pi Epsilon does for this group of men. They are held to a higher standard, and let down more than just themselves when something doesn't go right. I am close friends with every one of those men and have watched each one grow into stronger, more driven people because of being a part of Beta Pi Epsilon. Removing them from campus is a huge mistake.

Also, Billy, there are no other Betas around the united states... Beta Pi Epsilon is a local fraternity, meaning there are no other chapters. Again, please check your facts before you post.

Billy, do you personally know any of those young men you are accusing of rape? Have you met any girl claiming to be raped? Have you yourself been to that house and witnessed these events? If these events were to have happened they would have been booted a long time ago. Spreading rumors is a juvenile tactic, have you thought about the peoples lives you are impacting with these words?

lol BILLY BILLY BILLY your existence will gladly be ignored by us due to your lack of intelligence

So what are the requirements for an adviser and why hasn't one been found?

Okay Lets talk about real issues and not silly allegations. Billy you obviously know nothing.

I'm fairly certain Carroll has no ownership over the Beta house, so I'm not sure how Pi Lambda could take it over without the Betas selling it. No matter the amount of community service these guys do will counteract the fact that they have a shady reputation on campus, and can't get an adviser. Community service doesn't make a group automatically credible and upstanding. Beyond that, there is nothing saying they can't still exist as Betas, they just won't be affiliated with the university. I think it is a smart choice for Carroll to cut ties for now. Hopefully that will serve as a wake up call for the guys to get rid of their bad reputation, and start fresh again at Carroll once they recommit to and live by the values the organization was founded on.

Really this is what these guys are getting suspended for "not having an adviser" that is absolutely repulsive and "shady reputation" look at the amount of people that have there backs compared to the amount of people that do not for example, these post there are only 2 people who are against the betas and who's to say their not members of carroll.

Yes please let us hear these examples? (with proof)

That is not fair at all for you to judge those young men over at that house based off of false accusation that cannot be proved by Carroll! They have done everything the school has wanted to change and be in good terms with them. The new members have only positively changed their fraternity! They do much more than volunteer! They have tried to get numerous advisors but everytime they get a willing advisor, the administration talks them out of it! That is a fact. If they cant come back on campus why is it stated they are suspended indefinately? Why don't they give them a certain date when they can be an active fraternity again? In my eyes it looks like carroll has turned into a school of racism. The Betas are the most divers group on carroll campus and i find it ironic they get the boot shortly after the Pi Lambs put up the wall of prejudice? is anyone noticing what i am here...

Also, I thought the school was suppose to assign fraternities and sorrorites an advisor? In my understanding, it's the school that failed to appoint them one, not the Beta's.

Greek life at Carroll as a whole has been really putting their best food forward and we have been proving to the school and community that we belong here. We do more for the school than any other organization, and the Betas are no different. Nobody has been raped or drugged by a Beta, maybe they were by another Carroll student, but none of the Betas would do that. They have been working so hard to shake off the bad reputation that so many people associate with Greek life and they keep getting kicked by the school. They do so much good, they recruit fantastic men, and yet they still are not considered 'up to standards.' What will closing the chapter for a few years do? Absolutely nothing. Because they already are on the right track. What more can they do to please the school? They have been bending over backwards trying to please Carroll in recent years and have gotten nothing in return.

This is incredibly unfortunate for the fraternity, but this might finally expose Carroll's administration for some of the corrupt, prejudicial, and antagonistic things they do. Minus the violence, the narcissistic leadership employs a virtual carbon copy of facist rule, fueled by insecurity and a need for control that is common in diminutive leaders.

Facist groups act as if they are open to differences, but ultimately abuse power to exclude differing races, ethnicities and beliefs. To avoid detection, they create interference and confusion and draft propaganda to sully reputations of those they dislike. It needs not be true to do damage, as a carefully placed accusation is all it takes to brand one's reputation.

Carroll's leadership wants Beta alumni, the public and its students to believe the fraternity is bad. If any of their allegations are true, they warrant proof. If you believe them without it, you are setting others up for elimination too. Higher ed seems to believe they are above reproach and will lie to justify their agenda. (See PSU)

This is about control, and the two-faced string puller with Napoleonic tendencies craves it. The last one overstepped too, and was pushed out. He isn't the only one that needs to be ousted. I hope journalists dig deep here, as this is merely a lynch pin into something bigger. Don't be surprised to see this explode into a cloud that includes romantic nepotism, scandal, discrimination, and cover up.

Honestly, it's all talk, I do not have any evidence you're looking for. But a reputation isn't based on fact, it's based on what people say. I see the DRs and Pi Lambda more than I've ever seen the Betas on campus, and I've heard more about Beta parties than anyone else. Besides that, campus orgs are held to certain requirements and standards to be an org and be recognized by the school. If you don't have an adviser, don't have enough members, don't go to enough required meetings by student activities, miscalculate your budget, don't volunteer or have enough campus events--all are reasons to have the org disbanded by the school. Every org runs has to meet those requirements, not just greek life. Everyone has to be kept to the same rules. Then again you don't have to be recognized by the school to consider yourself an org---you just can't get money or publicity from the school. I'm not against the betas--I can't say that I think highly of them, but I also don't really know any of them.

Beta Pi Epsilon has a whopping 2.0 GPA and a 15 page document of all of the bad things THEY HAVE BEEN CAUGHT FOR in the past 3 years. They were suspended Fall of '09 because of a sexual assault. They were suspended fall of '11 for hazing allegations. Most of their community service was done because of university sanctions. They continue to be 'party central' for the University.

The only reason they are even around is because their alumni donate lots of money. No other fraternity with such a horrid record of conduct has lasted so long.

I think it is clear why they won't get an advisor.

Origami,
I am a Carroll alum and frankly I am disgusted by the way Carroll is acting upon these men. I've been reading the news papers and keeping up with Carroll and it seems to me that the faculty staff has been corrupt.

Origami,
As I read this article I gave my grandson a call ( a Carroll student) and asked if the betas deserved to be kicked off of campus and he said I quot "No the betas have not thrown a single party this year, kinda disappointed but there doing well".

Ok wow.... there was no sexual assualt in 09......they were suspended because of allegations of hazing but never proven. This year because of a lack of an advisor... please get your facts straight before you accuse them. They treat women with respect and do a great amount of community service. And their g.p.a shot up from a 2.0 to a 2.7 in one semester so tell me they're not trying! Good job boys keep your head up!

I cannot speak for everyone in the community or school. I applaud the efforts the Betas had made to try and correct the reputation that has developed! It isn't easy to change and that may not be entirely their fault. Just as with anything or person, one bad instance can have a huge impact. I really do believe that a clean start could be really beneficial though. Give the group a chance to step back, reorganize, and start fresh. My older sister is a proud member of greek life in a national organization, so I do understand what a positive impact it can have on people.

If the issue is partying, then I think the sports teams should be looked at before the fraternities. Those houses are loud, obnoxious, and gather unwanted attention. But nobody cares about punishing the athletes. The Betas are trying their best to undo the stereotype for fraternities being associated with partying.

This "carroll student" must have some major daddy issues or no friends. Seriously, waukesha PD have only been to the house over "noise complaints" never a party. People can easily get intoxicated in the dorms and just say they came from that house its as easy as that. There are parties every where but yet the fact that they have a house like that they're seen as a target for most people. And I've even hosted a movie night there when cops came over for a noise complaint. People need to grow up and understand these guys are making changes for the better. Giving back to the community and becoming better men every day.

Reading through these comments has made me more and more discusted with the Waukesha community. I can guarantee that over half of the rude comments were made by individuals who have never personally even met a member of beta. They truly are good people and deserve a fair chance just like the rest of us. Those of you who do not agree are obviously very narrow minded and should not even be voicing an opinion. Being a Carroll student, I have had the PLEASURE of meeting ALL of the betas and can sincerely say they are good people. And all that nonsense about parties? Who cares. It's college numb nuts.

I think everyone needs to see the situation from someone else' perspective.

I can see why the university would decide to suspend the Betas, it may be from their records...I'm not saying that the current Betas are bad guys but in the past, they may not have made the best choices. Also, the university might have decided that to use them as an example to prove that there is one reason students are at Carroll in the first place; and that is to study and get a degree. After all, Carroll is currently under a lot of speculation after the wall. I don't know much about any of their gpas, but if it is low, I would assume that proving to the university that they can do better, would be a good place to start. I think the past history has more to do with the problem then many people would think. When I first came to Carroll, I was told stories about frat houses all the time, not to mention with keg races in the morning for spring fling...didn't exactly change an image for frats at Carroll.

As for the supporters of Beta, the frat is bound to come back sometime. That doesn't mean tomorrow or next fall, but I'm sure in the future, Carroll would like to make a new lawn again, and they're going to have to get funds somewhere. Also, the current members of Beta are great guys and I know how much they help out in the community and on campus. I think that everyone just has to take this as a lesson learned and work together to still help improve their image.

When was the last time you saw a keg race???? 3 years ago?

And pretty sure the keg races were always hosted by the carroll university football team.... not saying they're bad guys because they're not.. just saying get your facts straight, get to know a beta on a personal level before you judge them ad correct me if I'm wrong I thought knocking down that wall of prejudice did something but looking at this I guess not. I love all the fraternities on campus and have buddies in each on but whatever grudge you have just let it go and move on.

And I've seen it from mulitple perspectives and still proud to know these betas

I have nothing against any of the Greeks at Carroll, I was simply pointing out that Carroll had a lot of negative light put on them from what the public thought about the wall, and that therefore could be a reason for the university to take harsh actions against them. I personally thought the wall was a good idea, however it seemed that the public weren't fans of it. Carroll is probably just trying to get its reputation back and using them as an example.

For being a "Carroll student" you sure have a lot of information. So the university is making them an example but they're fine with the prejudice wall which was done by the Pi Lams ( who have not one minority student) and all you are bringing up is GPA's which i'm sure can is not correct. When was the last time you heard of a party?? oh did you say the beginning the year??. Okay so the fact of the matter is these boys are suspended for "not having an adviser" this is truly ridiculous. the things I have read about Carroll this year has been sickening.
Beta Pi Epsilon is getting suspended for NOT finding an adviser with it the week... does anyone else not find that a bit ridiculous.

ironic that the wall was mad as a way to teach about prejudice yet kicking out the most diverse group in Greek Life and calling them "trouble" and "bad guys" isn't racist.

And you mentioned that carroll wants a new lawn?? Are ya kidding me! Have you seen the overflow parking lot? They should stop wasting money and increasing tuition because of the waste of money. I'm sure if they get all the greek organizations together including the beta's they could come up with an effective way to raise money to make the campus look better.

Earl,
I am currently a junior at Carroll and I commute everyday. You do not have to tell me that they need a new parking lot- I already know they do. I was simply poking fun at how the university spends our tuition and donations that they receive.

Also, the school doesn't fund greek life at all. The only thing we get is a budget from student senate (the same as all other orgs on campus). This pays only for things that benefit all students on campus, such as on campus events. That budget comes from the activity fee that all students pay which senate then allocates to orgs. Cutting them doesn't do anything to gain funds for the school.

So how is using an organization with as much history as Beta Pi Epsilon making a positive example to the students? Beta has been a part of Carroll for almost 2/3 of the university's history. The fraternity is at the base of Carroll's roots. It has been creating virtuous gentlemen for 106 years. Why stop the organization from being able to continue this tradition? It would be counter-productive to get rid of such an influential and positive organization that is Beta Pi Epsilon.

Wow, I am a member of the Greek System and I can honestly say this is the most embarrassing display I have seen yet. It is pathetic that none of you can accept a difference of opinion and show everybody on the internet that we can't act as a mature group of people. This is why we deserve to lose one of our own. This is why we don't deserve any of the support we get.

The sheer fact that nobody is owning up to their mistakes (like all of us sorority girls that defend beta because WE PARTY THERE EVERY WEEKEND or are DATING BETAS) and beta once again won't admit that they messed up really bad this time shows that they deserve it. What is going to change next year?

Every year it is the same garbage. Huge party the night Freshmen move in, so they can rush guys. Highlighter party the night before they have them sign the stupid contract to join beta. 8 weeks of pledging, 1 week of hell. Parties every weekend during pledging, make the pledges clean up. No matter how much they get in trouble with police or the school it will never change, until they wait 4 years and start over.

The only reason people are defending them is because they don't want to lose their party central

Sounds like the same stories over and over.... never been in trouble with the police, when was the last time you even heard of a party? I'm embarrassed that your in the greek system... greek should be helping each other out not hurting.... maybe we should make in example out of you.

Accusing an organization of stealing money is a pretty harsh thing to say with out any documented facts to prove it happened.

And you know what get your facts straight they had a shirt fundraiser to make money for insurance, had culvers night to raise money for cerebal palsey and donated to multiple causes and received thank you letters from everyone one. Just cause they don't go around flaunting it doesn't mean they aren't making a difference...

There was not a party at beta two weeks ago I can assure you that

Dear Anonymous Greek,

Your comments are not only untrue, but make you look foolish. Making fun of the Greek system-that you are in!?! This Greek life is a family, and clearly you have not made that connection that so many of us have. We are defending these men because they are good people, strong leaders, and still deserve to be part of this Greek community.

FALSE! When was the last time they had a culvers night? fall 10 only time they raised money thru culvers.. fact...

I also know for a fact they did not use funds from a culvert night to cover Greek council dues

That is false. Why would they do that? Greek counsel dues are cheap as hell... I think this fraternity can easily pay for one or two reps on greek council out of their own pocket. When you have proof, present it. But you don't.

The only pathetic thing here is Anon Greek not knowing the truth.

Anon Greek if you are in a Greek org why is your name "a non Greek"

Average amount for greek council dues are about $30 the least u can make at culvers is 200... I know because my organization just had one last week... like I said come at us with facts not assumptions because right noe you're making the greek system look really bad and should brush up on your greek education

They go through horrible things? Prove it? When they were accused of hazing the allegations were proven to be false. Grow up.

Lets get back to the facts, the school has signs of racism with a corrupt administration. It is obvious and the evidence is on the table.

I have seen nothing but change from the active chapter this past semester. It is so easy to say that you came from Beta house, when in reality you are just covering up for your friends. People will say the first thing that comes to their head, which will be all of the bad rumors they heard, and parties that have happened prior to this year. Because Beta has had a bad reputation in the past, the rumors that have built up couldn't be further from the truth. On top of that, why would you want to lose a part of your community? Wouldn't you rather see them actually have the chance to improve? Carroll also said it was an "indefinite suspension". Last time I checked, indefinite means that there is not a set amount of time. So who are you claiming that you know they will restart in 4 years? If the organization is showing the university that it is improving and remaining to be an active part of the community, why would they not get a chance to keep operating as an organization?

Jesus christ..... what's your name anon greek. Pretty sure something bad happened in your past? What a girl you liked leave you for a beta? Unless you can come up with facts that are even close to somewhat reasonable id keep my thoughts to myself...

This is Alex Sutherland (current President of Beta Pi Epsilon). These comments have not come from Beta Pi Epsilon Active members. The argument has now turned into beating a dead horse. On behalf of the "suspended" Active Chapter, I would like to say that before any accusations are made of either Beta Pi Epsilon, or Carroll Administration it is only fair for all the FACTS to be shared. Please refrain from slander of both organizations, for it does not make either side look good. Thank you for your support and any further positive and appropriate support.

And goodnight :)

UP the Grades, and then you might find an advisor, right now who wants to be an academic advisor to a crew who are nearly all failing?

"Party Central" is how a lot of people are putting it on here. I have pleaded for some of my friends not to go to Beta parties because of their reputation. They were previously suspended for sexual assault and that is the time they got caught. I wouldn't trust that house. Who knows? Maybe there are a couple of good kids there, with good intentions, but come on people you ALL know they just host the parties! They may do the bare minimum, and it just wasn't cutting it for the school! For those of you that 'blame' the school, call the administration 'racist'... GET REAL, my god I am embarrassed to go to a school with people that would blame a private University in 2012 for being racist. BETA sucked as a fraternity, they messed up, plain and simple. Now either you can cry,whine,blame,accuse, or belittle.... or you can turn that fraternity around, actually follow your mission statement... and get your ACT together.

Carroll's administration figures that if they do things like belittle the fraternity, it will potentially not turn off their extremely wealthy alumni base from donating. The members of that fraternity did not become so successful by accident, and call me crazy, but I'm going to venture a guess that they'll not so quickly believe Herstad. If you do some history, you may find that the fraternity has turned out some of the most successful alumni in the school's long history. If I'm a betting man, the biggest blow to Carroll will come in the pocketbooks. WIth new buildings planned, and woefully inadequate facilities for much of the athletic department and a severe lack of classroom space, the school cannot afford to turn off potential big-time donors.

Of course, the actions of facist narcissists tends to lead to recklessness and overestimating one's intelligence in matters of direction and policy. When you anger your alumni base, when you belittle and harrass students, when you promise the world but fail to deliver, when you violate every branch of professional ethics possible in education, karma can be a very unpleasant female dog.

Best case scenario for the administration in this is that they win and the frat is cut, but they suffer irreparable damage to their public image, as the process used to oust the Beta's will expose an awful lot. Worst case scenario is a domino process of retribution for their actions, and toppling a lot of people there.

After reading the above comments I have realized one thing, everyone seems to be arguing the same points and all appear to have the same amount of information about Beta Pi Epsilon. As cliché as it may sound, one point to keep in mind is to never judge a book by its cover. Everyone has their own opinion of Beta Pi Epsilon, whether it is good or bad, it is still an opinion. If you want legitimate facts about Beta Pi Epsilon, its members, their grades, their parties etc., it would be best to go directly to the source and find out for yourself. As a female Carroll graduate and non-Greek, I have had my own experiences and thoughts about the gentlemen of Beta Pi Epsilon. For the first three and a half years of my time at Carroll I was as closed minded about the Beta Pi Epsilon fraternity as the next person because of all the rumors I had heard. I had been told numerous times how dangerous it was at the Beta house, and to not go there because the guys are known for drugging and raping women. These rumors have been around for quite some time and year after year they continue because there are people, like myself, who have been given wrong information. Not until my senior year did I have the opportunity to meet and get to know the gentlemen of Beta Pi Epsilon, and that was with the encouragement of my friends!

After meeting the guys and actually taking the time to get to know and find about the fraternity and its members, I realized how wrong I had been to listen to the opinion of others. I have gotten to know all of the current guys and a lot of the alumni and have not once felt disrespected or worried about my safety. These guys are as hard working as the next fraternity or sorority but they have also been dealt the unfortunate hand of having to deal with past rumors, and struggles that were brought upon them prior to their acceptance into Beta. I have heard and seen all the effort that these gentlemen have been putting into their fraternity in order to regain some respect from their peers and the Carroll Faculty. No, volunteering and fundraising doesn’t fix past matters, but it does prove that the members of Beta Pi Epsilon are putting the right foot forward in an attempt to create a better view of themselves on campus and in the community. But as I said, this is my opinion, and everyone has their right to their own, but I suggest that before you make assumptions and false accusations, you take the time to get to know the members of Beta Pi Epsilon.

I hung out at Beta before I was a part of the Greek system, I hang out with the DR's as well. Yes I may spend much more time with the Beta's and DR's than I do with any other males on this campus but that comes with Greek life and the decision I made to be a part of it. They are who I know most because we have events together, go to leadership conferences together, and Greek retreat together. The Pi Lambs are still so new to Greek life I understand how you could not possible know the bonds that are formed even outside of your own org, I hope someday you do but it is the attitude of many of your members that need to be adjusted before you get the kind of support we are giving to the Betas. You have just entered into a family that has been established long before you were here and it is this attitude you have that makes it hard for any of us to want to give you a chance to be a part of it.

If any of the people who are using these words of slander against my fraternity, I would like to take this time, I am more than willing to meet with you to try and figure out where these rumors started. If the problem is to be fixed, especially a problem like this, I need to know where these thoughts have come from and who provoked them. I feel that it takes more courage to come and talk with me rather than slander and bad mouth one of the most important things in my life that I will ever have. So if you would like to meet and discuss these topics of the past, current, or future please feel free to find me on Facebook or around campus.

Alex Sutherland
Active President
Beta Pi Epsilon

I would have to say that the positive things that the Carroll Greek Community have done over the past 3-4 years far out weigh any negative. Thousands of dollars have been raised for charities, hundreds of community service hours. Yes the "Wall" turned out bad because of the immaturity of Carroll students, honestly who is offend by Muggle & Mutt but people learn from mistakes and I'm sure the Pi Lambs will get it right next time. The current actives in these Greek Orgs are not the same people 5 years ago, so for people judging these orgs on events that happened when most of these actives weren't even in junior high is dumb. Fraternities are not the only groups that throw parties on weekends and I don't think the Beta's have had police called on them for having a party or Delta all year. Since my freshmen year I have seen huge changes in greek life here at Carroll and it is obvious that they are trying to put their bad past behind them. Even though I never wanted to be a part of greek life I'm not going to sit here and bash them, it's obvious that the best 6 student organizations at Carroll are the fraternities and sororities, they are up there with the clubs pertaining to majors.

The word is now that the Beta's are planning on joining the Pi lambs, is this true?

No both of those rumors are false.

Wait hold up a sec.. so the founder of the Pi Lams is currently dating a student Org administrator?
Mathew states a valid point. shouldn't there be rules against that? To me that seems a little bias wouldn't you say. So basically the decisions that are being made are flawed and wouldn't be "for the best interest of the Betas" but the best interest of the Pi Lams. I'm just saying that seems a little unfair for those guys over at beta.

I understand the whole idea of the frats and such at Carroll, but at this point all I have to say is who really cares? Life goes on. Being apart of a frat is not the only thing in life and just because Carroll suspended them, doesn't mean that the frat cannot exist without being apart of CU. Not to mention, finals are coming up wouldn't everyone's time be better spent preparing for finals?

Mr. Jones - Yes, it is true the Carroll Student Orgs Administrator is dating the founder of the Pi Lams at Carroll. It is now known that she promised them a house if they came to Carroll. The only house zoned and legal for fraternal living in Waukesha is the house in which the Betas currently reside - they do not own it, they pay rent to a private landlord. Add that up. If that's not a conflict of interest I don't know what is.

@Justin Jasniewski. Talk about stupidity - if the Betas are not recognized as a fraternity by Carroll, then they cannot legally live there. It is illegal in Waukesha for more than a few men or women who are not related to live together. So yes. The school has more than a say - they control who lives there.

@Think About It. It doesn't matter - The school's agenda is for the Betas to move out and the Pi Lams to move in. It may or may not be that the Betas can live their regardless of their status with CU, but "Think About It": If the Betas refuse to move, the school is never going to recognize them as an org. Then they will just be some rogue public fraternity. Obviously the Betas want to be recognized by the University and remain involved in campus activities. The only way for that to happen is if they move and let the Student Orgs Administrator's boyfriend's frat move in - unless people take action and expose the deceitful smoke and mirrors tactics the Administration is using. It breaks my heart that people who are supposed to work towards helping "enrich the life of the University and enhance the success" of students have such a selfish and impassioned agenda.

As a senior Greek Life member, I can not even express how upset I am over how the Beta's have been treated. Greek Life at Carroll has given me the best 4 years of my life, and I stand by Beta, as do so many other Greeks on campus. We have to stand by each other because our school certainly doesn't. Beta has always shown support for my sorority and all the other Greek orgs on campus, the men of Beta deserve the support they are not getting from Student Org's Office. Greek Life is about being bigger than ourselves, giving back and becoming a family. Over the past 4 years I have gotten to know so many wonderful Greek's in all of the orgs, not just my own. People need to stop looking at the past as fuel for their fire, and look to the future and realize that Beta (regardless if the claims are true or not) is growing and they are better than ever. All of Greek Life has the negative stigma's attached to it, so why does even jump at the bit to point to Beta, when ALL of the Greek Orgs are guilty of some of the stereotypes. I'll be the first one to admit we are not perfect, but neither is any other org on campus.Us Greek have to work against CENTURIES of allegations, stereotypes and stigma's that only help to shoot us when we are down.

Interesting how Carroll student and Anon Greek have silenced themselves after someone pointed out that they are probably Pi Lamb advisor and faculty...

So I was a football player and those who go to Carroll know the history between the frat and the team.....the fact that there are allegations against beta for rape is ridiculous.... I think all you haters against this frat should quit sniffing your own farts and get a life...and another thing for anyone saying negative comments....have you ever made a poor decision in your day? Probably

-BOX

Honestly thank you all for making assumptions of Beta's not finishing school in 4 years like your smart ass. Have you ever taken into consideration that they may have to drop out of school because of financial issues, or family issues. Next time before you start saying my brothers and myself take a few extra years to finish school you better think outside the box and realize other factors before you speak, it makes you look like an idiot. By the way I laugh at allegations of rape I have been at Carroll for 3 years and I have never seen any such activity, these accusations need to stop.

Wow...just read this and glanced through the comments. "Carroll Student" you obviously hold a grudge of some sort and have way too much time on your hands. I graduated in 2006 and never had a problem with the betas. Its kinda funny how tough people get behind a screen name making postings on a comment section of an article.

Anon Greek it seems to me you are a lone ranger. Please stop posting on here with a lack of intelligence, if you would like to chat this nonsense I would be more than happy to meet with you. Im quite interested what you would say to me in person.

Sincerely,
Zach Janczak

Oh yeah bc all the money all of the other greeks raie for there Philanthropy isnt good enough.

look, I know you guys don't like me but I'm really trying to get christine to have my babies and i don't have much going for me so if you could just give me the satisfaction of being right with no facts that would be great. My boys need a house and I'm really trying to look out for them. Pi lams for life!!

^bahahaha

Phi theta pi!